May 19, 20232 yr I Fing can’t wait until Ukraine is spamming AMRAAMs BVR. Shoot it into my veins, baby.
May 20, 20232 yr 3 hours ago, Bill said: I Fing can’t wait until Ukraine is spamming AMRAAMs BVR. Shoot it into my veins, baby. Spamming them at who? Has a Russian jet even flown anywhere near a major city in months over there?
May 20, 20232 yr 4 hours ago, we_gotta_believe said: Spamming them at who? Has a Russian jet even flown anywhere near a major city in months over there? No, neither side can really penetrate the other sides airspace. BUT the AIM-120 AMRAAM is a medium range A2A missile with a pretty decent distance. So UA could sit back in their own airspace and fire them off at Russians. It’s obviously a bit more complicated than that in a BVR engagement (and I’m not going to wax at length because there’s a subject matter expert on that here and I only stayed in a Holiday Inn Express), and the Russians have capabilities there as well, but in my opinion of dealing with skilled Ukrainians they are either better trained than Russians or have a higher ability to receive training. That mindset in better equipment and that’s one less thing to worry about.
May 20, 20232 yr 4 hours ago, Bill said: No, neither side can really penetrate the other sides airspace. BUT the AIM-120 AMRAAM is a medium range A2A missile with a pretty decent distance. So UA could sit back in their own airspace and fire them off at Russians. Ya I know what an aim-120 is, but again, what is even airborne for them to target? Russians haven't been flying sorties anywhere near ukie airspace (or at least anywhere within range of where an f-16 could take off from) so there's nothing really for them to take down.
May 20, 20232 yr 13 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: Ya I know what an aim-120 is, but again, what is even airborne for them to target? Russians haven't been flying sorties anywhere near ukie airspace (or at least anywhere within range of where an f-16 could take off from) so there's nothing really for them to take down. The glide bombs are launched from planes. Makes them hard for air defense to deal with.
May 20, 20232 yr 7 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: The glide bombs are launched from planes. Makes them hard for air defense to deal with. Aren't those being used over in Bakhmut though? Where's the nearest airfield that a falcon could deploy from?
May 20, 20232 yr 3 hours ago, we_gotta_believe said: Ya I know what an aim-120 is, but again, what is even airborne for them to target? Russians haven't been flying sorties anywhere near ukie airspace (or at least anywhere within range of where an f-16 could take off from) so there's nothing really for them to take down. The Russians are flying sorties to within a few thousand meters of the front line. 3 hours ago, we_gotta_believe said: Aren't those being used over in Bakhmut though? Where's the nearest airfield that a falcon could deploy from? They can fly further than a few miles, my dude.
May 20, 20232 yr 3 hours ago, we_gotta_believe said: Aren't those being used over in Bakhmut though? Where's the nearest airfield that a falcon could deploy from? I'm pretty sure a bunch launch from within Russia. The planes don't leave Russian airspace.
May 20, 20232 yr The sense here is sending F-16s to Ukraine concretizes something that’s probably obvious by now: the West isn’t going to let Russia have Ukraine and Ukraine will be joining NATO. These weapons aren’t being donated to Ukraine for free.
May 20, 20232 yr F-16s the latest wunderwaffe. You idiots will learn about real air defense. Get within range of any S-300 and it's toast. Get within range of any SU-57 and they'll never know what hit them.
May 20, 20232 yr Artyomovsk is fully liberated! For nine months the fascist Zelensky sent in tens of thousands of reinforcements to do nothing but delay the inevitable.
May 20, 20232 yr And this tool still lives in America anyway. Is he retarded or a coward? I assume it's a lot of both.
May 20, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, JohnSnowsHair said: I'm pretty sure a bunch launch from within Russia. The planes don't leave Russian airspace. No I meant which airfield could Ukraine deploy falcons from.
May 20, 20232 yr Are the Russians still advancing towards Moscow? In the end...Россия не может победить
May 20, 20232 yr 5 hours ago, we_gotta_believe said: No I meant which airfield could Ukraine deploy falcons from. Literally any.
May 21, 20232 yr 3 hours ago, Bill said: Literally any. That are long enough and in good enough shape to deploy falcons? I thought most were still in disrepair from the initial invasion.
May 21, 20232 yr 14 hours ago, JohnSnowsHair said: The glide bombs are launched from planes. Makes them hard for air defense to deal with. Cheaper to have F16s hunt down Russian missiles than to expend patriots… of course, F16s require trained pilots, mechanics, logistics, airfields that are safe from attack, etc.
May 21, 20232 yr On 5/18/2023 at 4:08 PM, Abracadabra said: M777, HIMARS and Patriot systems are hand me downs? Every weapons system the U.S. has sent over is eventually neutralized. HIMARS, for example, doesn't even make the news anymore. What happened? Russia was invited in by the Donbas. Killing 16,000 of your own civilian citizens has consequences. The Russians were forced to disburse their logistics/ammo dumps outside the range of HIMARs as they were easy targets… hence why the storm shadow missile has made an appearance this week to extend the UA reach.
May 21, 20232 yr 15 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said: Cheaper to have F16s hunt down Russian missiles than to expend patriots… of course, F16s require trained pilots, mechanics, logistics, airfields that are safe from attack, etc. Yeah this is a good point too, even if there are capable airfields, I'd imagine they'd immediately jump to the top of the list of targets for missile strikes. They were struggling with constant strikes against their power grid not that long ago, so I'd imagine it would be more of the same if/when they start staging falcons at an one.
May 21, 20232 yr 10 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: Yeah even if there are capable airfields, I'd imagine they'd immediately jump to the top of the list of targets for missile strikes. They were struggling with constant strikes against their power grid not that long ago, so I'd imagine it would be more of the same if/when they start staging falcons at an airfield. F16s require well kept airstrips as the air scoop under the chin is poorly positioned… sucks in debris and damages the engine. F18s would be better, as carrier aircraft are better suited for rough runways (e.g. highways) due to more robust landing gear and shorter takeoff requirements. I think only the Finns have them over there, so not nearly as ubiquitous as the export F16s.
May 21, 20232 yr 11 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said: F16s require well kept airstrips as the air scoop under the chin is poorly positioned… sucks in debris and damages the engine. F18s would be better, as carrier aircraft are better suited for rough runways (e.g. highways) due to more robust landing gear and shorter takeoff requirements. I think only the Finns have them over there, so not nearly as ubiquitous as the export F16s. Preaching to the choir, fam.
May 21, 20232 yr 12 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: Preaching to the choir, fam. The hornets we have left put on a lot of miles over the Middle East, despite this given Xi’s saber rattling I doubt the Navy/USMC/Aussies wants to give up any of its front line F18 strength until they are fully replaced by F35.
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