May 24, 20232 yr History lesson for vatniks that like revisionist theories. I continue my story about the beginning of the war in Donbas. As in the previous thread, I will first describe a brief overview of events in Ukraine as a whole, for a better understanding of the situation. In January 2014, the parliament of Ukraine, which was under the control of Yanukovych, adopted a number of laws that Ukrainians called dictatorial. These laws severely limited freedom of speech and freedom of peaceful protest. This was decided to finally introduce a dictatorship and try to destroy the protest movement. This outraged Ukrainian society and caused large-scale clashes with the police, which became more and more frequent. This led to the first dead protesters. Russian propaganda actively supported the Yanukovych regime, and Russia began to more actively finance the Ukrainian government with loans. Also, in order to put pressure on Ukrainian businessmen, Russia began to carefully check every Ukrainian product at its border on January 29, which in fact led to the blocking of imports. This and other factors caused more and more antipathy and indignation among the demonstrators towards Russia. The government began to actively involve sportsmen-"titushki" to defeat the attack on the protesters. Also, these athletes pretended to be protesters and committed pogroms in Kyiv to discredit the protests. Real protesters united in groups to oppose the "titushki" and protect Kyiv from pogroms. In the end, these confrontations ended with the defeat of the athletes in the center of Kyiv and a large-scale police attack on the protesters at the end of February. This confrontation lasted several days. On the first day, dozens of protesters and several policemen who started using firearms were killed. This caused a reaction in a number of regions, where opposition-minded citizens began storming the bodies of local councils and police stations where weapons were kept. The situation got out of control of the government. Yanukovych fled first from Kyiv, and then from Ukraine. He was scared because he understood the anger of the armed Ukrainians who were being killed by his policemen. The Parliament of Ukraine adopted a decision to remove Yanukovych from the post of President of Ukraine. 328 members of the current parliament voted for it. I would like to note that the mark of 300 votes of the parliament is called "constitutional majority" and gives the right to the parliament to change the constitution and vote to impeach the president. This is written in the constitution of Ukraine. But the Ukrainian laws do not clearly prescribe the procedure for impeachment of the president and his removal. This is exactly what Russian propaganda refers to when it talks about a "coup" and non-recognition of the Ukrainian government. But propagandists are silent about more than 300 votes (constitutional majority) of the active and recognized parliament. Already in May 2014, democratic elections for a new president were held in Ukraine. November 2013: Ukrainian protesters flood Kiev after president pulls out of EU deal January 2014: Yanukovich approves strict anti-protest laws
May 25, 20232 yr 5 hours ago, JohnSnowsHair said: Russia: "our economy is healthy. we have no shortage of workers." Also Russia: Got make sure those Ukrainian "orphans" earn their keep, I suppose.
May 25, 20232 yr Wagner Group boss, "Putin's butcher," says Russia at risk of losing Ukraine war and facing a "revolution" https://www.cbsnews.com/news/russia-wagner-group-prigozhin-putins-butcher-ukraine-war-russian-revolution/ Quote The man in charge of Russia's notorious Wagner Group private mercenary army, Yevgeny Prigozhin, has warned that Russia could face a "revolution" and lose its war in Ukraine unless the country's "elites" fully commit to the fight and put the country "into North Korea mode," with martial law imposed, to achieve results on the front lines. In a lengthy video interview with a pro-war, pro-Kremlin blogger, Prigozhin lashed out against Russia's Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu and his daughter Ksenia, a sports executive whose New Year wartime vacation in Dubai drew ire from the Russian public. Sucks to be Russian these days.
May 25, 20232 yr 36 minutes ago, Toastrel said: Wagner Group boss, "Putin's butcher," says Russia at risk of losing Ukraine war and facing a "revolution" https://www.cbsnews.com/news/russia-wagner-group-prigozhin-putins-butcher-ukraine-war-russian-revolution/ Sucks to be Russian these days. I was thinking who would want to fight for Putin citizenship… North Koreans! There goes that idea.
May 25, 20232 yr 25 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said: I was thinking who would want to fight for Putin citizenship… North Koreans! There goes that idea. Yeah, Russia would be a step up, for them.
May 26, 20232 yr Russia didn’t respond to Belgorod Oblast incursion because its special forces were killed in Ukraine Quote Over the past decade, Russia claimed to create large mobile groups that can be quickly deployed from one region of Russia to another, as needed. "In the end, it turned out that all this time, they had been preparing for a completely different war — for full-scale aggression against Ukraine, for a big war with large units," Preobrazhensky said. "The few special forces units that they used to have, they no longer do. They were destroyed at the beginning of the war … They destroyed, in fact, all their best units themselves."
May 26, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, Toastrel said: Russia didn’t respond to Belgorod Oblast incursion because its special forces were killed in Ukraine Yeah, but just wait until they deploy the special special forces
May 26, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, paco said: Yeah, but just wait until they deploy the special special forces They just used the old special forces, they are saving the good stuff.
May 26, 20232 yr Europe is effectively free of dependence on Russian energy, and now this: The invasion of Ukraine will go down as one of the biggest miscalculations in modern history. I still see Ukraine reclaiming Crimea and parts of Donbas though I think it may end with some of the land staying with Russia. Ultimately though Russia will be trading away Crimea and seeing NATO expanded (Finland + Sweden, with Ukraine joining after cessation of hostilities) for a sliver of Donbas and Luhansk. There are some rare earth materials there, not sure exactly, but where they land will be important as well. Russia clearly does not have the manpower or equipment to move the current lines back. The entire winter offensive by Russia was a complete bust, with only Bakhmut claimed after 9 mos of throwing bodies at it. 20k+ Russian and Wagner soldiers dead for a town that was strategically important in September but of marginal use after Ukraine's successful offensive end of summer/fall.
May 26, 20232 yr 52 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: The invasion of Ukraine will go down as one of the biggest miscalculations in modern history. I still see Ukraine reclaiming Crimea and parts of Donbas though I think it may end with some of the land staying with Russia. Ultimately though Russia will be trading away Crimea and seeing NATO expanded (Finland + Sweden, with Ukraine joining after cessation of hostilities) for a sliver of Donbas and Luhansk. There are some rare earth materials there, not sure exactly, but where they land will be important as well. Russia clearly does not have the manpower or equipment to move the current lines back. The entire winter offensive by Russia was a complete bust, with only Bakhmut claimed after 9 mos of throwing bodies at it. 20k+ Russian and Wagner soldiers dead for a town that was strategically important in September but of marginal use after Ukraine's successful offensive end of summer/fall. It wasn't a complete bust. We got to watch the propaganda machine putting out videos of Russian incels getting British chicks because they have electricity.
May 26, 20232 yr 3 hours ago, Toastrel said: Russia didn’t respond to Belgorod Oblast incursion because its special forces were killed in Ukraine Seems like an indication of the Russian manpower shortage - they want to attack and clear the Donbas and defend in the south with the tradeoff of a porous northern defense. The Belgorad raid was a necessary escalation by the UA to keep the Russian deployment honest.
May 26, 20232 yr 56 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: Europe is effectively free of dependence on Russian energy, and now this: Hopefully, the uncoupling from cheap gas will also shake the foolishness around nuclear power. The German green party pushing for coal fired plants was surreal while the French were keeping the lights on because of their nuclear energy policy.
May 26, 20232 yr 4 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said: Hopefully, the uncoupling from cheap gas will also shake the foolishness around nuclear power. The German green party pushing for coal fired plants was surreal while the French were keeping the lights on because of their nuclear energy policy. The greens really shot themselves in the foot in Germany. f***ing idiots.
May 26, 20232 yr 29 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: The greens really shot themselves in the foot in Germany. f***ing idiots. Yeah, well after the radioactive cloud from Chernobyl blew over them, they decided against nuclear power.
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