July 27, 20232 yr 4 hours ago, we_gotta_believe said: Lazy Eyes Mikhail gets super angry when anyone brings up how the US support of Ukraine has helped cause Putin's invasion to fail miserably. Likewise, he never once suggested or implied that Biden is to blame for Russia invading because "PuTiN nEvEr DiD tHiS wHeN TrUmP wAs PreSiDenT!" But he's clearly anti-Russia though! He has no idea where anyone would get the idea that he's supporting Putin. Look at this crying all because you idiots still cant pretzel your way through the logic where Putin didnt do jack isn during Trumps term. But has invasions on either side of his term. If you want to try the anti-logic explanations again, please do. It was amazing, like watching a failing law student try to argue a position they dont even believe in.
July 27, 20232 yr 4 hours ago, DEagle7 said: I'm particularly tickled by the "he's weak, I bet he hasn't even called Putin and asked him to pretty please stop" take Yeah leaders should never talk, we should engage in endless proxy wars until everyone is dead. Please more fire libertarian takes, this is amazing
July 27, 20232 yr 4 hours ago, Toastrel said: Afghanistan? How are the Taliban doing with the shiny new country Biden surrendered to them?
July 27, 20232 yr 6 minutes ago, Mike31mt said: Look at this crying all because you idiots still cant pretzel your way through the logic where Putin didnt do jack isn during Trumps term. But has invasions on either side of his term. If you want to try the anti-logic explanations again, please do. It was amazing, like watching a failing law student try to argue a position they dont even believe in. Wandering-eyed trumpbots: "Putin invaded because Biden is too weak!" Same wandering-eyed trumpbots: "Goddamn Joe Biden is spending too much in supporting Ukraine to stop Putin! He should just stay the F out of this proxy war!"
July 27, 20232 yr 4 hours ago, Alpha_TATEr said: wait, i got that wrong. didn't trump hint that he would send ukraine more assistance than the world had ever seen ? yep .... "And I had a good relationship, very good with both of them. I would tell Zelensky, no more. You got to make a deal. I would tell Putin, if you don't make a deal, we're going to give him a lot. We're going to [give Ukraine] more than they ever got if we have to. I will have the deal done in one day. One day," he said. so, his plan, would be to send more money, weapons & intelligence than ever before. wow, is that what competent leadership would do ? completely different from what the current administration is doing. one mutha F'ng day yo !!!!!! Obama: Russia invades Ukraine Trump: Biden: Putin invades Ukraine Morons: Trump loves Ukraine, I know the entire Russia conspiracy theory was totally debunked but I still believe! And it makes total sense (somehow) for Putin not to invade with a friendly POTUS!
July 27, 20232 yr 6 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: Wandering-eyed trumpbots: "Putin invaded because Biden is too weak!" Same wandering-eyed trumpbots: "Goddamn Joe Biden is spending too much in supporting Ukraine to stop Putin! He should just stay the F out of this proxy war!" Yeah sending arseloads of our taxpayer dollars to a proxy war is the symbol of strength. More anti-logic from the man whose brain was utterly ravaged by TDS so much that the former libertarian is now an obsessive ishlib poster.
July 27, 20232 yr Just now, Mike31mt said: Yeah sending arseloads of our taxpayer dollars to a proxy war is the symbol of strength. More anti-logic from the man whose brain was utterly ravaged by TDS so much that the former libertarian is now an obsessive ishlib poster. Right because sending our troops is much better. I retract my statement, you've changed my mind with this bullet proof logic.
July 27, 20232 yr 24 minutes ago, vikas83 said: Biden calling Putin would be just about the dumbest idea possible. Putin would immediately leak the call and claim that the west was abandoning Ukraine. He'd also claim this is evidence that the war has really been with NATO all along. You'd be playing completely into his hands while undermining Zelensky, all with no chance of resolving squat. You'd embolden Putin and allow him to rally support domestically. The only thing to do would be to offer to host and mediate a peace conference between Putin and Zelensky, but zero chance Putin would show to a meeting mediated by the US. We all know Biden couldnt actually make the call himself because he doesn't know what year it is and cant make rational decisions on his own. But they could definitely talk and none of your alarmism makes sense when theyre literally already bombing the ish out of Ukraine. Putin leaking the call wouldn't mean jack squat. It literally never hurts when two world leaders engage in dialogue, especially when theres a freaking war going on. Biden could simply report the nature of the call himself. Its not that difficult. You all are making this over complicated, and seriously how in the hell would this embolden Putin even more?? What would he do, invade harder? Bomb more bombier?
July 27, 20232 yr 4 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: Right because sending our troops is much better. I retract my statement, you've changed my mind with this bullet proof logic. I never said risking our troops.
July 27, 20232 yr Yeah. FDR should have called Hitler to negotiate peace on behalf of Churchill too. No idea why I bother.
July 27, 20232 yr 1 minute ago, vikas83 said: Yeah. FDR should have called Hitler to negotiate peace on behalf of Churchill too. No idea why I bother. Nice, #1 EMB cliche, you automatically win! I didnt realize we were engaged in a direct war with Russia, other than that, its a perfect analogy. Its cool though, maybe Lukashenko can bail us out. Or China? Nah F it, bombs away, perma-war baby, you gotta love it!
July 27, 20232 yr Just now, Mike31mt said: Nice, #1 EMB cliche, you automatically win! I didnt realize we were engaged in a direct war with Russia, other than that, its a perfect analogy. Its cool though, maybe Lukashenko can bail us out. Or China? Nah F it, bombs away, perma-war baby, you gotta love it! Dear Moron, We weren't at war with Germany in 1940 when the Battle of Britain was happening. Please learn history.
July 27, 20232 yr 1 minute ago, vikas83 said: Dear Moron, We weren't at war with Germany in 1940 when the Battle of Britain was happening. Please learn history. Lol ooohh ok, so youre going to casually re-frame that statement, huh? FDR did communicate to Hitler prior to the US' involvement in WW2. Did you know that?
July 27, 20232 yr https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/hitlers-reply-the-presidents-message-the-threat-war Learn history, vikas! Its almost like world leaders should try diplomatic approaches rather than napping all day and blowing through taxpayer dollars.
July 27, 20232 yr Just now, Mike31mt said: Lol ooohh ok, so yours going to casually re-frame that statement, huh? FDR did communicate to Hitler prior to the US' involvement in WW2. Did you know that? He contacted him before WW2 asking him not to start a war. This happened BEFORE the war started with the invasion of Poland and the declaration of war by the UK and France on 9/1/39. What he didn't do was try to negotiate peace on behalf of the UK without involving Churchill after they were at war and being bombed.
July 27, 20232 yr Just now, Mike31mt said: https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/hitlers-reply-the-presidents-message-the-threat-war Learn history, vikas! Its almost like world leaders should try diplomatic approaches rather than napping all day and blowing through taxpayer dollars. You are too stupid for words. Look above.
July 27, 20232 yr 1 minute ago, vikas83 said: He contacted him before WW2 asking him not to start a war. This happened BEFORE the war started with the invasion of Poland and the declaration of war by the UK and France on 9/1/39. What he didn't do was try to negotiate peace on behalf of the UK without involving Churchill after they were at war and being bombed. The timing is trivial here considering the US was not yet engaged in any conflict and there are about 80 other variables with this strained analogy. The point is that leaders can engage in discussions, and using the potential of Russian propaganda (considering its all they ever do anyway) or further emboldening Putin (how much bolder, nukes?) is laughable fear-mongering.
July 27, 20232 yr 1 minute ago, VanHammersly said: It's always satisfying to read Mike get his ass handed to him. Yeah let me know when that happens. You all d ride vikas so bad its embarrassing. Try again
July 27, 20232 yr You guys remember when Biden had to beg the Taliban to let us evacuate from the airport we just abandoned? That was cool. Why would Biden engage in those talks?
July 27, 20232 yr 17 minutes ago, Mike31mt said: I never said risking our troops. So Putin invaded because Biden is too weak, and to show strength, Biden shouldn't risk our troops or support Ukraine but to sit idle to avoid getting into a proxy war and instead watch from the sidelines as Putin attempts to annex an entire country, because that's the real way to show strength. Makes perfect sense now, thanks for clarifying Mikhail.
July 27, 20232 yr 1 minute ago, Mike31mt said: You guys remember when Biden had to beg the Taliban to let us evacuate from the airport we just abandoned? That was cool. Why would Biden engage in those talks? so, let me ask you. out of all of the 2024 candidates known to date, who do you think has the best plan for how the US should handle this conflict ?
July 27, 20232 yr 2 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: So Putin invaded because Biden is too weak, and to show strength, Biden shouldn't risk our troops or support Ukraine but to sit idle to avoid getting into a proxy war and instead watch from the sidelines as Putin attempts to annex an entire country, because that's the real way to show strength. Makes perfect sense now, thanks for clarifying Mikhail. Just say the thing again about Putin not invading during Trumps term because Trump was so Russia-friendly and NATO or whatever
July 27, 20232 yr Just now, Alpha_TATEr said: so, let me ask you. out of all of the 2024 candidates known to date, who do you think has the best plan for how the US should handle this conflict ? You keep asking me questions like this, youre posing a false dichotomy. Who gives a F right now when A. I don't think anyone has a full breakdown on every candidates position on the matter (including most of the candidates themselves) and B. Its going to be more than a year before any of them even have any such authority? Unless, of course, this is your way of saying that you think the war will still be raging even after Bidens term, and his successor will have to clean all of this up....in which case Im inclined to agree with you
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