August 16, 20232 yr 25 minutes ago, Talkingbirds said: Still killing commies though. russians love to admire real military equipment and weapons. Afterall, they cant find any made in their own country.
August 16, 20232 yr 2 hours ago, Alpha_TATEr said: russians love to admire real military equipment and weapons. Afterall, they cant find any made in their own country. Even during the height of the Soviet Union it was like that. They made the Mig-25, an interceptor aircraft, and lied about its specs and the numbers they had. (When they did air shows they would have the same aircraft fly over the crowds from different directions to give the illusion that they had more). So in turn the US developed the F-15. In the Cold War, arms development went something like this: 1. USSR gets freaked out by US capabilities. 2. USSR builds new weapon. 3. USSR lies about it. 4. US gets freaked out by USSR capabilities. 5. US builds incomprehensible super weapon. 6. Repeat from step 1.
August 16, 20232 yr 3 hours ago, Alpha_TATEr said: russians love to admire real military equipment and weapons. Afterall, they cant find any made in their own country. The old Soviet stuff is out-performing the "modern" NATO junk. The Not-zzz don't even want to touch the Bradley because they say it's a death trap.
August 18, 20232 yr U.S. intelligence says Ukraine will fail to meet offensive’s key goal Quote The U.S. intelligence community assesses that Ukraine’s counteroffensive will fail to reach the key southeastern city of Melitopol, people familiar with the classified forecast told The Washington Post, a finding that, should it prove correct, would mean Kyiv won’t fulfill its principal objective of severing Russia’s land bridge to Crimea in this year’s push. Sign up for Fact Checker, our weekly review of what's true, false or in-between in politics. The grim assessment is based on Russia’s brutal proficiency in defending occupied territory through a phalanx of minefields and trenches, and is likely to prompt finger pointing inside Kyiv and Western capitals about why a counteroffensive that saw tens of billions of dollars of Western weapons and military equipment fell short of its goals. Ukraine’s forces, which are pushing toward Melitopol from the town of Robotyne more than 50 miles away, will remain several miles outside of the city, U.S. officials said. U.S., Western and Ukrainian government officials interviewed for this report spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive military operations. The Office of the Director of National Intelligence declined to comment. Melitopol is critical to Ukraine’s counteroffensive because it is considered the gateway to Crimea. The city is at the intersection of two important highways and a railroad line that allow Russia to move military personnel and equipment from the peninsula to other occupied territories in southern Ukraine. Ukraine launched the counteroffensive in early June hoping to replicate its stunning success in last fall’s push through the Kharkiv region. But in the first week of fighting, Ukraine incurred major casualties against Russia’s well-prepared defenses despite having a range of newly acquired Western equipment, including U.S. Bradley Fighting Vehicles, German-made Leopard 2 tanks and specialized mine-clearing vehicles. Joint war games conducted by the U.S., British and Ukrainian militaries anticipated such losses but envisioned Kyiv accepting the casualties as the cost of piercing through Russia’s main defensive line, said U.S. and Western officials. But Ukraine chose to stem the losses on the battlefield and switch to a tactic of relying on smaller units to push forward across different areas of the front. That resulted in Ukraine making incremental gains in different pockets over the summer. Kyiv has recently dedicated more reserves to the front, including Stryker and Challenger units, but has yet to break through Russia’s main defensive line. The path to Melitopol is an extremely challenging one, and even recapturing closer cities such as Tokmak will be difficult, said Rob Lee, a military analyst with the Foreign Policy Research Institute. "Russia has three main defensive lines there and then fortified cities after that,” he said. "It’s not just a question about whether Ukraine can breach one or two of them, but can they breach all three and have enough forces available after taking attrition to achieve something more significant like taking Tokmak or something beyond that.” The bleak outlook, briefed to some Republicans and Democrats on Capitol Hill, has already prompted a blame game inside closed-door meetings. Some Republicans are now balking at President Biden’s request for an additional $20.6 billion in Ukraine aid given the offensive’s modest results. Other Republicans and, to a lesser extent, hawkish Democrats have faulted the administration for not sending more powerful weapons to Ukraine sooner. U.S. officials reject criticisms that F-16 fighter jets or longer-range missile systems such as ATACMS would have resulted in a different outcome. "The problem remains piercing Russia’s main defensive line, and there’s no evidence these systems would’ve been a panacea,” a senior administration official said. In an interview this week, Gen. Mark A. Milley, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said the United States has been clear about the difficult task facing Ukraine. "I had said a couple of months ago that this offensive was going to be long, it’s going to be bloody it’s going to be slow,” he told The Post. "And that’s exactly what it is: long, bloody and slow, and it’s a very, very difficult fight.” Share this article Share While not achieving its objectives, he noted Kyiv’s success in degrading Russian forces. "The Russians are in pretty rough shape,” he said. "They’ve suffered a huge amount of casualties. Their morale is not great.” U.S. officials said the Pentagon recommended multiple times that Ukraine concentrate a large mass of forces on a single breakthrough point. Though Ukraine opted for a different strategy, officials said it was Kyiv’s call to make given the profound sacrifice Ukrainian troops were making on the battlefield. A Ukrainian soldier who lost his hand a year ago in combat holds his weapon outside Bakhmut on Tuesday. (Libkos/AP) Ukrainian Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba on Thursday acknowledged the slow pace of Ukraine’s counteroffensive but said Kyiv would not stop fighting until all its land is retaken. "We don’t care how long it takes,” he told the news agency Agence France-Presse. He encouraged critics of the offensive to "go and join the foreign legion” if they wanted faster results. "It’s easy to say that you want everything to be faster when you are not there,” he said. Ukrainian officials have said privately that timing depends on how quickly forces can penetrate the minefields — a difficult process that has strained the military’s mine-clearing resources across a wide swath of territory. Analysts say the challenges Ukraine has faced are multifaceted, but nearly all agree that Russia surpassed expectations when it comes to its proficiency in defending occupied territory. "The most deterministic factor of how this offensive has gone thus far is the quality of Russian defenses,” said Lee, noting Russia’s use of trenches, mines and aviation. "They had a lot of time and they prepared them very well … and made it very difficult for Ukraine to advance.” White House: War in Ukraine is ‘unpredictable’ 0:56 White House national security advisor Jake Sullivan responded to reports on Ukraine's counteroffensive on Aug. 18. (Video: The Washington Post) Questions have also been raised about how Ukraine committed its forces and in which areas. The Ukrainians have for months poured tremendous resources into Bakhmut, including soldiers, ammunition and time, but they have lost control of the city and have made only modest gains in capturing territory around it. And while the close-in, trench-line fighting is different in Bakhmut from the problem of mines in the south, the focus has left some in the Biden administration concerned that overcommitting in the east may have eroded the potency of the counteroffensive in the south. The new intelligence assessment aligns with a secret U.S. forecast from February indicating that shortfalls in equipment and force strength may mean that the counteroffensive will fall "well short” of Ukraine’s goal to sever the land bridge to Crimea by August. The assessment, detailed in a classified document leaked onto the social media app Discord, identified Melitopol or Mariupol as the objectives "to deny Russian overland access to Crimea.” U.S. officials said Washington was still open to Kyiv surprising skeptics and overcoming the odds. One defense official said it is possible that Ukraine could buck historical norms and continue the counteroffensive through the winter, when everything including keeping soldiers warm and stocked with food and ammunition becomes much more difficult. But that would rely on several important factors, such as the amount of rest troops need after a hard fighting season. It would also depend on how much specialized equipment and cold-weather clothing they have on hand, the defense official said. But Moscow may also outperform during winter military operations. "Russians are known to be capable of fighting in cold weather,” the official said. Permission granted: You may now take your head out of your ass.
August 18, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, Abracadabra said: The COVN intelligence community assesses that Ukraine’s counteroffensive will reach the key southeastern city of Melitopol, people familiar with the classified forecast told The Eagles Message Board, a finding that, should it prove correct, would mean ABRA will once again bend over for Putin’s tiny little manhood. FYP
August 20, 20232 yr On Saturday, Russia’s state news agency TASS had reported that the Luna-25 faced an "abnormal situation” during a maneuver to enter a pre-landing orbit and lost contact with its handlers at about 2:57 p.m. Moscow time on Saturday. "The Luna-25 spacecraft switched to an off-design orbit and ceased to exist as a result of a collision with the surface of the moon,” Russia’s space agency, Roscosmos, told TASS. _______________ Their space program is better than the military. They didn't go to launch only to find the engines were replaced by cardboard cutout versions.
August 21, 20232 yr 11 minutes ago, Procus said: Posted by a Ukrainian friend on social media: The first 95% of that isn't news, right? You knew lots of people are dying there. And the remaining 5%...the "hot take"... includes the word "probably". So what part of this is new and newsworthy for you? Some guy thinks that "probably" Ukrainians are dying 10 to 1?
August 21, 20232 yr 23 minutes ago, Lloyd said: The first 95% of that isn't news, right? You knew lots of people are dying there. And the remaining 5%...the "hot take"... includes the word "probably". So what part of this is new and newsworthy for you? Some guy thinks that "probably" Ukrainians are dying 10 to 1? Have no idea. Saw it and shared. Take it for what it is worth. I doubt any of us are getting an accurate or complete picture of what is really going on over there.
August 21, 20232 yr 50 minutes ago, Procus said: Posted by a Ukrainian friend on social media: It's false. American officials stated: Russia’s military casualties, the officials said, are approaching 300,000. The number includes as many as 120,000 deaths and 170,000 to 180,000 injured troops. The Russian numbers dwarf the Ukrainian figures, which the officials put at close to 70,000 killed and 100,000 to 120,000 wounded. Keep sharing lies with zero desire or interest in sourcing what you're passing on or determining the truthfulness. Then pretend you're not choosing to live in an alternate reality insulated from facts. Tell your "Ukrainian" friend casualties are not deaths.
August 21, 20232 yr 2 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: It's false. American officials stated: Russia’s military casualties, the officials said, are approaching 300,000. The number includes as many as 120,000 deaths and 170,000 to 180,000 injured troops. The Russian numbers dwarf the Ukrainian figures, which the officials put at close to 70,000 killed and 100,000 to 120,000 wounded. Keep sharing lies with zero desire or interest in sourcing what you're passing on or determining the truthfulness. Then pretend you're not choosing to live in an alternate reality insulated from facts. Tell your "Ukrainian" friend casualties are not deaths. WTF is your problem. Are your brains stuck up your butt? Don't get butthurt because your game of toy soldiers may not be going as well as you expected. Seriously, reading your posts on this thread, you're acting like a child rooting for a football team. It's pretty clear that the West bungled this from day one - first by being such stumblebums on the world stage that Putin was willing to risk an invasion that he never would have tried while Trump was in office, and then by throwing billions of dollars down the drain into that corrupt craphole of a country.
August 21, 20232 yr 1 minute ago, Procus said: WTF is your problem. Are your brains stuck up your butt? Don't get butthurt because your game of toy soldiers may not be going as well as you expected. Seriously, reading your posts on this thread, you're acting like a child rooting for a football team. It's pretty clear that the West bungled this from day one - first by being such stumblebums on the world stage that Putin was willing to risk an invasion that he never would have tried while Trump was in office, and then by throwing billions of dollars down the drain into that corrupt craphole of a country.
August 21, 20232 yr 8 minutes ago, Procus said: WTF is your problem. Are your brains stuck up your butt? Don't get butthurt because your game of toy soldiers may not be going as well as you expected. Seriously, reading your posts on this thread, you're acting like a child rooting for a football team. It's pretty clear that the West bungled this from day one - first by being such stumblebums on the world stage that Putin was willing to risk an invasion that he never would have tried while Trump was in office, and then by throwing billions of dollars down the drain into that corrupt craphole of a country. John Snow: most of the deaths in Ukraine are from the fascist invaders, not the people fighting for their freedom. You: You’re a F’ing freak, old man. Seek help.
August 21, 20232 yr 8 minutes ago, Procus said: WTF is your problem. Are your brains stuck up your butt? Don't get butthurt because your game of toy soldiers may not be going as well as you expected. Seriously, reading your posts on this thread, you're acting like a child rooting for a football team. It's pretty clear that the West bungled this from day one - first by being such stumblebums on the world stage that Putin was willing to risk an invasion that he never would have tried while Trump was in office, and then by throwing billions of dollars down the drain into that corrupt craphole of a country. I'm not butthurt. I'm fact checking because you're too lazy to do so. Not to mention that fact checking is kryptonite to "not Trump supporters". It's hilarious you still believe this ridiculous notion that Trump would have somehow prevented Putin's invasion due to "strength". Go away boomer. You idiots have bungled the nation long enough.
August 21, 20232 yr 3 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: I'm not butthurt. I'm fact checking because you're too lazy to do so. Not to mention that fact checking is kryptonite to "not Trump supporters". It's hilarious you still believe this ridiculous notion that Trump would have somehow prevented Putin's invasion due to "strength". Go away boomer. You idiots have bungled the nation long enough. "Fact check" followed by a Boomer reference as a lame attempt to discredit
August 21, 20232 yr 12 minutes ago, Procus said: "Fact check" followed by a Boomer reference as a lame attempt to discredit Trust me, I don't need to call you names to discredit you. You do most of the work.
August 21, 20232 yr 11 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: Trust me, I don't need to call you names to discredit you. You do most of the work. Riggghhtt. The kooks who dominate CVON are just known for their accuracy, truthfulness and reliability.
August 21, 20232 yr 5 hours ago, Procus said: Riggghhtt. The kooks who dominate CVON are just known for their accuracy, truthfulness and reliability. Exhibit A of being out of touch
August 21, 20232 yr 6 hours ago, Procus said: Riggghhtt. The kooks who dominate CVON are just known for their accuracy, truthfulness and reliability. Meanwhile, you are known a crackpot with little attachment to reality, and the mental acuity of koala.
August 21, 20232 yr 8 hours ago, Procus said: WTF is your problem. Are your brains stuck up your butt? Don't get butthurt because your game of toy soldiers may not be going as well as you expected. Seriously, reading your posts on this thread, you're acting like a child rooting for a football team. It's pretty clear that the West bungled this from day one - first by being such stumblebums on the world stage that Putin was willing to risk an invasion that he never would have tried while Trump was in office, and then by throwing billions of dollars down the drain into that corrupt craphole of a country. Yeah Trump said so himself... Quote "I was the apple of his eye,” the former president said in an interview with Fox Business aired Friday. "Putin would have never gone into Ukraine, but that was just on my relationship with him, my personality over his,” And he explained it just as well as you did. Policy? No. Ideas? No. Just random, lazy, unintelligent "because I said so" statements.
August 21, 20232 yr In an artillery war, the side with overwhelming superiority in both numbers and range of guns, total control of the skies with dozens of sorties every day, long range missiles which strike rear positions of the enemy with impunity, the side which has been fighting from a defensive position behind complex, layered fortifications, is the side with the most casualties. This is why the west is bound to lose. Trapped in the warped logic of their own propaganda, they cannot come to terms with the stark reality of an impending defeat. Instead, they double down on magical thinking hoping for a miracle. The muggles eat it up.
August 21, 20232 yr The cultist, despite all the evidence, believe Trump is strong, and 'feared' by people who write him love letters, beautiful letters, and dictators who find him the apple of their eye. This is the logic of a fruit bat.
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