August 30, 20232 yr 6 hours ago, Abracadabra said: It's highly unlikely that 20 drones overflew Belarus unnoticed. It's equally doubtful that an operation like this could have originated inside Russia. The drones came either from the Baltic sea, Estonia, Latvia or some combination of the three. Either way, this is direct NATO country involvment in the war. Was it done with or without approval from NATO? Even though Putin is trying to avoid direct conflict with NATO, he can't let this go without a forceful response. Moscow has yet to give an official statement. This suggests they're trying to find a face-saving response that doesn't involve escalating to WWIII. Most of Russia's air defense is around Moscow, where many drone attacks recently had been concentrated. Ukraine has employed radar resistant (basically stealth) cardboard and fiber drones. Often from within Russia, because Russia's border is porous and Ukrainians can readily pass for Russians. They also have a drone with a range of 1000km and a 75kg payload. Ukraine can, and did, hit Pskov from Ukraine flying only over Russian territory. Cope harder loser.
August 30, 20232 yr 6 hours ago, JohnSnowsHair said: There's a military group hanging out in Belarus whose leader was just buried after being killed by Russia. Just saying. Wagner launching these from within Belarus would be pretty ballsy. Would also beg the question on who supplied them. Any word on the type of drone yet?
August 30, 20232 yr 6 hours ago, JohnSnowsHair said: Ukraine can, and did, hit Pskov from Ukraine flying only over Russian territory. Cope harder loser. Yeah this I can buy depending on the drones used, but the theory that these were all launched from within Belarus or Russia itself is a bit of a stretch.
August 30, 20232 yr 3 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: Wagner launching these from within Belarus would be pretty ballsy. Would also beg the question on who supplied them. Any word on the type of drone yet? based on speculation, there's two theories. it's believed that the ones that they've been hitting military sites deeper inside Russia are launched closer to the sites. these would likely be the cardboard/fiber ones that are light and have limited range, but are stealthy and can carry decent payloads. this is what they think hit St Petersburg last month and probably Pskov. which means Ukraine has forces operating inside Russia and/or they're working with partisans. the alternate theory, and I think this is harder but not impossible, is that Ukraine's claim of having a drone with a 1000km range and 75kg payload is true. it would be a big difficult to believe that a drone could make it all the way from Ukraine to Pskov without alerting anybody, but given that the attacks were at night visuals would be harder and if they can fly low enough with a low profile it's not impossible they could get through. I say all this completely as a layman on this stuff, so I absolutely could be way off. but that's the theories I'm seeing.
August 30, 20232 yr 3 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: Yeah this I can buy depending on the drones used, but the theory that these were all launched from within Belarus or Russia itself is a bit of a stretch. I actually think having people on the ground launching these within Russia is more likely. Russia's national guard is spread very thin, it really wouldn't be that difficult for Ukrainians to pass themselves off as Russians and be able to operate in the less populated areas of Russia.
August 30, 20232 yr 11 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: I actually think having people on the ground launching these within Russia is more likely. Russia's national guard is spread very thin, it really wouldn't be that difficult for Ukrainians to pass themselves off as Russians and be able to operate in the less populated areas of Russia. Would take a decent payload per drone to collectively cause that kind of damage to an airfield though. That's quite the risk to operate within Russia's borders with any explosive(s) capable of taking out bombers and cargo planes. I don't doubt border security is porous, but it's a death sentence if they get caught.
August 30, 20232 yr 7 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: Would take a decent payload per drone to collectively cause that kind of damage to an airfield though. That's quite the risk to operate within Russia's borders with any explosive(s) capable of taking out bombers and cargo planes. I don't doubt border security is porous, but it's a death sentence if they get caught. Ukrainians are people you don't want to cross, they're willing to put their lives on the line for their country in a mad way. I think when it comes to the smaller cardboard & fiber drones they're launching a significant number of them. I would love to believe Ukraine has a 1000km drone that can hit all these staging areas within Russia, I just find that a bit more difficult to believe than a bunch of crazy Ukrainians driving around in a handful of SUVs with parts of drones that they assemble and launch en masse near these sites. There's a lot of rural areas just off the highways near these sites.
August 30, 20232 yr 5 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: Ukrainians are people you don't want to cross, they're willing to put their lives on the line for their country in a mad way. I think when it comes to the smaller cardboard & fiber drones they're launching a significant number of them. I would love to believe Ukraine has a 1000km drone that can hit all these staging areas within Russia, I just find that a bit more difficult to believe than a bunch of crazy Ukrainians driving around in a handful of SUVs with parts of drones that they assemble and launch en masse near these sites. There's a lot of rural areas just off the highways near these sites. The risk for those operating these within Russia would still scale though, whether it's a bunch of people with smaller single payloads, or fewer people with multiple payloads, it's instant torture and death if caught. Possible I suppose given the desperate nature of their situation but would be interesting to hear more details either way. This was an article from Forbes back in May on the types of drones that were used back then. https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidhambling/2023/05/30/ukraine-has-a-growing-arsenal-of-drones-able-to-hit-moscow/?sh=22a8f8f940f6
August 30, 20232 yr i can't wait for the posts from Abra where he brags about how retreats and attacks within russian borders was all part of part of the plan. face it, your Dallas of a country is being exposed as the neanderthal ghetto that it is.
August 30, 20232 yr BRICS is so tight that China is claiming Russian territory while it gets its ass kicked by Ukraine.
August 30, 20232 yr 9 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: BRICS is so tight that China is claiming Russian territory while it gets its ass kicked by Ukraine. The vultures are already circling. They can see the writing on the wall.
August 30, 20232 yr 43 minutes ago, Alpha_TATEr said: i can't wait for the posts from Abra, Lynched, and Procus where he brags about how retreats and attacks within russian borders was all part of part of the plan. face it, your Dallas of a country is being exposed as the neaderthal ghetto that it is. Edited to add the other pro-Russia posters.
August 30, 20232 yr Author Welp Hundreds of Russian soldiers are going AWOL and refusing to fight as morale plummets, UK intelligence says Almost 100 Russian soldiers are convicted every week for refusing to fight in Ukraine, UK intelligence said Wednesday, part of a broader manpower crisis in the Russian military. British officials were passing on figures reported by Mediazona, an independent Russian news outlet. The UK Ministry of Defence said "the high rate of convictions demonstrates the poor state of morale in the Russian Army and the reluctance of some elements to fight." It pointed to a wider struggle for Russia https://www.businessinsider.com/hundreds-russian-soldiers-awol-refusing-fight-uk-intel-2023-8?utm_source=reddit.com
August 30, 20232 yr 17 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said: Welp Hundreds of Russian soldiers are going AWOL and refusing to fight as morale plummets, UK intelligence says Almost 100 Russian soldiers are convicted every week for refusing to fight in Ukraine, UK intelligence said Wednesday, part of a broader manpower crisis in the Russian military. British officials were passing on figures reported by Mediazona, an independent Russian news outlet. The UK Ministry of Defence said "the high rate of convictions demonstrates the poor state of morale in the Russian Army and the reluctance of some elements to fight." It pointed to a wider struggle for Russia https://www.businessinsider.com/hundreds-russian-soldiers-awol-refusing-fight-uk-intel-2023-8?utm_source=reddit.com @Abracadabra Sounds like some job openings. We could probably crowdsource you the $ for a one-way ticket from EMB members.
August 30, 20232 yr 10 minutes ago, Next_Up said: @Abracadabra Sounds like some job openings. We could probably crowdsource you the $ for a one-way ticket from EMB members. Hell I'd buy his ticket and drive him to the airport.
August 30, 20232 yr 2 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: Hell I'd buy his ticket and drive him to the airport.
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