10 minutes ago, Alpha_TATEr said:

we could use the funds to build the wall !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Isnt Biden doing that now?

You wanna start up a Build That Wall chant?

5 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

Sell them instead of giving them away, use that money to feed and house homeless veterans

Hell, why not maximize the value and sell to whoever is the highest bidder, amirite?

 

or....

 

Select option A, and increase the intrinsic value beyond what you can get from an imaginary global auction.

23 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

People like me, who merely would like to hold my fed govt accountable for where my tax dollars go?

Funny you had no problem when it went to yachts for billionaires under the previous regime. 

27 minutes ago, Next_Up said:

Halliburton is a defense logistics company. We actually have to be at war supporting troops on the ground for them to make money. What’s going on with assets going to Ukraine supports actual arms manufacturers. Just helping you out in advance of the next idea you parrot as if you know something. 

Lol "we have to be at war"....is that why youre so excited about this?  Ive never seen a bigger cheerleader for the military industrial complex.  

Im assuming at this point you work for one of them

9 minutes ago, Gannan said:

Funny you had no problem when it went to yachts for billionaires under the previous regime. 

.....what?

You know what nevermind

3 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

Lol "we have to be at war"....is that why youre so excited about this?  Ive never seen a bigger cheerleader for the military industrial complex.  

Im assuming at this point you work for one of them

Mike:  I've never seen a bigger cheerleader for the military industrial complex!

Also Mike:  We should become the worlds largest arms dealer and maximize the value of our weapons!

23 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

Isnt Biden doing that now?

You wanna start up a Build That Wall chant?

let me ask you, where would you like to see the funds go to ? in particular. what program ? 

3 minutes ago, paco said:

Mike:  I've never seen a bigger cheerleader for the military industrial complex!

Also Mike:  We should become the worlds largest arms dealer and maximize the value of our weapons!

Pretty intellectually dishonest

Youre literally talking about giving weapons away, Im merely saying to get our value back from them.   Its maximizing the value of our tax dollars, not the weapons.  Thats what a sane and functional government would do.

But whatever makes you feel better about yourself 

2 minutes ago, Alpha_TATEr said:

let me ask you, where would you like to see the funds go to ? in particular. what program ? 

Literally anything, even the social security ponzi scheme would be preferable 

14 minutes ago, paco said:

Hell, why not maximize the value and sell to whoever is the highest bidder, amirite?

 

or....

 

Select option A, and increase the intrinsic value beyond what you can get from an imaginary global auction.

I love that in Mike's mind either:

A) a bunch of charitable organizations are lining up to purchase 30 year old weapons in bulk

B) selling billions of dollars worth of weapons to warlords (ya know, the people who would actually buy those weapons) is somehow the morally superior option here

2 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

I love that in Mike's mind either:

A) a bunch of charitable organizations are lining up to purchase 30 year old weapons in bulk

B) selling billions of dollars worth of weapons to warlords (ya know, the people who would actually buy those weapons) is somehow the morally superior option here

Warlord??

Is that our only options--give them to Ukraine or sell them to a "war lord?". Or is that a false dichotomy based on your small brain?

There are other countries that could purchase and use them, just like Ukraine is going to do.  

5 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

I love that in Mike's mind either:

A) a bunch of charitable organizations are lining up to purchase 30 year old weapons in bulk

B) selling billions of dollars worth of weapons to warlords (ya know, the people who would actually buy those weapons) is somehow the morally superior option here

And that somehow, those 30 year old weapons are worth more $$$ sold than actually being applied to cripling a belligerent.  

18 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

.....what?

Exactly. You know nothing other than what right wing randos on twitter and fox news tell you to think. 

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Putin says traces of explosive were discovered in remains of people on Prigozhin's plane

Explosive traces were discovered in the remains of those killed when the plane carrying Wagner chief Yevgeny Prigozhin crashed in August, Russian President Vladimir Putin said Thursday.

The country's Investigative Committee "reported a few days ago that the fragments of hand grenades were found in the bodies of the victims," Putin said.

"There was no external influence on the plane it is an established fact," the Russian leader claimed.

Putin added that the investigation into the crash is still ongoing.

11 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

Warlord??

Is that our only options--give them to Ukraine or sell them to a "war lord?". Or is that a false dichotomy based on your small brain?

There are other countries that could purchase and use them, just like Ukraine is going to do.  

Help me and my small brain out then, name a country that is 1) fighting a war 2) needs bulk outdated weapons 3) is a US ally 4) is fighting a US enemy 5) isn't commiting war crimes against their own people 6) isn't commiting war crimes against other people. 

I can think of one...

33 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

Literally anything, even the social security ponzi scheme would be preferable 

so give more money to those who are too lazy to do for themselves ? i thought you weren't a dem ? 

27 minutes ago, Gannan said:

Exactly. You know nothing other than what right wing randos on twitter and fox news tell you to think. 

Sure sure, literally never watch/read a minute of any of that, but whatever makes you feel justified for supporting Bidens perpetuwar

1 hour ago, paco said:

I can't read your post beyond this.  You are whining about all this "spending" yet dismissing the notion that the aid is coming from items that are bought, paid for and actively being replaced by more advanced weaponry. You are literally trying to have it both ways so you can whine about Biden.

 

Guess what, the seized weapons from Iran that we are sending them will also count toward the $75B total or whatever the current tab is as well.

When Mike donates to charity the rusted '85 Ford pickup that barely runs that's been the centerpiece of his WV garden for 15 years he thinks "I just gave $10k cash money away"

16 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

Help me and my small brain out then, name a country that is 1) fighting a war 2) needs bulk outdated weapons 3) is a US ally 4) is fighting a US enemy 5) isn't commiting war crimes against their own people 6) isn't commiting war crimes against other people. 

I can think of one...

A country doesnt need to be fighting a war to take weaponry.  We do that all the time. We literally just sold $500M worth to Taiwan.  What war are they in?

Ukraine isnt an official ally of the US 

Ukraine has definitely committed war crimes in this conflict.  Youre a stooge if you think they havent.  And they're a corrupt nation by almost any measure.  There are many reports where we've completely lost track of the funds we've sent

 

Anything else?

4 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

When Mike donates to charity the rusted '85 Ford pickup that barely runs that's been the centerpiece of his WV garden for 15 years he thinks "I just gave $10k cash money away"

Isnt kars for kids a thing?

How does that work????  Intrinsic value!!

  Mike's so desperate for Russia to steamroll Ukraine.

1 minute ago, VanHammersly said:

  Mike's so desperate for Russia to steamroll Ukraine.

Propaganda

Russia cant steam roll ish as has been displayed for the entire world.

I know its nice to think we're the world police but we're not.  

I guess this makes sense though, after Biden gave an entire country to terrorists maybe hes reluctant to let nations stand on their own without our direct intervention 

Charity write-offs are based on estimated market value (blue book is fine) at time of donation, not original sticker price. 

But for donation purposes the car doesn't even need to be running to get full blue-book value for tax purposes.

And in neither case is the cash equivalent of the original MSRP considered to be floating out of your bank account and into the charity's. Which is the position from which your ignorant ass is arguing.

Just now, Mike31mt said:

Propaganda

Russia cant steam roll ish as has been displayed for the entire world.

I know its nice to think we're the world police but we're not.  

I guess this makes sense though, after Biden gave an entire country to terrorists maybe hes reluctant to let nations stand on their own without our direct intervention 

Without aid they will definitely take Ukraine.  It's not even up for debate.  But that's what you want, because you'd happily allow a bunch of fascist thugs to murder women and children if it lets you losers scream, "Look!  Biden gave Russia Ukraine!"  It's pretty gross but ya'll are sick F'ers.

Just now, JohnSnowsHair said:

Charity write-offs are based on estimated market value (blue book is fine) at time of donation, not original sticker price. 

But for donation purposes the car doesn't even need to be running to get full blue-book value for tax purposes.

And in neither case is the cash equivalent of the original MSRP considered to be floating out of your bank account and into the charity's. Which is the position from which your ignorant ass is arguing.

Lol I've never said a single thing about the original sticker price of a bullet or whatever the hell youre talking about.

I thought we were talking about intrinsic value, ask paco he knows all about it