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  • Here's the truly hysterical part -- the current situation is ideal for the US. Russia's military is engaged and has been seriously degraded to the point that they have to bring in foreign troops. We a

  • Yes, not only do I not rely on the western media, I came to Ukraine to see for myself that there are no NSDAPs or neo NSDAPs. Nor are there stacks of violence anywhere there isn't Russian troops. Nor

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27 minutes ago, barho said:

Kz posts consistently end up as utter failures.  That is why I ignored him.

We only have so much time, and any time wasted refuting the likes of Kz is time wasted. Even here, there are better things to waste time on.

Russia lost 3x Su-34 today to a Ukrainian Patriot battery. 
 

Suck it. 

US is buying missiles from Japan to ship to Ukraine.  Inventory that low ?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-67798740

1 hour ago, Talkingbirds said:

US is buying missiles from Japan to ship to Ukraine.  Inventory that low ?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-67798740

There wasn't a lot to begin with.  The Army has traditionally relied on the Air Force to be their primary protection from air attack.

10 hours ago, Mlodj said:

There wasn't a lot to begin with.  The Army has traditionally relied on the Air Force to be their primary protection from air attack.

Here’s a question: does it make more sense from an operational standpoint to move ground based anti-air to the AF?

On 12/23/2023 at 5:45 PM, Bill said:

Here’s a question: does it make more sense from an operational standpoint to move ground based anti-air to the AF?

The answer arrived upon has largely been determined by culture.  Western militaries have generally had independent services, and not surprisingly their air forces have made the case that they provide the most flexible and effective air defense.  In Mother Russia the land forces have always reigned supreme, so they have emphasized and owned SAM systems, because they are under the control of the army, to the point that their tactical air forces have been an adjunct of that, much to their detriment.

IMHO, if the ground forces want ground-based systems to protect them, then they should own and control them, at the least purely from an accountability aspect. This very much mirrors "who owns the CAS argument" in reverse.

 

44 minutes ago, Toastrel said:

Putin Ally Found Dead After Falling From Third-Floor Window

https://www.newsweek.com/vladimir-egorov-putin-ally-found-dead-window-1856059

Wow, another one has a heart attack and falls out an open window. In Russia. In winter.

:roll:

Putin Allies be like

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Russia unleashes biggest air attack on Ukraine since start of full-scale invasion

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Russia has launched the biggest air attack on Ukraine since the beginning of the full-scale invasion, the Ukrainian military told CNN, with an unprecedented number of drones and missiles fired at targets across the country, killing at least 18 people and injuring 132 others.

The wave of attacks began overnight into Friday and struck nationwide, with blasts reported in the capital Kyiv, as well as at a maternity hospital in the central city of Dnipro, the eastern city of Kharkiv, the southeastern port of Odesa, and the western city of Lviv, far from the frontlines.

"It’s been a long time since we have seen so many enemy targets on our monitors in all regions and all directions,” Yurii Ihnat, spokesperson for Ukraine’s air force, told national television. "Everything was being fired.”

Russia used 158 drones and missiles, including hypersonic Kinzhal missiles, cruise missiles and Shahed drones, to strike targets in Kyiv, the east, south and west of the country, Ukraine’s air force said.

"Today the enemy has struck a powerful blow. There are downed targets, however unfortunately there are also casualties,” Ihnat added.

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky said Russia used "nearly every type of weapon in its arsenal” in the "terrorist strikes,” to which he pledged Ukraine’s military would respond.

The massive overnight assault comes just days after Ukraine struck a Russian Navy landing ship in Crimea on Tuesday, causing severe damage to the vessel in another major blow to Moscow’s Black Sea fleet.

But the onslaught also came shortly after Ukraine received the last package of military aid from the United States until Congress approves the Biden administration’s funding request.

Nearly two years since Russian President Vladimir Putin launched his unprovoked invasion of Ukraine in February 2022, Zelensky is facing a largely-stalled counteroffensive while Western aid has begun to dry up.

In Kyiv at least three people were killed and 28 injured, including 25 hospitalized, after Russia targeted a metro station and residential buildings. Kyiv Mayor Vitali Klitschko said four people had been pulled from the rubble of a damaged warehouse in Shevchenkivskyi district, adding that rescue operations were ongoing.

Kharkiv was hit by a "massive attack,” Ukrainian Prime Minster Denys Shmyhal said, with more than 20 strikes reported in the region, including on a hospital. At least three people were killed and 11 injured in the strikes, according to regional military administration head Oleh Syniehubov.

At least four people were killed and 10 people were injured in the southern region of Zaporizhzhia, the regional military administration head Yurif Malashko said on Telegram. Emergency workers are still working to see if people are trapped under the rubble of collapsed buildings. Malashko said the region had been targeted by 10 missiles, including Kinzhal missiles, of which one was intercepted.

Further south, a school building was hit in Odesa, injuring seven people, including a child. Three people were killed and 22 injured – including two children and a pregnant woman – in strikes elsewhere in the region, according to Oleh Kiper, head of Odesa region military administration. At least 18 people were hospitalized.

And in the central city of Dnipro, at least five were killed and more than 20 injured, officials said.

Prime Minister Shymal praised the professionalism of Ukraine’s air defense forces, which he said had shot down most of the drones and missiles, but had not been able to prevent all of the strikes.

Ukraine’s Foreign Ministry said Russia had targeted "Ukrainian women, children, the elderly, and civilians” in the strikes.

"The crimes that Russia has committed in Ukraine today are its revenge for its inability to turn the tide of the battle in the fight against the Ukrainian defense forces,” it said in a statement.

Without referring directly to Friday’s attacks, the Russian Defense Ministry said its army had "carried out 50 group strikes and one mass strike with high-precision weapons and unmanned aerial vehicles” in the period from December 23 to 29, claiming it had only struck military targets.

The head of Ukraine’s Presidential Office, Andriy Yermak, called for support as his country battles Russian airstrikes.

"A massive terrorist attack, rockets are flying at our cities again, and civilians are being targeted,” Yermak said in a Telegram post on Friday.

"Ukraine needs support. We will be even stronger, we are doing everything to strengthen our air shield. But the world needs to see that we need more support and strength to stop this terror.”

European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen said the European Union will support Ukraine "for as long as it takes.”

"We have stood by Ukraine since day one of Russia’s war of aggression. With almost €85 billion [$94 billion] in financial, humanitarian and military support,” she wrote on X.

The latest proposed package of EU aid to Ukraine was blocked by Hungary earlier this month, but a majority of members are exploring the use of different mechanisms to continue providing financial assistance to Ukraine. Von der Leyen said Brussels was "working very hard” to reach an agreement between 27 member states.

The US ambassador to Ukraine, Bridget Brink, shared a screenshot on X, formerly Twitter, of the numerous air raid warnings sent to Ukrainian phones overnight.

"This is what Ukrainians see on their phones this morning,” she said. "As a result, millions of men, women, and children are in bomb shelters as Russia fires missiles across the country. Ukraine needs funding now to continue to fight for freedom from such horror in 2024.”

Russia’s missile attacks reportedly continued into Friday afternoon. Ukraine’s air force said another missile launch had been detected from Russia’s Kursk region heading towards the northeastern Ukrainian city of Sumy.

‘The house was shaking’
The Ukrainian Air Force said it recorded "the departure of 9 Tu-95MS strategic bombers from the ‘Olenya’ airfield in the Murmansk region of Russia.” The Tu-95 bomber is a mainstay of Russia’s aerial attacks on Ukraine, able to launch cruise missiles against its neighbor out of the range of most air-defense systems.

In Kyiv, air raid sirens sounded for several hours overnight. Residents told CNN later Friday how they were woken by the attacks.

"It was very loud, the house was shaking, it was very scary,” said Viktoria Krasyuk. "It seems like you’ve been living in this for many months, but it still causes emotions, it’s still very difficult, it’s very hard to decide whether to stay or go somewhere, or even leave (the country).”

A man named Sehiy told CNN the attack was a reminder that Russia’s "goal is the same – to destroy Ukraine as a state.”

"Unfortunately, Russia is learning to fight. It is learning to fight, including from us Ukrainians. They are accumulating ammunition, everything else they need,” he said.

Trains were halted as a building was damaged at Lukianivska subway station in central Kyiv, which is also operating as a shelter, mayor Klitschko said.

Many were wounded and a search for victims is underway after a warehouse caught fire in the Podilskyi district of the capital region, the head of Kyiv’s military administration, Serhiy Popko, said in a Telegram post.

In Lviv, which borders Poland, at least 15 people were injured, with damage reported in 13 residential buildings and two schools, according to the head of Lviv region military administration Maksym Kozytskyi.

The Polish military reported an "unidentified airborne object” entered Polish airspace from Ukrainian territory early Friday morning.

Ihnat, spokesperson for Ukraine’s air force, implied the object may have been fired by Ukrainian air defenses seeking to intercept incoming Russian missiles.

"We’ve seen missiles flying into Romania, as well as attack UAVs and debris. The same thing happened in Poland. This is not something new. These things can happen under such massive attacks. The enemy is attacking the border areas in the west [of Ukraine] as well,” Ihnat said on Ukrainian television.

In November 2022, a missile struck near the Polish village Przewodow, close to the border with Ukraine, killing two people. US officials later determined it was a Ukrainian S-300 air defense missile.

Friday’s widespread strikes followed Russia’s launch of 53 attacks across eastern Ukraine on Thursday, according to a Telegram post from the Ukrainian General Staff.

Russia launched dozens of airstrikes, wounding civilians and destroying civilian infrastructure, the post said.

Ukrainian Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba said he wished the "loud sound of explosions” heard across Ukraine Friday morning "could be heard all around the world.”

"In all major capitals, headquarters, and parliaments, which are currently debating further support for Ukraine. In all newsrooms, which are writing about ‘fatigue’ or Russia purportedly being ready for ‘negotiations,’” he wrote on X.

"These sounds are what Russia really has to say. Our only collective response can and must be continued, robust, and long-term military and financial assistance to Ukraine. Only greater firepower can silence Russian terror.”

 

 

Also of note during the attack, a Russian cruise missile violated Polish airspace

Ukrainian shelling kills 20 Russian civilians, Russia says, a day after Moscow launched major aerial assault

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At least 20 people, including two children, were killed and 111 others injured in a Ukrainian attack on the Russian city of Belgorod on Saturday, Russia’s Ministry of Emergency Situations has said.

The deaths were the result of a "massive” attack on downtown Belgorod, according to Russian state news agency TASS, quoting the emergencies ministry.

"This crime will not go unpunished,” the Russian Defense Ministry said in a statement.

"The Kiev regime … is trying to divert attention from the defeats on the front lines and to provoke us into taking similar actions.”

Following the attack, Russia requested an emergency meeting of the United Nations Security Council, Russia’s First Deputy Permanent Representative to the UN, Dmitry Polyanskiy, said Saturday.

Saturday’s shelling comes after Russia launched overnight Thursday into Friday its biggest air attack on Ukraine since the start of its full-scale invasion, resulting in at least 40 deaths and more than 150 injuries.

Ukrainian attacks on Russian regions near the border have continued almost daily for over a year, sometimes resulting in civilian casualties, but this would be one of the single deadliest incidents yet reported. CNN cannot independently confirm the death toll.

Russian President Vladimir Putin has been briefed about the attack in Belgorod, the Kremlin said, ordering a health ministry team and emergencies ministry rescuers to be sent to the city to help those affected.

About 40 civilian facilities have been damaged in the city due to the shelling, which caused 10 fires which have since been extinguished.

Russian authorities said Belgorod was also shelled Friday night with one civilian killed, the region’s governor Vyacheslav Gladkov said. Four others, including a child, were injured, he added.

On Saturday, a child also died as a result of Ukrainian shelling in Russia’s Bryansk region, the region’s Governor Aleksandr Bogomaz said.

Russia’s defense ministry said it destroyed 32 Ukrainian UAVs flying over the Russian regions of Bryansk, Oryol, Mursk, and Moscow, according to a Telegram post by the defense ministry Saturday.

Ukraine has not publicly commented on the incidents and rarely claims responsibility for attacks on its neighbor.

Rescuers comb through Kyiv rubble

The toll from the Russian strikes on Ukraine – which saw an unprecedented number of drones and missiles fired at targets across the country – meanwhile continued to mount.

A 77-year-old man died from his injuries in the city of Odesa, Oleh Kiper, the head of the Odesa region military administration said, bringing the total killed to 40.

The man was critically injured when a missile hit a three-storey building in the center of Odesa, Kiper added.

Schools, a maternity hospital, shopping arcades and blocks of flats were among the buildings hit in Friday’s barrage, prompting widespread international condemnation and renewing calls for more military aid.

The toll in the capital Kyiv rose to at least 16, after the bodies of more civilians were recovered from the rubble of a warehouse, Mayor Vitaliy Klitschko said Saturday. All the deaths in Kyiv occurred at the warehouse.

"The attack on the capital city on December 29 was the largest in terms of civilian casualties” since the start of the full-scale invasion, he said.

"Rescuers are working and will continue to clear the rubble until tomorrow,” Klitschko said. "January 1 will be declared a Day of Mourning in Kyiv.”

During the wave of strikes, Poland’s military authorities claimed that an "unidentified airbourne object” briefly entered its airspace.

Russia said it would not give any any explanation "until concrete evidence is presented.”

NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg wrote on X that NATO remained vigilant over the incident.

 

 

what did russia do bombard ukraine with leggy mermaids?

On 12/29/2023 at 9:12 AM, paco said:

Ukraine needs to figure out some asymmetrical ways to stop this at the source.  Like Spec Ops teams with drones and mortars targeting Russian air bases and planting a few bombs on Iran to Russia cargo flights or hitting them at landing with MANPADS weapons. 

 

 

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2024/01/02/russia-announced-it-had-deployed-to-ukraine-its-best-new-artillery-detecting-radar-hours-later-the-ukrainians-blew-it-up-with-artillery/?sh=6f64bf20df35

 

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Russia Announced It Had Deployed, To Ukraine, Its Best New Artillery-Detecting Radar. Hours Later, The Ukrainians Blew It Up—With Artillery.

 

3 minutes ago, Mlodj said:

At least it didn't fall out of a third story window.

Someone should send all Putin associates t-shirts with a 'Ground Floor Gang' logo on them.

 

AI Prompt: create a logo for a group called the "Ground Floor Gang” which is made up of Russians who fell out of a window

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Ukrainian air-defenses reportedly shot down two of the Russian air force’s rarest and most valuable command aircraft on Sunday: a Beriev A-50 radar early-warning plane and an Ilyushin Il-22 airborne command post.

If the Ukrainians indeed struck both the Il-22 and the A-50, Sunday would mark the single worst day for the Russian air force in the 23 months since Russia widened its war on Ukraine. Worse than the day, back in December, when the Ukrainians shot down three Russian Sukhoi fighter-bombers in a complex missile-ambush over southern Ukraine

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2024/01/14/ukrainian-sources-we-just-shot-down-two-of-russias-best-command-planes/?sh=1446219a3adf

From what I heard the IL-22 limped back to land. Of note, non of this has been verified, but that’s a pretty tall feat to BS about. 
 

To put it in perspective the A-50 is the Russian equivalent of an AWACS. 
 

Also of note is that it went down over the Sea of Azov. 

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