3 minutes ago, lynched1 said:

Why not? He likely has more than the US does. Certainly more than Europe.

He wants a Russian empire not a flattened Russia

17 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

He wants a Russian empire not a flattened Russia

Hitler wanted a 1000 year empire too.

If he fired a nuke or two would Europe or the US have the resolve?

More importantly would the money behind these countries have that resolve?

You're betting he wouldn't. My question is what if you're wrong? You ready for that? To be wrong?

9 minutes ago, lynched1 said:

You're betting he wouldn't. My question is what if you're wrong? You ready for that? To be wrong?

Am I ready for what?  For Putin to strike Kiev with a tactical nuke?

16 hours ago, lynched1 said:

At least you won't have to get any closer to it than the television.  🤣

 

Says the big baby who wants to bow down to Putin. I’ve been to war d-bag. I’d rather we send them help that doesn’t involve sacrificing our young men and women. 

46 minutes ago, lynched1 said:

Why not? He likely has more than the US does. Certainly more than Europe.

He's not as stupid as you. Not that there are many that stupid, outside of institutions.

54 minutes ago, lynched1 said:

Why not? He likely has more than the US does. Certainly more than Europe.

Their supposedly fifth gen "stealth" fighters have open rivets and hand hammered sheet metal, but yeah I'm sure their ICBMs are in tip top shape.

 

4 hours ago, DrPhilly said:

Am I ready for what?  For Putin to strike Kiev with a tactical nuke?

More or less the outcome if he did. 

Two options are nuke him back or go in and get him.

3 hours ago, we_gotta_believe said:

but yeah I'm sure their ICBMs are in tip top shape.

Are ours? That said they're nukes, how pinpoint accurate do they really need to be.

4 hours ago, Toastrel said:

He's not as stupid as you. Not that there are many that stupid, outside of institutions.

You're a truck stop amusement ride, how the F would you know?

1 hour ago, lynched1 said:

Are ours? That said they're nukes, how pinpoint accurate do they really need to be.

Ask your buddy from North Korea

51 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Ask your buddy from North Korea

I'm mono-lingual.

😉

1 hour ago, lynched1 said:

I'm mono-lingual.

😉

you give yourself too much credit. Use the prefix "semi." It's more accurate. 

2 hours ago, Next_Up said:

you give yourself too much credit. Use the prefix "semi." It's more accurate. 

I don't give myself enough credit. I consider my interactions with you to be pro bono social work. 

😉

7 hours ago, lynched1 said:

More or less the outcome if he did. 

Two options are nuke him back or go in and get him.

He isn't going to nuke Kiev just because Ukraine is given an ok to fire conventional missiles into Russia.  He might if Ukraine does fire a chunk of missiles into the heart of Moscow but that is something Ukraine needs to consider.

I think there is a better chance that these actions bring Putin to the negotiating table and one where he doesn't hold all the cards any longer.

President Vladimir Putin signed a decree on Monday increasing the number of soldiers in the Russian military by 180,000, bringing the total number of active servicemen to 1.5 million for this upcoming winter.

The decree, which takes effect Dec. 1, sets the overall number of military personnel within Russia’s army at 2,389,139, including 1.5 million servicemen.

It also marks the third expansion of the military since Putin launched the full-scale invasion of Ukraine in February 2022. Prior troop increases included 137,000 in August 2022 and another 170,000 last December.

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2024/09/16/putin-orders-russian-army-to-increase-troop-size-by-180k-a86383

On 9/14/2024 at 3:05 PM, lynched1 said:

Why not? He likely has more than the US does. Certainly more than Europe.

15 seconds on Wiki will show you that the US and Russia are virtually deadlocked on the # nuclear weapons, especially when you consider 3rd place has less than 10% of either country.

On 9/14/2024 at 3:25 PM, lynched1 said:

Hitler wanted a 1000 year empire too.

If he fired a nuke or two would Europe or the US have the resolve?

More importantly would the money behind these countries have that resolve?

You're betting he wouldn't. My question is what if you're wrong? You ready for that? To be wrong?

Man, could you imagine if the Mongolian empire fired a nuke?????    

 

And before you dismiss this notion you need to consider they were another belligerent nation with goals of world wide domination with equal nuclear capabilities of NDSAP Germany.

6 hours ago, paco said:

15 seconds on Wiki will show you that the US and Russia are virtually deadlocked on the # nuclear weapons, especially when you consider 3rd place has less than 10% of either country.

I wouldn't consider wiki to be my go to option, but OK.

Not sure I put much stock in Putin accurately verifying armament. Then again the US is pretty sketchy too.

6 hours ago, paco said:

Man, could you imagine if the Mongolian empire fired a nuke?????    

 

And before you dismiss this notion you need to consider they were another belligerent nation with goals of world wide domination with equal nuclear capabilities of NDSAP Germany.

No. They hadn't even squared away the concept toilet paper yet.

On 9/14/2024 at 3:25 PM, lynched1 said:

Hitler wanted a 1000 year empire too.

If he fired a nuke or two would Europe or the US have the resolve?

More importantly would the money behind these countries have that resolve?

You're betting he wouldn't. My question is what if you're wrong? You ready for that? To be wrong?

Quiet, clown

5 hours ago, ToastJenkins said:

Quiet, clown

F off wonder boy.

Ha Ha.

https://www.newsweek.com/russias-top-trade-ally-defies-putins-warning-over-kyiv-weapons-1956276

Putin issues nuclear warning to the West over strikes on Russia from Ukraine
President Vladimir Putin warned the West on Wednesday that Russia could use nuclear weapons if it was struck with conventional missiles, and that Moscow would consider any assault on it supported by a nuclear power to be a joint attack.

The decision to change Russia’s official nuclear doctrine is the Kremlin’s answer to deliberations in the United States and Britain about whether or not to give Ukraine permission to fire conventional Western missiles into Russia.

Putin, opening a meeting of Russia’s Security Council, said that the changes were in response to a swiftly changing global landscape which had thrown up new threats and risks for Russia.

The 71-year-old Kremlin chief, the primary decision-maker on Russia’s vast nuclear arsenal, said he wanted to underscore one key change in particular.

"It is proposed that aggression against Russia by any non-nuclear state, but with the participation or support of a nuclear state, be considered as their joint attack on the Russian Federation,” Putin said.

"The conditions for Russia’s transition to the use of nuclear weapons are also clearly fixed,” Putin said, adding that Moscow would consider such a move if it detected the start of a massive launch of missiles, aircraft or drones against it.

Russian service members march in columns during a military parade on Victory Day, which marks the 79th anniversary of the victory over NSDAP Germany in World War Two, in Red Square in Moscow, Russia, May 9, 2024. 

Russia reserved the right to also use nuclear weapons if it or ally Belarus were the subject of aggression, including by conventional weapons, Putin said.

Putin said the clarifications were carefully calibrated and commensurate with the modern military threats facing Russia – confirmation that the nuclear doctrine was changing.

Russia’s current published nuclear doctrine, set out in a 2020 decree by Putin, says Russia may use nuclear weapons in case of a nuclear attack by an enemy or a conventional attack that threatens the existence of the state.

The innovations outlined by Putin include a widening of the threats under which Russia would consider a nuclear strike, the inclusion of ally Belarus under the nuclear umbrella and the idea that a rival nuclear power supporting a conventional strike on Russia would also be considered to be attacking it.

The United States in 2022 was so concerned about the possible use of tactical nuclear weapons by Russia that it warned Putin over the consequences of using such weapons, according to Central Intelligence Agency Director Bill Burns.

Confrontation
The 2-1/2-year-old Ukraine war has triggered the gravest confrontation between Russia and the West since the 1962 Cuban Missile Crisis - considered to be the closest the two Cold War superpowers came to intentional nuclear war.

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky has been urging Kyiv’s allies for months to let Ukraine fire Western missiles, including long-range US ATACMS and British Storm Shadows, deep into Russia to limit Moscow’s ability to launch attacks.

With Ukraine losing key towns to gradually advancing Russian forces in the country’s east, the war is entering what Russian officials say is the most dangerous phase to date.

Zelensky has urged the West to cross and disregard Russia’s so-called "red lines,” and some Western allies have urged the United States to do just that, though Putin’s Russia, which controls just under one-fifth of Ukrainian territory, has warned that the West and Ukraine are risking a global war.

"Russia no longer has any instruments to intimidate the world apart from nuclear blackmail,” Andriy Yermak, Zelensky’s chief of staff, said in response to Putin’s remarks. "These instruments will not work.”

Ukraine's President Volodymyr Zelenskiy addresses the 79th United Nations General Assembly at U.N. headquarters in New York, U.S., September 25, 2024.  

Putin, who casts the West as a decadent aggressor, and US President Joe Biden, who casts Russia as a corrupt autocracy and Putin as a killer, have both warned that a direct Russia-NATO confrontation could escalate into World War Three. Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump has also warned of the risk of nuclear war.

Russia is the world’s largest nuclear power. Together, Russia and the US control 88% of the world’s nuclear warheads.

In his remarks to Russia’s Security Council, a type of modern-day politburo of Putin’s most powerful officials including influential hawks, Putin said that work on amendments on changing the doctrine had been going on for the past year.

"The nuclear triad remains the most important guarantee of ensuring the security of our state and citizens, an instrument for maintaining strategic parity and balance of power in the world,” Putin said.

Russia, he said, would consider using nuclear weapons "upon receiving reliable information about the massive launch of aerospace attack vehicles and their crossing of our state border, meaning strategic or tactical aircraft, cruise missiles, drones, hypersonic and other aircraft.”

 

 

5 minutes ago, paco said:

Putin issues nuclear warning to the West over strikes on Russia from Ukraine
President Vladimir Putin warned the West on Wednesday that Russia could use nuclear weapons if it was struck with conventional missiles, and that Moscow would consider any assault on it supported by a nuclear power to be a joint attack.

The decision to change Russia’s official nuclear doctrine is the Kremlin’s answer to deliberations in the United States and Britain about whether or not to give Ukraine permission to fire conventional Western missiles into Russia.

Putin, opening a meeting of Russia’s Security Council, said that the changes were in response to a swiftly changing global landscape which had thrown up new threats and risks for Russia.

The 71-year-old Kremlin chief, the primary decision-maker on Russia’s vast nuclear arsenal, said he wanted to underscore one key change in particular.

"It is proposed that aggression against Russia by any non-nuclear state, but with the participation or support of a nuclear state, be considered as their joint attack on the Russian Federation,” Putin said.

"The conditions for Russia’s transition to the use of nuclear weapons are also clearly fixed,” Putin said, adding that Moscow would consider such a move if it detected the start of a massive launch of missiles, aircraft or drones against it.

Russian service members march in columns during a military parade on Victory Day, which marks the 79th anniversary of the victory over NSDAP Germany in World War Two, in Red Square in Moscow, Russia, May 9, 2024. 

Russia reserved the right to also use nuclear weapons if it or ally Belarus were the subject of aggression, including by conventional weapons, Putin said.

Putin said the clarifications were carefully calibrated and commensurate with the modern military threats facing Russia – confirmation that the nuclear doctrine was changing.

Russia’s current published nuclear doctrine, set out in a 2020 decree by Putin, says Russia may use nuclear weapons in case of a nuclear attack by an enemy or a conventional attack that threatens the existence of the state.

The innovations outlined by Putin include a widening of the threats under which Russia would consider a nuclear strike, the inclusion of ally Belarus under the nuclear umbrella and the idea that a rival nuclear power supporting a conventional strike on Russia would also be considered to be attacking it.

The United States in 2022 was so concerned about the possible use of tactical nuclear weapons by Russia that it warned Putin over the consequences of using such weapons, according to Central Intelligence Agency Director Bill Burns.

Confrontation
The 2-1/2-year-old Ukraine war has triggered the gravest confrontation between Russia and the West since the 1962 Cuban Missile Crisis - considered to be the closest the two Cold War superpowers came to intentional nuclear war.

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky has been urging Kyiv’s allies for months to let Ukraine fire Western missiles, including long-range US ATACMS and British Storm Shadows, deep into Russia to limit Moscow’s ability to launch attacks.

With Ukraine losing key towns to gradually advancing Russian forces in the country’s east, the war is entering what Russian officials say is the most dangerous phase to date.

Zelensky has urged the West to cross and disregard Russia’s so-called "red lines,” and some Western allies have urged the United States to do just that, though Putin’s Russia, which controls just under one-fifth of Ukrainian territory, has warned that the West and Ukraine are risking a global war.

"Russia no longer has any instruments to intimidate the world apart from nuclear blackmail,” Andriy Yermak, Zelensky’s chief of staff, said in response to Putin’s remarks. "These instruments will not work.”

Ukraine's President Volodymyr Zelenskiy addresses the 79th United Nations General Assembly at U.N. headquarters in New York, U.S., September 25, 2024.  

Putin, who casts the West as a decadent aggressor, and US President Joe Biden, who casts Russia as a corrupt autocracy and Putin as a killer, have both warned that a direct Russia-NATO confrontation could escalate into World War Three. Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump has also warned of the risk of nuclear war.

Russia is the world’s largest nuclear power. Together, Russia and the US control 88% of the world’s nuclear warheads.

In his remarks to Russia’s Security Council, a type of modern-day politburo of Putin’s most powerful officials including influential hawks, Putin said that work on amendments on changing the doctrine had been going on for the past year.

"The nuclear triad remains the most important guarantee of ensuring the security of our state and citizens, an instrument for maintaining strategic parity and balance of power in the world,” Putin said.

Russia, he said, would consider using nuclear weapons "upon receiving reliable information about the massive launch of aerospace attack vehicles and their crossing of our state border, meaning strategic or tactical aircraft, cruise missiles, drones, hypersonic and other aircraft.”

 

 

Something tells me he's bluffing

Bring it on Abra