2 minutes ago, Procus said:

Let's not forget who you voted for

Oh, don't worry. We won't. We can at least absolve ourselves of this sh**show.

1 minute ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Is that your inner monologue pleading with yourself to hang on to your memories? You know, because you're very old and suffering from dementia.

I heard Donald Trump has severe advanced dementia!

4 hours ago, barho said:

The EU spend 3xs more than Russia on defense.  You’re wrong 

Yep. The EU has far more at stake than we do. Then again a lot of these trumpbot assclowns spent months in the early days of this thread calling Putin a genius and saying Kiev would fall in two weeks.

4 hours ago, Tnt4philly said:

He literally has an issue with words with multiple senses, so much that his head will literally explode. 🤯 

He's harmless, he just really needs attention sometimes

1 hour ago, DrPhilly said:

Ok, I'm trying to find the interview but all I see are some clips and he doesn't say anything about that.  The only thing I've seen in the news articles is his insistence on security agreements.

Here’s the entire interview but, admittedly, his accent is thick and I misheard some of it initially. The discussion about Europe and the army starts around 10:30 but when he talks about pushing Russia all the way out it’s to say they don’t have the weapons to do it. I still think a European army in Ukraine will be a dealbreaker but he does sound at least open to a ceasefire negotiation.

 

2 minutes ago, BBE said:

And that relationship is stronger than the media plays out.  And really it's the UK.

As long as Canada shares joint responsibility for air space over the continent the intelligence sharing will continue. 

We shall see

3 hours ago, Tnt4philly said:

Do you realize the cost of not having a stable Europe on our side? Europe has remained relatively stable since WWII because the US took the lead. 

"We learn from history that we do not learn from history."

 

But I bet learning in general has to be pretty difficult for Trump voters due to that whole illiteracy thing.

27 minutes ago, BBE said:

We have allies there and agreements.  Ukraine is what strategic value?  If you compare Taiwan to Ukraine, I know you are too emotionally invested.

Because Ukraine is step one of what Putin wants, just as Taiwan is step one of what China wants. 
 

If you can’t see how China is studying US foreign policy wrt Ukraine, I can’t help you see the forest for the trees. 

Here is a sample of some of the Ukrainian recruitment methods for its army.  I'm sure all of you Zelensky supporters are on board with this

 

Here's Zelensky's apology

 

6 minutes ago, Bill said:

Because Ukraine is step one of what Putin wants, just as Taiwan is step one of what China wants. 
 

If you can’t see how China is studying US foreign policy wrt Ukraine, I can’t help you see the forest for the trees. 

No, Taiwan has the bulk of chip foundress and has a defense agreement codified in law which requires our support. 

Ukraine is just not giving Putin what he wants. 

If you can't see the differences then you are rightfully personally invested in Ukraine. 

3 hours ago, BBE said:

Mike Minihan.  Might want to educate yourself.

Former general. But if we are to take the words of generals seriously... Might want to educate yourself. 

https://thehill.com/policy/defense/4870286-retired-military-officers-back-harris/

13 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

We shall see

Yes, we shall.  I am willing to bet on five eyes prevailing.

Just now, we_gotta_believe said:

Former general. But if we are to take the words of generals seriously... Might want to educate yourself. 

https://thehill.com/policy/defense/4870286-retired-military-officers-back-harris/

Former commander of Airforce Mobility Command, one of the largest MAJCOMs in the Air Force. 

I have good reason to take his word on China (although his time frame is a bit early).

2 hours ago, Tnt4philly said:

You misunderstood, I don’t care who said it, it is just the opinion of one of many generals.
 

But hey, let’s pretend giving up Ukraine to Russia won’t embolden China to go ahead and take Tawain. 

That's what's hilarious about it all. These limp-wristed cucks are too stupid and uneducated to realize cowardice and appeasement only emboldens aggressors. 

2 minutes ago, BBE said:

Former commander of Airforce Mobility Command, one of the largest MAJCOMs in the Air Force. 

I have good reason to take his word on China (although his time frame is a bit early).

Yeah, I'm sure bending over in front of the world and literally siding with Russia, North Korea, and Hungary is really making China tremble with fear. 

3 hours ago, BBE said:

The issue there is that there is a defense pact with Taiwan.  Apples and oranges.

Yes, solid point. If there's one thing Trump is known for, it's honoring agreements.

2 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Yeah, I'm sure bending over in front of the world and literally siding with Russia, North Korea, and Hungary is really making China tremble with fear. 

Interesting change in strategy.   First, 10 generals support Kamala. Nothing yo do with China-Taiwan.  Then this...

Just now, we_gotta_believe said:

Yes, solid point. If there's one thing Trump is known for is, it's honoring agreements.

This is codified law.  The US must provide for Taiwan's defense.  Anything more requires Congress to do or not do.

5 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Yeah, I'm sure bending over in front of the world and literally siding with Russia, North Korea, and Hungary is really making China tremble with fear. 

China's move on Taiwan will be independent of what happens in Ukraine. 

Just now, BBE said:

Interesting change in strategy.   First, 10 generals support Kamala. Nothing yo do with China-Taiwan.  Then this...

The strategy was to first point out your fallacy of trying to selectively appeal to authority. 

Then it was to remind you that the entire basis of your argument is a false dichotomy, another fallacy. The thought that siding with Russia makes us better prepared to deal with China is so laughably stupid that only a desperate and ashamed Trump voter trying to save face would dare to say it out loud with the hopes that anyone would take it seriously.

4 minutes ago, BBE said:

This is codified law.  The US must provide for Taiwan's defense.  Anything more requires Congress to do or not do.

Yes, yes, compliance with the law is the other thing Trump is known for. Especially laws on falsification of business records, handling of classified documents, conspiracy to submit false slates of electors, complying with court orders, etc.

You're really killing it today, bud.

13 minutes ago, BBE said:

Former commander of Airforce Mobility Command, one of the largest MAJCOMs in the Air Force. 

I have good reason to take his word on China (although his time frame is a bit early).

• Disagreement with Pentagon view:

  While Minihan's concerns are considered serious by some, the Department of Defense has stated that his memo does not reflect the official assessment of China's intentions, suggesting that war is not a likely scenario. 

8 minutes ago, BBE said:

This is codified law.  The US must provide for Taiwan's defense.  Anything more requires Congress to do or not do.

Yeah, codified strategic ambiguity is really where you want to hitch your horse on military intervention. 

"Hey, the TRA says we have to!”

The TRA: required to do something, which isn’t specified, so long as the President doesn’t do something unilaterally w/o the consent of Congress.