March 6, 2025Mar 6 23 minutes ago, Frankfurteagle89 said: After all the events of the past days, I just cannot understand why we are moving towards Russia as our new friend?! All the differences and viewpoints aside, why are we destroying all our "friendships” to neighbors, allies and then basically cutting off all assistance to Ukraine. If it was only to put pressure on the Europeans and Ukrainians, then it worked. But why continue on this path? I think it always works best to ask the question "what's in it for Donald Trump?". It really is the only thing that matters to him. The way I see it he is motivated by personal fame and power and that's it. Not country, friends, and not his businesses. His money is only a tool that he uses.
March 6, 2025Mar 6 31 minutes ago, Frankfurteagle89 said: After all the events of the past days, I just cannot understand why we are moving towards Russia as our new friend?! All the differences and viewpoints aside, why are we destroying all our "friendships” to neighbors, allies and then basically cutting off all assistance to Ukraine. If it was only to put pressure on the Europeans and Ukrainians, then it worked. But why continue on this path? It just makes no sense. Are there any people here who would prefer a new Russia - American Axis? Normalizing Russia opens a huge market up to Tesla, Meta, Apple and Amazon. Musk can sell Teslas on every corner of Moscow. Bezoz can set up distribution centers all over one of the largest land masses on the planet. This is all about catering to billionaires so they can make more money.
March 6, 2025Mar 6 Orange Hitler rubbing salt in the wounds... Quote Donald Trump's administration is reportedly planning to revoke temporary legal status for around 240,000 Ukrainians. According to the Reuters news agency, a senior Trump official and three sources familiar with the matter said the move is expected as soon as April – potentially putting almost a quarter of a million Ukrainians in the US on a fast-track to deportation.
March 6, 2025Mar 6 Author 5 minutes ago, Gannan said: Orange Hitler rubbing salt in the wounds... Some evil crap
March 6, 2025Mar 6 I think Trump's motivation is more in the the category of "king of a sphere" rather than money. His desire for Canada, Greenland, and Panama line up with that. The Ukraine situation is a chance for a Peace Prize which he has always wanted.
March 6, 2025Mar 6 47 minutes ago, Gannan said: Orange Hitler rubbing salt in the wounds... wait, he's not doing the same to all of russians here? frack, we could clear out 80% of somerton.
March 6, 2025Mar 6 41 minutes ago, DrPhilly said: I think it always works best to ask the question "what's in it for Donald Trump?". It really is the only thing that matters to him. The way I see it he is motivated by personal fame and power and that's it. Not country, friends, and not his businesses. His money is only a tool that he uses. When you have no morality for what is right or wrong, dictatorship vs democracy… you just pick the easy path. Ukraine can’t win without assistance, trump has zero interest in helping anyone else for anything without getting something more in return, so he picks the side for the easy win. How many magats have parroted the phrase "negotiate from a position of strength” in the last week? That’s a natural position to take when you’re born into a millionaire real estate family, everyone else should just bow down and take what they are allowed to have.
March 6, 2025Mar 6 3 minutes ago, MidMoFo said: When you have no morality for what is right or wrong, dictatorship vs democracy… you just pick the easy path. Ukraine can’t win without assistance, trump has zero interest in helping anyone else for anything without getting something more in return, so he picks the side for the easy win. How many magats have parroted the phrase "negotiate from a position of strength” in the last week? That’s a natural position to take when you’re born into a millionaire real estate family, everyone else should just bow down and take what they are allowed to have. That angle work to explain the Ukraine but what about the rest of Europe? He is in the process of giving up the US role as leader of the free world at least in all of Europe.
March 6, 2025Mar 6 43 minutes ago, DrPhilly said: I think Trump's motivation is more in the the category of "king of a sphere" rather than money. His desire for Canada, Greenland, and Panama line up with that. The Ukraine situation is a chance for a Peace Prize which he has always wanted. If they gave it to Kissinger and Teddy Roosevelt (who seized the canal zone), then Trump could definitely win.
March 6, 2025Mar 6 Trump operates in the zero sun world. The problem is that international relations doesn’t. He’s colossally stupid.
March 6, 2025Mar 6 18 minutes ago, DrPhilly said: That angle work to explain the Ukraine but what about the rest of Europe? He is in the process of giving up the US role as leader of the free world at least in all of Europe. trump minded response: What about Europe? No morality available, not his problem, big, beautiful ocean… Edit: Leader of the free world? Sounds expensive, not going to pay for that unless I’m getting something MORE in return.
March 6, 2025Mar 6 56 minutes ago, Alpha_TATEr said: wait, he's not doing the same to all of russians here? frack, we could clear out 80% of somerton. If he got rid of all the Russians I'd probably vote for him. They have come out of Somerton and flooding lower bucks. They're freaking everywhere and trying to turn our nice neighborhoods into little Moscow.
March 6, 2025Mar 6 Just now, DaEagles4Life said: They will double down on the "Zelensky is a dictator” propaganda…
March 6, 2025Mar 6 On 3/5/2025 at 1:53 PM, Dave Moss said: Sounds like you hold a deep admiration for Neville Chamberlain No. It is possible to argue that Chamberlain's appeasement allowed the UK to build up forces, equipment, etc because we were woefully out of depth (as we are today). But I don't like him at all. You can also argue that Chamberlain being so poor allowed a personality like Churchill to get in due to how dire things were. Hindsight and all that On 3/5/2025 at 1:56 PM, DEagle7 said: Are you seriously comparing the invasion of Ukraine to the Cuban missile crisis? Its an anecdote of how perhaps Russia sees what is being done in Ukraine with EU/NATO membership, as you would if they did that in Cuba. Understand why Putin thinks as he does, helps to predict future behaviours. It doesn't justify his invasion of Ukraine at all On 3/5/2025 at 2:16 PM, JohnSnowsHair said: Russia already shares a continent with Europe. NATO nations already border much of Russia. Russia's sphere of influence has shrunk, and Ukraine pre maiden was one of the few former Soviet states that still could be seen as "under the thumb" of Russia at some level - and when Ukrainians decided it was in their best interest to start pivoting west that's when Russia decided it needed to meddle more. Russia has been meddling in these states for a long time, and they've meddled in our elections. There are no sacred cows here. The issue is not that the west dangled EU or NATO to Ukraine - it's that Ukraine itself started to make the decision to pivot, and Russia responded with military force. Maybe Russia should try maintaining its sphere of influence by sucking less? Just a thought. Why did the US feel the need to meddle in Eastern European politics in 2014 with the Maidan revolution? What was the purpose of it? What were the Bush/Obama admins hoping to achieve from 2008 onwards in Ukraine and Eastern Europe, other than destabilising it for your benefit? Let's be real. Ukraine made the decision to pivot once the Govt in charge were amenable to NATO.
March 6, 2025Mar 6 5 minutes ago, Gannan said: If he got rid of all the Russians I'd probably vote for him. They have come out of Somerton and flooding lower bucks. They're freaking everywhere nd trying to turn our nice neighborhoods into little Moscow. any hot ones?
March 6, 2025Mar 6 It has always been in our national security interests to insert ourselves to promote Western style democracy when possible to counter Soviet agression. It's a policy that democrats and republican presidents all understood until now.
March 6, 2025Mar 6 19 minutes ago, MidMoFo said: They will double down on the "Zelensky is a dictator” propaganda… Not going to work. The leverage Trump has is connected with taking away all support military, financial, and intelligence and then trying to wait out Zelensky.
March 6, 2025Mar 6 17 minutes ago, UK Eagle said: No. It is possible to argue that Chamberlain's appeasement allowed the UK to build up forces, equipment, etc because we were woefully out of depth (as we are today). But I don't like him at all. You can also argue that Chamberlain being so poor allowed a personality like Churchill to get in due to how dire things were. Hindsight and all that Its an anecdote of how perhaps Russia sees what is being done in Ukraine with EU/NATO membership, as you would if they did that in Cuba. Understand why Putin thinks as he does, helps to predict future behaviours. It doesn't justify his invasion of Ukraine at all Why did the US feel the need to meddle in Eastern European politics in 2014 with the Maidan revolution? What was the purpose of it? What were the Bush/Obama admins hoping to achieve from 2008 onwards in Ukraine and Eastern Europe, other than destabilising it for your benefit? Let's be real. Ukraine made the decision to pivot once the Govt in charge were amenable to NATO.
March 6, 2025Mar 6 21 minutes ago, DrPhilly said: Not going to work. The leverage Trump has is connected with taking away all support military, financial, and intelligence and then trying to wait out Zelensky. It will work on the rubes (his support here). Putin’s goal is to be rid of Zelensky, who won’t surrender, and put a puppet in his place. So that is what trump will do. Support for Ukraine from the US is over. Europe will have to defend Ukraine until the US wakes up. That’s a minimum of two years, probably four, if at all.
March 6, 2025Mar 6 5 hours ago, UK Eagle said: Why did the US feel the need to meddle in Eastern European politics in 2014 with the Maidan revolution? What was the purpose of it? What were the Bush/Obama admins hoping to achieve from 2008 onwards in Ukraine and Eastern Europe, other than destabilising it for your benefit? Let's be real. Ukraine made the decision to pivot once the Govt in charge were amenable to NATO. Are you suggesting the US caused the Maiden revolution? That's a preposterous take. The Nuland conversation is the strongest evidence, and even that is a stretch to say the discussion was about installing some pro-western government as opposed to diplomats discussing what they'd like to be pushing for. The Maiden uprising happened because Yanukovych was yanked back towards Russia by Putin. Keep in mind that the Orange revolution was less than 10 years prior, and resulted likewise in an election of a pro-Western government. Putin and Russia meddled in Ukrainian politics to a FAR greater degree than the west was even capable of at the time. Yanukovych threw his 2010 opponent (Tymoshenko) in freaking jail FFS. Let's be real. Ukraine was and is a very divided country with the eastern side quite pro-Russian and the western side quite pro-West. Acting like the US is some major causal factor in the Maiden uprising is laughable at best.
March 6, 2025Mar 6 Honestly it's weirdly comforting knowing that there are silly geese in other Western countries too.
March 6, 2025Mar 6 7 hours ago, Mike030270 said: Oompa Loompa actually thinks Ukraine is the enemy and Russia/Putin are his friend. The MAGA idiots will quickly fall in line and Regan is rolling in his grave as Trump craps on his foreign policy legacy.
March 6, 2025Mar 6 7 hours ago, DrPhilly said: I think it always works best to ask the question "what's in it for Donald Trump?". It really is the only thing that matters to him. The way I see it he is motivated by personal fame and power and that's it. Not country, friends, and not his businesses. His money is only a tool that he uses. Yep, with Ukraine all Trump cares about is being able to say that he got a peace deal done. Not f's given about if its something sustainable. Whats the quickest way there - bully Ukraine into it. Putin is all to happy take a few years off as in return he gets Trump implementing his core foreign policy of weakening NATO and the Western Alliance. He will go again once Trump is gone and thats OK by Trump. The rest of the world now knows this. Unfortunately US just won't be dependable for the next four years.....no Western Alliance President / PM will say this publically because US is suppsoed to be the effective leader for all these partnerships and frameworks that have endured since WWII and the current president being a man-child who throws more daily tantrums than a toddler. But they are all just hoping to manage the situation as best as possible and ride thing out for the next four years till we get an adult is back in office.
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