March 8, 2025Mar 8 6 minutes ago, barho said: Diehard has overtaken as the worst poster on CVON from Kz. Congrats! I remember after Jan 6th when he put his tail between his legs. It is going to be FAR worse for him this time around.
March 8, 2025Mar 8 Just now, Diehardfan said: What does he have to give up? Like Trump said we'll try to get back as much land as possible. Yeah, he is using NK troops, but he is a dictator with no issues wasting people's lives. What do you think he is giving up from a position of weakness? The main thing should be a real security guarantee and some sort of demilitarized zone that includes NATO forces on one side. That would do it for me.
March 8, 2025Mar 8 2 hours ago, Diehardfan said: Ukraine has a choice surrender or get it's ass kicked while e watch. Enough is enough. My guy is in charge. Have a stroke over it if you want. That's what is going to happen and it's the right move. My side has won, yes. Yes, and your side includes Putin. Three spheres of influence with Putin controlling Europe and aligned with NA/SA Trump against China.
March 8, 2025Mar 8 5 minutes ago, DrPhilly said: The main thing should be a real security guarantee and some sort of demilitarized zone that includes NATO forces on one side. That would do it for me. In a perfect world, sure. He won't go for that. So what now?
March 8, 2025Mar 8 4 minutes ago, Diehardfan said: In a perfect world, sure. He won't go for that. So what now? Then continue to grind him. I'm 100% behind a reasonable peace deal but giving Putin everything is NOT such a deal. What is it you are trying to accomplish? US lives are not being lost and the Ukrainians are very committed to continuing to defend their country. The support to continue in Ukraine is off the charts high.
March 8, 2025Mar 8 4 minutes ago, DrPhilly said: Then continue to grind him. I'm 100% behind a reasonable peace deal but giving Putin everything is NOT such a deal. What is it you are trying to accomplish? US lives are not being lost and the Ukrainians are very committed to continuing to defend their country. The support to continue in Ukraine is off the charts high. Continue to grind him at the expense of Ukrainians being conscripted and forced to fight who don't want to? Okay, well they can do it without our equipment or money. Europe can take the wheel. I'm good with that. If they end up fighting on the ground we aren't responding.
March 8, 2025Mar 8 4 minutes ago, Diehardfan said: Continue to grind him at the expense of Ukrainians being conscripted and forced to fight who don't want to? Okay, well they can do it without our equipment or money. Europe can take the wheel. I'm good with that. If they end up fighting on the ground we aren't responding. You keep pushing that line but the reality is that Ukrainians overwhelmingly support the defense of their homeland. Of course there are some people that don't want to fight as is ALWAYS the case EVERYWHERE when it comes to conscription and war. If Trump put a plan together to taper off US financial support then that would be one thing. Just flipping a light switch and specifically taking away the intelligence info all the while conceding key negotiation points to Putin even before the discussions started is bull sheet. Your plan is to simply concede Europe to Putin if that's that Putin wants over the next couple of decades. He has the might to take the Baltics and Maldova along with Ukraine in the quite near term.
March 8, 2025Mar 8 2 minutes ago, DrPhilly said: You keep pushing that line but the reality is that Ukrainians overwhelmingly support the defense of their homeland. Of course there are some people that don't want to fight as is ALWAYS the case EVERYWHERE when it comes to conscription and war. If Trump put a plan together to taper off US financial support then that would be one thing. Just flipping a light switch and specifically taking away the intelligence info all the while conceding key negotiation points to Putin even before the discussions started is bull sheet. Your plan is to simply concede Europe to Putin if that's that Putin wants over the next couple of decades. He has the might to take the Baltics and Maldova along with Ukraine in the quite near term. Good post. I generally agree with all of this. You should probably bookmark this post fyi
March 8, 2025Mar 8 17 minutes ago, DrPhilly said: You keep pushing that line but the reality is that Ukrainians overwhelmingly support the defense of their homeland. Of course there are some people that don't want to fight as is ALWAYS the case EVERYWHERE when it comes to conscription and war. If Trump put a plan together to taper off US financial support then that would be one thing. Just flipping a light switch and specifically taking away the intelligence info all the while conceding key negotiation points to Putin even before the discussions started is bull sheet. Your plan is to simply concede Europe to Putin if that's that Putin wants over the next couple of decades. He has the might to take the Baltics and Maldova along with Ukraine in the quite near term. I couldn't disagree more. Trump is driving. We'll see.
March 8, 2025Mar 8 55 minutes ago, paco said: Can’t argue with that logic It honestly is. We are done helping Z until he gets serious and NATO troops on the ground as security is a non starter. Deal is it ends and we get as much land back as possible
March 8, 2025Mar 8 4 hours ago, Diehardfan said: And how do you suggest that happen? Just tell them FO and that will be enough? Only way that happens is if we go to war. Ukraine won't be able to repel them regardless of how much money and tanks we send. We clip some NK conscription troops and maybe we can end up in a war with them and China, right? Forcing both sides to the table is the right move. Sure bring them to the table. But the only solution is for the invading force to leave. If not continue to supply Ukraine and keep Biden’s sanctions. The left over supplies we have sent haven’t weakened our country at all. The money given haven’t hurt Americans at all. You just want to old man yelling at cloud because trump tells you to be upset.
March 8, 2025Mar 8 1 minute ago, 20dawk4life said: Sure bring them to the table. But the only solution is for the invading force to leave. If not continue to supply Ukraine and keep Biden’s sanctions. The left over supplies we have sent haven’t weakened our country at all. The money given haven’t hurt Americans at all. You just want to old man yelling at cloud because trump tells you to be upset. They’re too brainwashed to realize that the cost of not supporting Europe and our allies will far out weigh the cost of supporting them.
March 8, 2025Mar 8 4 minutes ago, 20dawk4life said: Sure bring them to the table. But the only solution is for the invading force to leave. If not continue to supply Ukraine and keep Biden’s sanctions. The left over supplies we have sent haven’t weakened our country at all. The money given haven’t hurt Americans at all. You just want to old man yelling at cloud because trump tells you to be upset. We agree. They leave, but they aren't giving it all back.
March 8, 2025Mar 8 3 hours ago, DrPhilly said: The main thing should be a real security guarantee and some sort of demilitarized zone that includes NATO forces on one side. That would do it for me. Putin would never agree
March 8, 2025Mar 8 28 minutes ago, Diehardfan said: It honestly is. We are done helping Z until he gets serious and NATO troops on the ground as security is a non starter. Deal is it ends and we get as much land back as possible How does it feel to abandon your country?
March 8, 2025Mar 8 23 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said: How does it feel to abandon your country? Lol whatever. My country was going off the rails. It is back now. I'm not sorry the one you were rooting for it to become is gone. I do not support this needlessly continuing and I'm not sorry.
March 8, 2025Mar 8 5 minutes ago, DrPhilly said: Then no deal Awesome. We can sit with popcorn and watch.
March 8, 2025Mar 8 3 minutes ago, Diehardfan said: My country was going off the rails. No, it wasn't. The autistic screeching from the right over DEI and the 3 trans athletes in college sports was completely disproportional. Yes the left is wrong on these and many other things, but MAGA cucks represent a far greater threat to the stability and health of this nation. And it's not even close.
March 8, 2025Mar 8 4 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: No, it wasn't. The autistic screeching from the right over DEI and the 3 trans athletes in college sports was completely disproportional. Yes the left is wrong on these and many other things, but MAGA cucks represent a far greater threat to the stability and health of this nation. And it's not even close. Sure was and that is why she got her ass kicked. It wasn’t Trump love it was this crap is nuts I'm voting against the insanity. Every swing state and the popular vote. You and others can't accept reality.
March 8, 2025Mar 8 5 minutes ago, Diehardfan said: Sure was and that is why she got her ass kicked. It wasn’t Trump love it was this crap is nuts I'm voting against the insanity. Every swing state and the popular vote. You and others can't accept reality. are the DEI hires and trans athletes in the room with you now?
March 8, 2025Mar 8 3 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: are the DEI hires and trans athletes in the room with you now? I'm in the mountains after a hike. Lot of granola from Cali so probably.
March 8, 2025Mar 8 23 minutes ago, Diehardfan said: Awesome. We can sit with popcorn and watch. Trump will have you focused on Canada, Greenland, and Trumpaza
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