August 29Aug 29 58 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:Oh no!!! They've spoken and it's in the news!!! I was told they should not do that. There is no point and it can only make things worse!Actually, we need more of this. And it needs to be louder.Meh, you suggested they should publicly call out and push Trump. Nothing in that post from Frankfurteagle does any of that. I stick with my position that they shouldn't be calling Trump out in public "at this point in time". On the other hand, they should most definitely be pushing hard privately.
August 29Aug 29 7 minutes ago, Frankfurteagle89 said:I for one never said that they shouldn’t speak up in the news. I did say that there is really no point in doing so, as it will not push Trump do put more pressure on Putin.I stand by that and I’ll be the first to congratulate you if I’m wrong. It will take waaaaaaaaaaaaaay more than that to make Trump turn on Putin. I think only some internal, domestic pressure could make him turn on his buddy in crime.I agree itll take much more. This was only 2 people from the meeting, and here is moreYahoo NewsWith Putin 'stalling' peace talks, NATO minister says US...Dovile Sakaliene told ABC News Putin is 'pretending' to engage in peace talks.It looks like those leaders are finally listening to me. I would have this war stopped in 3 days.
August 29Aug 29 3 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:Meh, you suggested they should publicly call out and push Trump. Nothing in that post from Frankfurteagle does any of that. I stick with my position that they shouldn't be calling Trump out in public "at this point in time". On the other hand, they should most definitely be pushing hard privately.I dont know what you in your warped CVON mind read as "call out" Trump. I never said call out.Basically, exactly what Frankfurt posted, and what I just posted is exactly what I was hoping for.As these leaders continue to come out and say hey, nothing has happened. Nothing has come from our meeting. Russia is still attacking, and not agreeing to a meeting. It will force Trump to respond. It needs to be public, in the news because otherwise he does not have to respond publicly, and then there is no embarrassment for him if things dont happen. They cant allow talks to continue in private (if they are happening at all), while Turmp controls the public narrative.
August 29Aug 29 2 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:I dont know what you in your warped CVON mind read as "call out" Trump. I never said call out.Basically, exactly what Frankfurt posted, and what I just posted is exactly what I was hoping for.As these leaders continue to come out and say hey, nothing has happened. Nothing has come from our meeting. Russia is still attacking, and not agreeing to a meeting. It will force Trump to respond. It needs to be public, in the news because otherwise he does not have to respond publicly, and then there is no embarrassment for him if things dont happen. They cant allow talks to continue in private (if they are happening at all), while Turmp controls the public narrative."Push" was the word you used if I remember correctly. There is most certainly no "push" toward Trump in the post from Frankfurt.
August 29Aug 29 6 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:"Push" was the word you used if I remember correctly. There is most certainly no "push" toward Trump in the post from Frankfurt.You just dont understand what I was implying, even though I described it without just using the term push which otherwise could have been broadly interpreted. Dont know what to tell you.See the article I posted where the lady says nothing is happening, and the US has leverage and sanctions can have "nuclear" effects (meaning in a good way for Ukraine, not as in nuclear war starting). Those are the things that need to be out there in the american media. So trump gets asked about those comments and has to respond to them. He needs to be pushed to say things so that he otherwise deals with embarrassment when his words do not become reality. There is nothing more motivating to him than embarrassment. Its not up to the leaders to embarrass him. Its up to them to make him say things and basically set his own trap to avoid embarrassing himself. Not sure if you get it yet, or if you ever will. I dont know how much more it can be explained. Soon youll ask and ask and ask and get pissed when I tell you Ive already explained many times.
August 29Aug 29 27 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:I agree itll take much more. This was only 2 people from the meeting, and here is moreYahoo NewsWith Putin 'stalling' peace talks, NATO minister says US...Dovile Sakaliene told ABC News Putin is 'pretending' to engage in peace talks.It looks like those leaders are finally listening to me. I would have this war stopped in 3 days.Not laughing at your response that it needs more public attention, which I can somewhat see from your perspective now. Sure, bringing it more out into the open could make Trump answer more questions that he doesn’t like, so not in disagreement here. I just don’t think it will have the impact that we all hope for. Like I said, I would rather you be right than wrong here. I’m skeptical though, as this has dragged on way too long and it’s an easy decision to make for him at this stage.At least you don’t claim to end the war in one day… you made it three, so you’re a bit more modest than the holy orange leader.😆😆
August 29Aug 29 2 minutes ago, Frankfurteagle89 said:Not laughing at your response that it needs more public attention, which I can somewhat see from your perspective now. Sure, bringing it more out into the open could make Trump answer more questions that he doesn’t like, so not in disagreement here. I just don’t think it will have the impact that we all hope for. Like I said, I would rather you be right than wrong here. I’m skeptical though, as this has dragged on way too long and it’s an easy decision to make for him at this stage.At least you don’t claim to end the war in one day… you made it three, so you’re a bit more modest than the holy orange leader.😆😆I deal in rationality. Thats why I am better than Trump, and also why I dont fit in here.
August 29Aug 29 Boom. Europe is actually deciding to try to do something more themselves. They are wising up. Just because they need our help doesnt mean there isnt more they can be doing. Finally...Yahoo NewsOutraged over Russian strike on Kyiv, European defense le...European defense ministers are meeting in Copenhagen to discuss the war in Ukraine, the day after a Russian air assault on Kyiv killed 23 people and badly damaged a European diplomatic compound. O...
August 29Aug 29 Just now, HazletonEagle said:I deal in rationality. Thats why I am better than Trump, and also why I dont fit in here.Being better than Trump isn’t really a gold standard.😅 Problem with rationality these days is that it’s gone out the window with all the mess that dude in the WH has caused. 99% doesn’t make sense and isn’t rational.But I get your talking point of putting it more out into the public. Problem I see with that is that most people in the US don’t really care much about this issue, which is totally understandable. They have way more important things to be concerned about these days domestically. So even if you hear more news about this unhinged war, it really wouldn’t cause much public outrage. Even Fox News is not on the side of the Putin narrative and it has no impact whatsoever.
August 29Aug 29 2 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:Boom. Europe is actually deciding to try to do something more themselves. They are wising up. Just because they need our help doesnt mean there isnt more they can be doing. Finally...What are you talking about? Europe has been doing things ever since the start of the war. Europe should have been doing a lot more prior to Putin invading but this type of measure isn't a new thing.
August 29Aug 29 4 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:Boom. Europe is actually deciding to try to do something more themselves. They are wising up.Yahoo NewsOutraged over Russian strike on Kyiv, European defense le...European defense ministers are meeting in Copenhagen to discuss the war in Ukraine, the day after a Russian air assault on Kyiv killed 23 people and badly damaged a European diplomatic compound. O...They’ve done this many times before. It’s not Europe that needs to change their stance, it’s the US administration - aka POTUS.
August 29Aug 29 6 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:What are you talking about? Europe has been doing things ever since the start of the war. Europe should have been doing a lot more prior to Putin invading but this type of measure isn't a new thing.Correct. And yet, what I said is still also correct. Incredible concept isnt it?
August 29Aug 29 7 minutes ago, Frankfurteagle89 said:They’ve done this many times before. It’s not Europe that needs to change their stance, it’s the US administration - aka POTUS.Also correct about the US.But Europe needs to get louder since the meeting, and now they are. Their opportunity is now to capitalize on the momentum (from the meeting), or at least what was sold to us as momentum. It would be very wrong for them to continue sitting quietly and watch all the inaction, and take part in it themselves. The US is. Europe is being smarter, like I wanted them to be.
August 29Aug 29 2 minutes ago, Frankfurteagle89 said:They’ve done this many times before. It’s not Europe that needs to change their stance, it’s the US administration - aka POTUS.Exactly and that's the issue here. Noting that there is no imminent meeting upcoming between Z and Putin is something anyone can see and US reporters will eventually get around to bringing it up. That may happen quicker if the Euro leaders keep the topic in the news but it won't amount to anything tangible from Trump. Remember that Trump has already said the ball is in the Z/Putin court and made it clear he wasn't going to be the one driving and pushing for meeting details to be agreed on. It all plays right into Putin's hands. To change that would require Trump to actually follow thru on sanctions, upgraded weapons to Ukraine, financial support for Ukraine, etc. etc. All the things he occasionally threatens but then always backs out on.Euro leaders are stuck between a rock and a hard place. If they go on offense and really start pushing Trump and loudly suggesting that Trump take action then that will surely only serve to tweak Trump negatively and it will be the open disagreement type stuff within NATO that just helps Putin. On the other hand, if they lay low as they have done now then it just continues to push the can down the road.This is all on Trump at this point while Europe moves thru their defense buildup.
August 29Aug 29 4 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:Correct. And yet, what I said is still also correct. Incredible concept isnt it?Clearly your 1st post was not correct but you do you mate
August 29Aug 29 Just now, DrPhilly said:Clearly your 1st post was not correct but you do you mateI know youre living abroad, but English was your first language correct? Im trying to find some reason to give you benefit of the doubt for your illiteracy.
August 29Aug 29 47 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:I know youre living abroad, but English was your first language correct? Im trying to find some reason to give you benefit of the doubt for your illiteracy.Like I said, you do you
August 29Aug 29 We've now reached the part where HE's pretending he was just trolling all along and never actually attempted to defend Trump after he got dog walked by Putin for 37th time. Hate to see it.
August 29Aug 29 1 hour ago, we_gotta_believe said:We've now reached the part where HE's pretending he was just trolling all along and never actually attempted to defend Trump after he got dog walked by Putin for 37th time. Hate to see it.Wrong
August 29Aug 29 1 hour ago, JohnSnowsHair said:Yeah, "pestering Trump like crazy" is definitely the thing EU leaders should be doing. It's not like that would backfire.And it's not like Trump should already know what he needs to do. Can't be that he's too chicken**** to do it.He refuses to accept that his seat of the pants diplomacy will never, ever work against Putin. It's going to take the type of long term, steadfast strategy he ahs no idea how to employ.3 hours ago, we_gotta_believe said:We've now reached the part where HE's pretending he was just trolling all along and never actually attempted to defend Trump after he got dog walked by Putin for 37th time. Hate to see it.HE also refuses to accept it.
August 29Aug 29 33 minutes ago, dawkins4prez said:He refuses to accept that his seat of the pants diplomacy will never, ever work against Putin. It's going to take the type of long term, steadfast strategy he ahs no idea how to employ.HE also refuses to accept it.I'm loving in reality here. Not your made up fantasy world. No I dont accept the made up narratives of idiots.
August 29Aug 29 Is this war over yet? Our President promised us 24 hrs after he took office it would be over.If it isn’t I guess he is a low energy weakling that is being made a fool of on the world stage. Seems about right.
August 29Aug 29 1 hour ago, HazletonEagle said:I'm loving in reality here. Not your made up fantasy world. No I dont accept the made up narratives of idiots.look I don't give a flying F exactly where on the Trump apologist scale you land. If AT ANY POINT IN TIME you believed the "countdown" or the putin finger f'ing or the Euro leaders coming to town was going to produce something productive then I regret to tell you, YOU FELL FOR IT AGAIN. As always, he has left you here picking up the pieces trying to explain/excuse it while he has already moved on to the next bumbleF in Venezuela.
August 29Aug 29 10 minutes ago, dawkins4prez said:look I don't give a flying F exactly where on the Trump apologist scale you land. If AT ANY POINT IN TIME you believed the "countdown" or the putin finger f'ing or the Euro leaders coming to town was going to produce something productive then I regret to tell you, YOU FELL FOR IT AGAIN. As always, he has left you here picking up the pieces trying to explain/excuse it while he has already moved on to the next bumbleF in Venezuela.Like I said, I had no expectations. Pay attention.
August 29Aug 29 5 hours ago, we_gotta_believe said:We've now reached the part where HE's pretending he was just trolling all along and never actually attempted to defend Trump after he got dog walked by Putin for 37th time. Hate to see it.13 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:Like I said, I had no expectations. Pay attention.Called it
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