2 minutes ago, D-Shiznit said:

Giants and Miami are publicly out, at this point Carolina is the only real competition.

Price is dropping, get it done Howie.

4 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Price is dropping, get it done Howie.

I can't believe you guys are even discussing a trade for him.  Personally, I think it's ok to knock a woman unconscious on camera, punch the pregnant mother of my child in the gut, and break that child's arm at a later date.  None of that is morally corrupt, but trading for Watson definitely is, and so are all of you.  

 

 

2 hours ago, EaglesAddict said:

Just out of curiosity...Do you guys have any "superstition" or thought process that a QB with the baggage that Watson has could ever win a Super Bowl, regardless of his talent level?  In the sense that he is now basically universally viewed as a "bad guy" by the general public along with any impact all this has had on his mental state (seriously). 

Do "bad guys" move on to become "champions"?  This may make you refer to Ben Roethlisberger, who had 2 sexual assault charges, but they were back in 2009 and 2010.  The last SB Big Ben and the Steelers won was in 2008.  Not exactly the same as Watson, but who is the last "bad guy"...particularly at the QB position....to lead his team to a Championship?

 

No.  I don't believe in superstitions or karma to begin with.  But bad people win in sports.  Ray Lewis murdered a guy, Big Ben sexually assaulted women, Warren Sapp threw a woman down a flight of stairs in college, etc.  These guys win championships despite illegal and immoral behavior.

On 1/27/2022 at 11:16 AM, What The F said:

Hey….yo

On 1/27/2022 at 4:26 PM, EaglesAddict said:

True.  Vick was definitely viewed as a bad guy, but at least he "served his time" and did a lot to try and restore his image for the better.  If Watson settles his cases without any definitive resolution as to did he/didn't he, there will always be a dark cloud hanging over his head.  

Personally, I'm out on Watson.  But, I'm not so sure the Eagles are...

 

On 1/27/2022 at 6:19 PM, NOTW said:

No.  I don't believe in superstitions or karma to begin with.  But bad people win in sports.  Ray Lewis murdered a guy, Big Ben sexually assaulted women, Warren Sapp threw a woman down a flight of stairs in college, etc.  These guys win championships despite illegal and immoral behavior.

Yeah I just find it hard to believe that Lurie, a big player in the media industry, would sanction a trade for Watson unless something comprehensively changes about his situation. I know there have been rumours both ways, but I've not heard anything that suggests the Eagles have done more than an exploratory phone call, which I would expect in any event.

Personally I'm out on Watson and would be really disappointed if the Eagles traded for him. 

And that's before getting into the cap and draft pick resources we would need to give up which I also think would make a trade unworkable.

 

32 minutes ago, ManchesterEagle said:

 

Yeah I just find it hard to believe that Lurie, a big player in the media industry, would sanction a trade for Watson unless something comprehensively changes about his situation. I know there have been rumours both ways, but I've not heard anything that suggests the Eagles have done more than an exploratory phone call, which I would expect in any event.

Personally I'm out on Watson and would be really disappointed if the Eagles traded for him. 

And that's before getting into the cap and draft pick resources we would need to give up which I also think would make a trade unworkable.

 

it's an unfortunate truth...talent/skill often wins out over the "off the field" stuff....SOMEONE will sign Antonio Brown next season as they will be lured by his skill...Evander Kane of the NHL...has pending sexual assault charges at the moment and the Edmonton Oilers just signed him to a contract...

Lurie does seem to be a little more sensitive to the social climate and peoples' perceptions...and given that there seem to be multiple reports from multiple people regarding Watson...that may be enough to dissuade him from exploring him as an option

19 minutes ago, flyerdog said:

it's an unfortunate truth...talent/skill often wins out over the "off the field" stuff....SOMEONE will sign Antonio Brown next season as they will be lured by his skill...Evander Kane of the NHL...has pending sexual assault charges at the moment and the Edmonton Oilers just signed him to a contract...

Lurie does seem to be a little more sensitive to the social climate and peoples' perceptions...and given that there seem to be multiple reports from multiple people regarding Watson...that may be enough to dissuade him from exploring him as an option

I would hope Lurie is like John Mara:

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"We're not trading for Deshaun Watson," Mara said when asked of speculation linking the former Pro Bowler to New York. "There are so many reasons why we wouldn't do that. Cap-wise, we couldn't afford it, but more importantly, with the allegations that are out there right now, that's just not the right fit for us."

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/giants-co-owner-john-mara-rules-out-trade-for-deshaun-watson-there-are-so-many-reasons-we-wouldnt-do-that/

Not familiar with this guy, so TIFWIW.

Hurts, Dillard, 1 x 1st this year and a second rounder next year is the best I would part with....

 

NO NO to 3 x 1st rounders + players etc..

9 hours ago, D-Shiznit said:

Not familiar with this guy, so TIFWIW.

He is a fan of Hurts so it actually sounds more believable than previous rumors to me. I doubt it would be a good move but it is what it is.

19 hours ago, flyerdog said:

it's an unfortunate truth...talent/skill often wins out over the "off the field" stuff....SOMEONE will sign Antonio Brown next season as they will be lured by his skill...Evander Kane of the NHL...has pending sexual assault charges at the moment and the Edmonton Oilers just signed him to a contract...

Lurie does seem to be a little more sensitive to the social climate and peoples' perceptions...and given that there seem to be multiple reports from multiple people regarding Watson...that may be enough to dissuade him from exploring him as an option

Does Evander Kane have sexual assault charges pending?  He has a boatload of red flags (assaulting women, gambling, bankruptcy) but no sexual assault charges, sports record on domestic violence / violence against women is genuinely lamentable but criminal sexual assault charges do tend to be a red line that holds.

I don't believe that Howie is dumb enough to trade for a guy who has 10 criminal allegations under investigation that likely don't clear before the 2022 season starts and whose $37million 2023 salary goes fully guaranteed in March.  That's not a PR / how do we sell this problem that's a potentially throwing millions of dollars of your bosses money on a bonfire problem.

Dude's got more baggage than Melania on a cruise.  Hasn't played football in a year.  He's a freelancer with physical skills not quite in the Mahomes/Allen class.  I fail to understand how Watson has leverage at this point, he's closer to being blackballed out of the league Kaepernick style.  I also fail to see how the Texans have any leverage, at this point you'd think they'd give him up for 4th rdr + future conditionals just to get rid of the contract and the headache.

9 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Ahh politically slanted posters.  Gotta love them.....not really. 

 

 

Difference between him and Kaepernick is Kaepernick was a crap passer, like the one we have in philly now.  But I agree...I wouldn't push all our chips in on this guy.  I think we're stuck in QB purgatory for a while.  

It was more a joke about supermodels than anything political if that makes you feel better.  

 

Now I get the difference in performance but Kaep was a SB qb and arguably more physically talented (stronger arm for sure).  Let's face it the dude was blackballed and could  only coem back under very specific circumstances that he wasn't able to wrangle from any team.  This case is even more closer to Michael Vick, and Vick also had to come back under very specific circumstances.

 

Watson and the Texans are facing the prospect of Watson not playing for TWO years, and at that point the value plummets to almost nothing no matter who you think he is/was.  If Howie is kicking the tires on this its probably a low ball offer, not multiple 1st's.

2 hours ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

Does Evander Kane have sexual assault charges pending?  He has a boatload of red flags (assaulting women, gambling, bankruptcy) but no sexual assault charges, sports record on domestic violence / violence against women is genuinely lamentable but criminal sexual assault charges do tend to be a red line that holds.

I don't believe that Howie is dumb enough to trade for a guy who has 10 criminal allegations under investigation that likely don't clear before the 2022 season starts and whose $37million 2023 salary goes fully guaranteed in March.  That's not a PR / how do we sell this problem that's a potentially throwing millions of dollars of your bosses money on a bonfire problem.

...they are being investigated... it's one thing if there is one incident..but like Watson there seems to be multiple complaints..he was cleared of the gambling issue...I agree about Watson....people will invariably compare this (albeit incorrectly) to the Michael Vick situation..but I think it's completely different.

 

And regardless of what actually happened...I hope that the TRUTH..whatever that may be is manifested

On 1/27/2022 at 10:49 AM, EaglesAddict said:

Just out of curiosity...Do you guys have any "superstition" or thought process that a QB with the baggage that Watson has could ever win a Super Bowl, regardless of his talent level?  In the sense that he is now basically universally viewed as a "bad guy" by the general public along with any impact all this has had on his mental state (seriously). 

Do "bad guys" move on to become "champions"?  This may make you refer to Ben Roethlisberger, who had 2 sexual assault charges, but they were back in 2009 and 2010.  The last SB Big Ben and the Steelers won was in 2008.  Not exactly the same as Watson, but who is the last "bad guy"...particularly at the QB position....to lead his team to a Championship?

 

Sure he could. 

What's more alarming is that news has surfaced stating Texans' management was complicit in setting up his massages, while being fully aware of his sexual advances/acts.  If true, it all but stamps the Texans coordinated everything once Deshuan wanted out. 

5 minutes ago, MF POON said:

Sure he could. 

What's more alarming is that news has surfaced stating Texans' management was complicit in setting up his massages, while being fully aware of his sexual advances/acts.  If true, it all but stamps the Texans coordinated everything once Deshuan wanted out. 

is sexual assault even a crime in Texas? just wondering....

2 hours ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Spare me the blackballed BULL.  He was a **** of a teammate and would have brought a media circus where ever he went.  Not to mention his play on the field declined severely and was a backup before he started to pull his "look at me" act.  I think NFL teams have shown as a whole, not to care about the character of a guy if they can still play.  Josh Gordon, AB, Tyreek Hill.....ect.....If they can play, they'll get on the field.  Black balling a guy for kneeling is a ridiculous conspiracy theory, race-baiting sheep bought into.  And Yes, tools wise he had more than Hurts does.  No doubt.  

 

I also agree with Watson.  There are numerous red flags, not just the ones where some ladies of the night banded together because he didn't tip good enough or he was a jerk.  Which is what I believe has happened with him.  There's a reason why he didn't want to sign a NDA.  That's because he knows he's not the predator he's being made out to be.  

But teams would look longer at him more than Kaep because of his passing ability.  I'll agree, the more time goes by the more his value plummets.  I would rather we not go down that road.  

He was 11-24 as a starter his last 3 years in the league. 28-30 overall.  He was never that good.

I havent read much into the facts that are known about all this so someone help me out... Is he being accused of an actual crime/sexual assault? Or, is he being accused of being a scumbag and offering cash for rub n tug?  Big difference... 

3 minutes ago, downundermike said:

He was 11-24 as a starter his last 3 years in the league. 28-30 overall.  He was never that good.

Probably had nothing to do with his team giving up the most points in the league for like 3 years in a row, right? Like 30+ ppg.. 

https://www.nfl.com/players/deshaun-watson/stats/career

 

Never that good............. lmao. 

29 minutes ago, downundermike said:

He was 11-24 as a starter his last 3 years in the league. 28-30 overall.  He was never that good.

He was still hands down a top 30-40 Qb in a league that still employs the likes of Mike Glennon.  The schism was in him not wanting to be paid backup money.  The high price plus the off field drama was too much to pull the trigger for any of the handful of teams that was even willing to touch him.

40 minutes ago, MF POON said:

Sure he could. 

What's more alarming is that news has surfaced stating Texans' management was complicit in setting up his massages, while being fully aware of his sexual advances/acts.  If true, it all but stamps the Texans coordinated everything once Deshuan wanted out. 

Interesting.  But, isn't there proof that Watson was flying therapists in from around the country on his own?  I doubt that ALL of this massage therapists were coordinated by Houston.

There's a difference between sexual assault and being a scumbag trying to get extras from a masseuse.  It remains to be seen which of those Watson really is guilty of.  If he's cleared of sexual assault and he's just guilty of poor taste, there is no reason in the world why we shouldn't be in on him.  Hurts was trash and Watson on his worst day is better than Hurts has been.

And Kaepernick....lol.  He was Hurts on steroids.  Great physical attributes and could scramble for days but was an atrocious passer.  And unfortunately for him, you can't be an atrocious passer when you're a QB and one of your main responsibilities is throwing the ball. 

People forget just how dominant that Niners defense was. 

2 hours ago, What The F said:

I havent read much into the facts that are known about all this so someone help me out... Is he being accused of an actual crime/sexual assault? Or, is he being accused of being a scumbag and offering cash for rub n tug?  Big difference... 

 

9 minutes ago, hukdonfoniks said:

There's a difference between sexual assault and being a scumbag trying to get extras from a masseuse.  It remains to be seen which of those Watson really is guilty of.  If he's cleared of sexual assault and he's just guilty of poor taste, there is no reason in the world why we shouldn't be in on him.  Hurts was trash and Watson on his worst day is better than Hurts has been.

This SI article is from May explaining the lawsuits and the claims.  I bolded the portions that cite specifically what they're claiming he did.  I haven't really followed the story but this sums it up pretty well.

This seems like a "where there's smoke, there's fire" situation.  Nothing may come of it legally, but I wouldn't want this scumbag on my team.

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What is Watson accused of?

The lawsuits say that Watson sexually harassed and assaulted a number of massage therapists. The specific accusations are wide-ranging but include descriptions of him exposing himself without consent, forcing women into sexual acts and making veiled threats.

"Watson's behavior is part of a disturbing pattern of preying on vulnerable women," one of the lawsuits says.

One lawsuit, for instance, says that Watson "assaulted and harassed Plaintiff by exposing himself to her and touching her with his P." The massage therapist says the incident, which took place at a house in Los Angeles last July, occurred after Watson grabbed her hands and guided them toward his genitals before forcing them onto his P. He then, according to the lawsuit, attempted to "get her to pleasure him."

One of the lawsuits filed on March 30 details an incident in Arizona where Watson made "obscene sexual requests" to the plaintiff, a massage therapist, including "request[ing] she penetrate his anus with her fingers and to massage him there."

Another lawsuit, stemming from incidents that took place last summer, alleges that during the massage sessions, "Watson assaulted and harassed the Plaintiff by grabbing Plaintiff's buttocks and V, touching her with his P and trying to force her to perform oral sex on him."

The latest lawsuit (No. 22) alleges that Watson "assaulted and harassed Plaintiff by touching her with his P and exposing himself." It also claims that Watson has "used more than fifty different women for massages," adding that "some made clear that they were unlicensed, and others made sure they did not specialize in massage therapy."

More than 11 lawsuits allege that Watson exposed himself, while at least 12 filings assert that he touched women with his P, either once or repeatedly. At least four lawsuits allege that Watson forced himself on the women, either by kissing them or via oral sex. 

His "aggressive" behavior, as the lawsuits put it, created a pattern of sexual misconduct where some of the women felt they could not say no or stop him. Almost all cited a desire to protect their own business or the company where they worked.

One woman says in a filing that it was "apparent that Watson wanted the massage for only one reason—sex."

One filing alleges that Watson told a licensed massage therapist that he makes "a lot of massage therapists uncomfortable and it's really hard for me to find someone who will meet my needs." In another case, Watson allegedly told a different licensed massage therapist, "I will not have you sign [an] NDA, but don't ever talk about this."

According to a separate lawsuit, another woman felt threatened when he said, "I know you have a career and a reputation, and I know you would hate for someone to mess with yours, just like I don't want anyone messing with mine."

One of the lawsuits filed  also claims that "as a result of the repeated lawsuits against him, Watson is deleting Instagram messages and contacting those who formally [sic] provided him massages, in an attempt to settle." 

 

 

1 hour ago, EaglesAddict said:

Interesting.  But, isn't there proof that Watson was flying therapists in from around the country on his own?  I doubt that ALL of this massage therapists were coordinated by Houston.

I'm referring to when this all became public knowledge. If true, then Watson shouldn't be the only one going down for this.  Everyone within that franchise who had any involvement, and or knowledge, should face charges and be removed from the league.

2 hours ago, What The F said:

Probably had nothing to do with his team giving up the most points in the league for like 3 years in a row, right? Like 30+ ppg.. 

https://www.nfl.com/players/deshaun-watson/stats/career

 

Never that good............. lmao. 

He is talking about kapernick