October 11, 20223 yr 21 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: Your shoes probably have a mixture of DNA on them, almost certainly your wife's or other family members. Shoes are rarely washed. But that's not to say that DNA from an encounter with someone you fought with that day would've also been present on the shoes and survived a month in the same conditions. If this were DNA recovered from fingernails or on her skin (especially in a body cavity), that'd be a different story. In a court of law, it still helps Syed's case and weakens the prosecution's case, but it's a stretch to say it exonerated him in a court of public opinion. Casey Anthony's DNA was never found in the car or on other evidence either. Cell phone tower data has entered the chat. There was also Adnan and Jay's friend who admitted to helping Jay bury the shovels. The cell phone tower data is faulty evidence LINK Quote Outgoing calls only are reliable for location status. Any incoming calls will NOT be considered reliable information for location. There was DNA evidence left at the scene that does not match Syed. The prosecution of the case falls apart if they can't place him there. They need to find out whose DNA it is and how it got there.
October 11, 20223 yr 33 minutes ago, toolg said: The cell phone tower data is faulty evidence LINK There was DNA evidence left at the scene that does not match Syed. The prosecution of the case falls apart if they can't place him there. They need to find out whose DNA it is and how it got there. Disclaimers of legal inadmissibility are used as a CYA mechanism, to limit the carrier's liability. Real-world accuracy of the pings with at least 3 towers to geolocate the handset has accuracy upwards of 95%. You can get into some corner cases where you're in a fringe area, have interference, or even just hand-offs get timestamped incorrectly and you'd get some weird results in the log data, but that still wouldn't exonerate Syed as the defense would try to claim. Something would have to explain away the log data and they failed to do so (again I'm not referring to the legal standards.) The fact of the matter is, his phone was at or near Leakin Park, that's basically the only way we get the tower pings that were logged. Would be one hell of a coincidence that the handset also happened to belong to the super possessive ex-bf of the victim who didn't have an alibi and had a friend who knew the location of the victim's car and also just so happened to have buried shovels the very same night.
October 11, 20223 yr @toolg I think you'd find very few SMEs who'd argue cell tower pings are faulty enough to produce the results seen in the logs in this case. That phone was in that general area, if not literally in that park itself. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/fbi-agent-cell-tower-data-in-serial-case-accurate/
October 11, 20223 yr After I watched that sham of a documentary, I came across a site online that laid out the most logical timeline that incorporated the cell tower data. It was fairly detailed and showed the implausibility of those towers being pinged when they were and for the length of those calls. I'll see if I can dig it up.
October 11, 20223 yr Not the site I remember seeing, but this reddit post captures a similar level of detail: Also has a link to a picture of the park with the location of the surrounding towers
October 11, 20223 yr @we_gotta_believe Here's quite a lengthy blog post about the cell data pings and those involved: https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/ I feel like Jay has good reason to lie to investigators, to pin it on Adnan to shake the police off of him. He's guilty of something: If not involved with the murder, he's selling drugs to high schoolers. Adnan may know more than he wants to admit; he's trying to get out of conviction.
October 11, 20223 yr 9 minutes ago, toolg said: @we_gotta_believe Here's quite a lengthy blog post about the cell data pings and those involved: https://viewfromll2.com/2014/11/23/serial-a-comparison-of-adnans-cell-phone-records-and-the-witness-statements-provided-by-adnan-jay-jenn-and-cathy/ I feel like Jay has good reason to lie to investigators, to pin it on Adnan to shake the police off of him. He's guilty of something: If not involved with the murder, he's selling drugs to high schoolers. Adnan may know more than he wants to admit; he's trying to get out of conviction. I mean, your site basically agrees with everything I've said... Quote What the Cell Phone Records Show: The 7:09 p.m. and 7:16 p.m. calls are the two most significant calls in the case, because both calls were routed through L689B — which is the tower/antenna whose range is almost exclusively limited to the southwest leg of Leakin Park, where Hae was buried. We can say with almost complete certainty that whoever had the cell phone at that time was in Leakin Park, burying Hae’s body. Why? Because we have independent evidence confirming that Hae was buried between 6:30 p.m. and 8:00 p.m. on January 13, 1999. (1) The first witness statement in the case came from Jenn, in her statement to the police on February 27, 1999, when she told them that Jay asked her to pick him up "some time after eight o’clock” (Episode 6). Jenn said that “[a]fter they’d driven a little ways, Jay mention[ed] shovels. The shovels Adnan had used to dig in the park to bury Hae.” (Episode 4.) She has no apparent motive to lie about the timing of when she picked up Jay, and there is no evidence that she had seen the cell phone records at that point, or was matching her story to them. (2) Cathy, who has no motive to lie and whose testimony could apparently be verified by her boyfriend, Jeff, states that Adnan and Jay were at her house until 6:30 p.m. that evening. So Hae was buried in Leakin Park during that hour-and-a-half window. Of the 52 outgoing and incoming malls made to Adnan’s cell phone on January 12 and 13, 1999, exactly two calls were routed through L689B, which is the tower and antenna that covers the southwest portion of Leakin Park (and covers almost nothing that isn’t Leakin Park). In fact, only one other call was even routed through tower L689, despite the fact it is adjacent to the towers covering Woodlawn and Cathy’s house — and that’s the 4:12 p.m. call, when Jay would have been parking Hae’s car immediately next to Leakin Park, at the Park’n’Ride. This is very strong evidence that the reason the 7:09 and 7:16 p.m. calls were routed from the Leakin Park tower is that the cell phone was, in fact, in Leakin Park. The odds are too much against this being a mere coincidence — because over the course of 48 hours, only two calls are routed through L689B, and both occur precisely within the one-and-a-half hour window in which we know the killer was in Leakin Park burying Hae’s body. This is a sufficient basis from which to conclude that the killer had the phone while burying Hae.
October 11, 20223 yr 24 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: I mean, your site basically agrees with everything I've said... Quote Call 21. Time: 7:09 p.m. To: Incoming [possibly Jenn returning the call to her pager] Duration: 0:33. EDIT, 1/17/2015: Due to the release of additional information concerning the reliability of the cellphone data, as well as the nature of the forensic evidence, I no longer believe that the cellphone was in Leakin Park at this time. It appears instead that the burial in Leakin Park took place hours later.
October 11, 20223 yr 24 minutes ago, toolg said: Again, this is the CYA disclaimer for incoming calls. A disclaimer of unreliability for dense urban environments and during times of high congestion. Neither of which would apply, but setting that aside. We're still at a point where it would be one hell of a coincidence that just these two particular calls of the only calls for that tower that night were apparently unreliably routed, but even so, let's go further and completely throw out all incoming call data (again, it's really dumb to do so because even if the carrier is trying to limit liability exposure, at the end of the day, that particular tower still connected with that handset twice during the period of time when the body was presumably buried ), we still have the issue of the outgoing calls pinging the tower south of the burial site. That tower's directional data can't be explained away by the fax cover sheet that the defense is trying to hang their hat on. On top of that, there's still the issue of the shovels that can't be explained away either. I can only suspend disbelief for so long. Adnan was at the very least directly involved with the burial of Hae's body.
October 11, 20223 yr I also believe Adnan is involved somehow. But the evidence is inconsistent and the witnesses' stories do not corroborate. At this point I have more questions than answers. I feel like the people who were close to Hae have some of the answers. Adnan knows the victim, how much does he know about the murder? For what purpose does Jay pin this to Adnan? And the family statements seem like they are convinced Adnan is guilty; but the local officials are just saying the family lawyers are using this for publicity. The family has been unable to return to town to meet with officials. There was past DNA evidence, like the shoes recently, that does not exonerate Syed, but it does not put him at the scene either. I feel like DNA evidence has not been fully explored and it needs investigated further.
October 11, 20223 yr 21 minutes ago, toolg said: I also believe Adnan is involved somehow. But the evidence is inconsistent and the witnesses' stories do not corroborate. At this point I have more questions than answers. I feel like the people who were close to Hae have some of the answers. Adnan knows the victim, how much does he know about the murder? For what purpose does Jay pin this to Adnan? And the family statements seem like they are convinced Adnan is guilty; but the local officials are just saying the family lawyers are using this for publicity. The family has been unable to return to town to meet with officials. There was past DNA evidence, like the shoes recently, that does not exonerate Syed, but it does not put him at the scene either. I feel like DNA evidence has not been fully explored and it needs investigated further. Yeah at the end of the day, it's clear the detectives/prosecution botched the case (or at least didn't build as strong of a case as they should've) but also that the balance of evidence still seems to point to Syed, just perhaps not enough to clear the legal standard of beyond a reasonable doubt. Murderers get away with murders all the time, and I personally believe that's what happened here with Syed, but I can understand why others might feel differently based on the lack of more directly inculpatory evidence.
October 12, 20223 yr @vikas83 Q for you since you know the area. We had dinner at The House of William & Merry last night. How out of place was I with my $25 polo shirt?
October 12, 20223 yr 47 minutes ago, paco said: @vikas83 Q for you since you know the area. We had dinner at The House of William & Merry last night. How out of place was I with my $25 polo shirt? It's Delaware -- if you wore shoes, you're good.
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October 16, 20223 yr 53 minutes ago, lynched1 said: "11 New Replys" What are doing with yourselves this weekend? 🤣 Well it's obvious what you've been doing.
October 16, 20223 yr 5 hours ago, Boogyman said: Well it's obvious what you've been doing. What's that Nancy?
October 19, 20222 yr FBI raided Journalist investigating Biden's withdraw from Afghanistan. Hasn't been seen or heard from since. https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/fbi-raid-abc-news_producer-1234613619/
October 20, 20222 yr 13 hours ago, The_Omega said: FBI raided Journalist investigating Biden's withdraw from Afghanistan. Hasn't been seen or heard from since. https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/fbi-raid-abc-news_producer-1234613619/ Did they check Joe’s basement ?
October 20, 20222 yr 14 minutes ago, 20dawk4life said: Just for @paco Funny you posted this, because at 4:50 am I got noticed the Mach-E shipped.
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