May 4, 20223 yr 8 minutes ago, mikemack8 said: So you're serious then? Serious as a dead fetus, right? Serious as a dead fetus. As if it took my entrance to fill this thread with hyperbole and morbid absolutes. Puh-lease dude, iron your panties.
May 4, 20223 yr 6 minutes ago, Saltpeter said: What do food stamps and welfare have to do with women having children they can't financially support? Yeah theyre unwanted, kill them Be sure to vote Dems in November with this joyous message of hope
May 4, 20223 yr 59 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said: Right, which is why it's so ridiculous to think that a fertilized embryo without a central nervous system is the exact same thing as a baby the moment before labor. It's also kinda funny, considering the Bible does not say this, and if anything, indicates that life begins at breath. Where is the textual reference for "life begins at conception?" It's just some evangelical perspective that's become a dogmatic cudgel for anyone who has any sort of pro-choice leanings. While I'm sure you will find some people who are pro life will say its the exact same thing, I personally believe the majority do not. I could be wrong, but that has been my experience. Like I said, the mantra is life begins at conception. Pro life or pro choice, I think it's pretty hard to argue against that fact. Also, if you give that embryo a DNA test, it comes up 100% human. So the question becomes, since it is a human life at conception, at what point does it become morally wrong to terminate that life? The pro life crowd believes it is always morally wrong. The pro choice crowd has argued everything from a few weeks to up until the baby is crowning.
May 4, 20223 yr Author 6 minutes ago, Mike31mt said: I had these categories backwards, but the fact is the vast, vast majority of abortions are for convenience, period. Would you consider a poor/sick, single woman who cannot afford or is not mentally equipped to handle pregnancy and childrearing to be doing it for "convenience"
May 4, 20223 yr I support abortion, but only in cases of incest. So basically only for the state of West Virginia.
May 4, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, Mike31mt said: Yeah theyre unwanted, kill them Be sure to vote Dems in November with this joyous message of hope You want to find homes and foster parents for all of God's children so bad? There's tens of thousands of them at the border..f'ing hypocrite.
May 4, 20223 yr Just now, we_gotta_believe said: I support abortion, but only in cases of incest. So basically only for the state of West Virginia. Ok - I LOL'd
May 4, 20223 yr 5 minutes ago, dawkins4prez said: Um, yes? Yes, having too many babies keeps the women out of the workforce, keeping the women out of the workforce is detrimental to the economic health of a community or country. It's the 21st century and approaching then of the first phase of the information age. Healthy families need to be able to control the amount and timeliness of having children, quality over quantity. So aborting 60M+ babies is good for the economy, declining birth rates is good? Even using cold logic its a dumb, myopic argument that is anything but settled You need babies to sustain communities. Abortion is and will never be a means to control population, and its just downright terrifying that any sane functional adult human would just accept this. Its just a convenient way or ignoring the morality of ending a life for convenience
May 4, 20223 yr 6 minutes ago, Mike31mt said: Yeah and where's your source, Mr Consciousness? You only deserve life if youre conscious, huh? Is that your final answer? Literally every liberal pro-abortion argument is a logical fallacy or outright embarrassment of failed logic I didn't even look up the number you gave, I just like making fun of how stupid you are. Oh and the word "conciousness" has multiple meanings. You are, not surprisingly, using the wrong one. Now, that I blame on you and not your states ishy schools. Just pick up a book once in a while and read it, it will do wonders for your vocabulary.
May 4, 20223 yr 24 minutes ago, DrPhilly said: Who says they are the exact same thing? 19 minutes ago, NOTW said: Who actually says at conception it's a fully formed baby or the exact same thing as a fully formed, viable fetus at 6-9 months? I've never heard any pro life argument suggest that. I'm glad I'm not alone. I've NEVER heard that which is why I found that particular post embarrassing.
May 4, 20223 yr Just now, dawkins4prez said: You want to find homes and foster parents for all of God's children so bad? There's tens of thousands of them at the border..f'ing hypocrite. i'm sure he'd also like to pay for all the prenatal care and cost of childbirth...which is usually in the $10k range.
May 4, 20223 yr Author 5 minutes ago, NOTW said: In that verse, He's creating a full grown man for the first time from clay of the earth and breathing His own breath into Adam. This is not a baby in the womb taking it's first breath outside the womb. It still makes a very direct connection between breathing and coming to life. I don't think being "knit together" carries the same kind of weight in this kind of argument. People will look for anything to justify their preconceptions after the fact, though.
May 4, 20223 yr 2 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: I support abortion, but only in cases of incest. So basically only for the state of West Virginia. Quality post from the mental midget with literally nothing else to offer
May 4, 20223 yr 19 minutes ago, dawkins4prez said: Not being religious and citing the bestseller Freakonomics doesn't make me edgy. Supporting Roe v Wade, our federal law for the bast 50 years, is not f'ing edgy you shiteposting f'****. Remind me, was Freakonomics the one that aligned Roe Vs Wade to the drop in crime in NYC as well as mandating larger families attributing to a spike in crime in (Hungray?) If so, that was an interesting mental exercise, but much of that book (and others like that) always make me wonder if this is just another case of correlation not being causation. They did lay out a strong argument so I'm not dismissing it either.
May 4, 20223 yr 4 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said: Would you consider a poor/sick, single woman who cannot afford or is not mentally equipped to handle pregnancy and childrearing to be doing it for "convenience" Yes, by definition it is for her convenience Ending a life isnt justified because the moms life will be hard. That sucks. Dont get pregnant, its incredibly easy not to get pregnant 4 minutes ago, dawkins4prez said: You want to find homes and foster parents for all of God's children so bad? There's tens of thousands of them at the border..f'ing hypocrite. What? Immigrants at the border? They're unwanted, theyre burdens on society, murder them right?
May 4, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, Mike31mt said: Quality post from the mental midget with literally nothing else to offer He probably not very conscious as to the impact of his words.
May 4, 20223 yr Author 4 minutes ago, paco said: While I'm sure you will find some people who are pro choice will say its the exact same thing, I personally believe the majority do not. I could be wrong, but that has been my experience. Like I said, the mantra is life begins at conception. Pro life or pro choice, I think it's pretty hard to argue against that fact. Also, if you give that embryo a DNA test, it comes up 100% human. So the question becomes, since it is a human life at conception, at what point does it become morally wrong to terminate that life? The pro life crowd believes it is always morally wrong. The pro choice crowd has argued everything from a few weeks to up until the baby is crowning. Well, like I said in another comment above, I thought Roe created a reasonable middle ground by restricting abortion after 12 weeks. I don't think that someone should be able to abort a fully formed fetus on a whim. Opinions will vary on when exactly fetal life becomes something akin to a living, breathing human. We will never all agree on this, but abortion is at the very least a necessary evil that needs to be available for women who cannot handle the burden of a pregnancy and childrearing for a variety of reasons. The health of the nation depends on it. But now, if Roe gets tossed, California or any other extremely liberal state can provide abortions on demand at any point in pregnancy. SCOTUS created a cutoff point that was weighted pretty heavily toward the end of protecting the fetus outside of the immediate period after conception.
May 4, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, Mike31mt said: Quality post from the mental midget with literally nothing else to offer
May 4, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, paco said: Remind me, was Freakonomics the one that aligned Roe Vs Wade to the drop in crime in NYC as well as mandating larger families attributing to a spike in crime in (Hungray?) If so, that was an interesting mental exercise, but much of that book (and others like that) always make me wonder if this is just another case of correlation not being causation. They did lay out a strong argument so I'm not dismissing it either. That's the one.
May 4, 20223 yr 4 minutes ago, Boogyman said: I didn't even look up the number you gave, I just like making fun of how stupid you are. Oh and the word "conciousness" has multiple meanings. You are, not surprisingly, using the wrong one. Now, that I blame on you and not your states ishy schools. Just pick up a book once in a while and read it, it will do wonders for your vocabulary. Oh I see, cant measure up so you make personal attacks. Thanks for weighing in, I hope you enjoyed the attention you obviously dont get at home
May 4, 20223 yr Just now, toolg said: Matt Gaetz, still doing Matt Gaetz things: Roe v wade was fought for by the grandmothers of millenials. It's older than me and i'm an eagles fan since Jaworski.
May 4, 20223 yr 2 minutes ago, Boogyman said: He probably not very conscious as to the impact of his words. English MFer, do you speak it?
May 4, 20223 yr Just now, Mike31mt said: Oh I see, cant measure up so you make personal attacks. Thanks for weighing in, I hope you enjoyed the attention you obviously dont get at home You never did give us that source though. You often quote numbers and statistics without any reference.
May 4, 20223 yr 2 minutes ago, Mike31mt said: Yes, by definition it is for her convenience Ending a life isnt justified because the moms life will be hard. That sucks. Dont get pregnant, its incredibly easy not to get pregnant What? Immigrants at the border? They're unwanted, theyre burdens on society, murder them right? Live look at TEW:
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