May 4, 20223 yr 4 minutes ago, The_Omega said: Like this? Our Democratic POTUS has shared his difficulty in reconciling his religious views with his political views. That's the point I was making, that religion will be a factor for some politicians like it or not. https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/03/politics/joe-biden-abortion-draft-opinion/index.html Quote He said early on in his career that while he supported individuals' right to an abortion, he opposed federal funds paying for them. Later, he backed Republican efforts to ban so-called "partial-birth abortions," a non-medical term describing rare late-term procedures, and said he would have liked to go further in restricting them. In 2006, two years before he was elected vice president, he told an interviewer he did "not view abortion as a choice and a right." A year later, he spelled out his internal conflict in an appearance on NBC's "Meet the Press." "I was 29 years old when I came to the United States Senate, and I have learned a lot," he said. "I'm a practicing Catholic, and it is the biggest dilemma for me in terms of comporting my religious and cultural views with my political responsibility."
May 4, 20223 yr Author 13 minutes ago, Procus said: I read where Franklin was leery of religion, but felt it did help temper the behavior of the masses. That being said, I doubt very much that any of the founding fathers would have been on board with Roe. Well, abortion was a relatively common practice by the mid-1800s, so I wouldn't so sure that they would've opposed abortion. Regardless of religion, though, it's conceivable to think that they would've believed that the Court overstepped its authority in the ruling, though.
May 4, 20223 yr 5 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said: Well, abortion was a relatively common practice by the mid-1800s, so I wouldn't so sure that they would've opposed abortion. Regardless of religion, though, it's conceivable to think that they would've believed that the Court overstepped its authority in the ruling, though. I think they would have most likely thought it should be left to the states...and that they had much more important issues to worry about.
May 4, 20223 yr 9 minutes ago, NOTW said: Our Democratic POTUS has shared his difficulty in reconciling his religious views with his political views. That's the point I was making, that religion will be a factor for some politicians like it or not. https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/03/politics/joe-biden-abortion-draft-opinion/index.html well yeah...his religious background is part of what shapes his personal opinions on abortion. he's not blindly following the bible and pushing those religious beliefs on the populace...whether they share his religious beliefs or not.
May 4, 20223 yr 16 minutes ago, Procus said: I read where Franklin was leery of religion, but felt it did help temper the behavior of the masses. That being said, I doubt very much that any of the founding fathers would have been on board with Roe. Hmm, interesting opinion. Can you say it again in a Keanu voice?
May 4, 20223 yr some of you really need to think about the repercussions of this issue....if stacy were forced to have damone's baby, rat would still be a lonely virgin. think about that the next time you're feeling all holier than thou!
May 4, 20223 yr 53 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said: Thats why we make the money. Optionality. feel free to donate to orgs that provide it The law never enters into the fact, other than during pricing. I can always count on you.
May 4, 20223 yr 11 minutes ago, mr_hunt said: well yeah...his religious background is part of what shapes his personal opinions on abortion. he's not blindly following the bible and pushing those religious beliefs on the populace...whether they share his religious beliefs or not. You're actually agreeing with me. I didn't say people should blindly follow the Bible or push beliefs on others. In fact I said the Bible shouldn't be the basis of laws as we don't have a state religion. I simply said that to think that religion or any type of personal ethics aren't a factor in laws isn't realistic, people are going to have influence from various factors including religion. Many laws throughout history have had religious influence for better or worse, and again I cited several examples of religion in our government today.
May 4, 20223 yr 51 minutes ago, mr_hunt said: this is what happens when religion is injected into politics: 🤡🌎 Time for the Ministry of Truth to step in. That will solve our problems.
May 4, 20223 yr 6 minutes ago, DrPhilly said: Time for the Ministry of Truth to step in. That will solve our problems.
May 4, 20223 yr Someone here opined that the leaked draft is pretty much going to be the decision. We have no way of knowing. I found this NPR article that details the process the Supreme Court uses. It's a good read. https://www.npr.org/2022/05/03/1096141704/supreme-court-opinion-process What even is a draft opinion? Here's how the Supreme Court's process works The Supreme Court has confirmed the authenticity of the draft opinion Politico published Monday night and is pursuing an investigation into the leak. But the court is stressing that the opinion, which calls for overturning Roe v. Wade, does not yet equal the law of the land. "Justices circulate draft opinions internally as a routine and essential part of the Court's confidential deliberative work," it said in a Tuesday press release. "Although the document described in yesterday's reports is authentic, it does not represent a decision by the Court or the final position of any member on the issues in the case." Law Report: A leaked draft opinion suggests the Supreme Court will overturn Roe v. Wade The court's internal deliberations may be confidential, but the process of getting to a final ruling isn't entirely a secret. Here's what we know about how the nation's highest court gets from consideration to conclusion. First come the arguments, then the private conferences After oral arguments end, justices typically discuss the cases with their law clerks to seek out different perspectives and form an idea of how they will vote, according to the U.S. Courts website. Then the justices hold what is known as a private conference (there are two scheduled per week, on Wednesday and Friday afternoons) to actually decide the case. They typically start by discussing which potential new cases to accept or reject, and then turn to the cases they've heard since their last such meeting. "According to Supreme Court protocol, all Justices have an opportunity to state their views on the case and raise any questions or concerns they may have," the U.S. Courts site says. "Each Justice speaks without interruptions from the others." The justices speak in descending order of seniority, starting with Chief Justice John Roberts. Then, in that same order, they each cast an initial vote. Justices' votes determine who will write the opinions Once the votes have been tallied, the senior justice in the majority (either the chief justice or, if he dissents, the justice in the majority who has served on the court the longest) will assign someone to write the majority opinion. Health Here's what could happen if Roe v. Wade is overturned Politics The Senate will vote on a bill creating a federal right to an abortion, Schumer says If a minority of justices believe that the case should have reached a different outcome, the seniormost justice in that group assigns someone to write a dissenting opinion. Any justice can also write a separate dissent of their own. And if a justice agrees with the decision but disagrees with the reasoning behind it, they may write a concurring opinion, which others have the option to join. How a draft opinion becomes a final ruling This is where the draft opinions come in, as the law website SCOTUSblog explains. The assigned justices draft and circulate opinions outlining their decision and their reasoning. "The time it takes to finalize an opinion depends on several factors, including how divided the Justices are, which justice is writing the opinion, and the court's schedule," it says. There's always a chance that the draft opinion doesn't end up looking similar to the final opinion, NPR legal affairs correspondent Nina Totenberg told Morning Edition, noting that this has happened numerous times. History The original Roe v. Wade ruling was leaked, too A majority of justices must "sign onto" the court's opinion before it can be delivered publicly, according to the U.S. Courts website. "No opinion is considered the official opinion of the Court until it is delivered in open Court (or at least made available to the public)," it says. All cases are typically decided by the time the court goes on summer recess in late June or early July. Other than that, there aren't any rules around when exactly decisions must be released — but those that are unanimous tend to come out sooner than those that are more divisive. There are unanswered questions about this case So how exactly is this process playing out for the case in question? Politico's reporting offers potential clues as well as puzzles, according to Totenberg. Politico is reporting — citing an unnamed source "familiar with the court's deliberations" — that four of the other conservative justices voted along with Justice Samuel Alito in the conference they held after hearing oral arguments in December. Roberts' vote is unclear, according to Politico, which said it's also not known whether he will join an already-written opinion or craft his own. Law Chief Justice Roberts calls Roe v. Wade leak a betrayal Totenberg says that during oral arguments, Roberts seemed to suggest that he wanted to move slowly, upholding the Mississippi law (which bans abortions after 15 weeks) at the heart of the case and leaving the basic framework of Roe otherwise intact. She adds that the idea "got no takers" at the time. "The question in my mind is whether he even assigned this opinion," she adds, explaining that it's possible that he endorsed the leaked draft opinion or that he disagreed. In that case, she says, the most senior member of the majority would decide who would write the opinion — and that would be Justice Clarence Thomas. "And I can't think of any reason why Thomas wouldn't give himself this opinion," Totenberg says. "There are still some mysteries to this, but I would be shocked if this were not an early draft of the opinion that will eventually come out."
May 4, 20223 yr 35 minutes ago, mr_hunt said: well yeah...his religious background is part of what shapes his personal opinions on abortion. he's not blindly following the bible and pushing those religious beliefs on the populace...whether they share his religious beliefs or not. His wallet shapes his personal opinions. The POTUS is a bigger ho than barho
May 4, 20223 yr 51 minutes ago, Procus said: His wallet shapes his personal opinions. The POTUS is a bigger ho than barho
May 4, 20223 yr https://thefederalist.com/2022/05/04/after-insane-ivermectin-freakout-left-pushes-actual-horse-meds-for-diy-chemical-abortions/ After Insane Ivermectin Freakout, Left Pushes Actual Horse Meds For DIY Chemical Abortions
May 4, 20223 yr 12 minutes ago, Procus said: https://thefederalist.com/2022/05/04/after-insane-ivermectin-freakout-left-pushes-actual-horse-meds-for-diy-chemical-abortions/ After Insane Ivermectin Freakout, Left Pushes Actual Horse Meds For DIY Chemical Abortions That's crazy huh? A person using a medication meant for an animal?
May 4, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, Boogyman said: That's crazy huh? A person using a medication meant for an animal? He can't hear you through the ketamine.
May 4, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, Toastrel said: He can't hear you through the ketamine. Lately it almost seems he is taking shots at himself on purpose for some reason lol.
May 4, 20223 yr 20 minutes ago, Boogyman said: Lately it almost seems he is taking shots at himself on purpose for some reason lol. Nope - they're directed in large part at you, but you're too stupid to realize.
May 4, 20223 yr 21 minutes ago, Boogyman said: Lately it almost seems he is taking shots at himself on purpose for some reason lol. Oh so a comment about horse dewormer is "taking a shot at himself" huh? But you spent like 50 embarrassing posts arguing the opposite a couple of days ago.
May 4, 20223 yr 9 minutes ago, Kz! said: The dumbest cult on the planet is short-circuiting before our eyes: Gavin Newsome must not be a biologist. https://www.healthline.com/health/transgender/can-men-get-pregnant Quote Can Men Get Pregnant? Yes, it’s possible for men to become pregnant and give birth to children of their own. In fact, it’s probably a lot more common than you might think.
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