1 hour ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

 

Maybe, but the system is still overburdened and inefficient. The numbers are a little hard to come by but according to a couple of sites, there are currently 400,000 kids in foster care and 117,000 of them are waiting to be adopted. Every year, about 20,000 kids age out of the system. Those entering the foster care system after the age of 12 have a 2 in 5 chance of being legally emancipated at the age of 18, so they never find a settled home. More than 20% of the children who are currently in foster care are aged 3 or younger, and more than 40% of the children who reach the age of 18 while in foster care were in the system for more than 3 years. So, even if there are a lot of people willing to adopt, there's still a major shortcoming in finding homes for these kids.

I've long thought that there are too many barriers to adoption. It's very expensive and the amount of red tape one has to go through is often prohibitive, and with red states wanting to restrict adoption to only heterosexual Christian couples, it makes the situation even worse. There are also significant racial disparities: black and Asian children, for example, often wait much longer to be adopted and are much more likely to age out of the system, and for kids with disabilities, it's even higher.

Honestly, from my experience, most parents that probably should adopt won't do it. My brother and his wife spent years and what must've been tens of thousands of dollars on fertility treatments trying to get her to conceive in her 40s. She had a miscarriage and then significant complications with the other two pregnancies. The first kid is severely autistic. The other one seems to be doing ok but was majorly premature. Adoption is the very last option for most people.

There are literally over a million couples trying to adopt right now. I know thousands through support groups - some waiting for years. These are well vetted, eager families that pray every day that they get a yes finally. It’s really insensitive to call it a very last option - not towards those couples but for the millions of adoptees out there btw. The problem isn’t demand. It is a supply issue. Foster care is a completely separate animal and sadly filled with mostly older children who probably should have been placed for adoption from the start. Abortion was an option for all of those birth mothers but those children still ended up abandoned and damaged because a lot of people are drug addicted, abused, or just bad people themselves - such is the human race. 

5 minutes ago, VanHammersly said:

So the initial Roe ruling was leaked?  Well there goes that talking point.

1 hour before it was announced, and not the entire draft opinion. 

8 minutes ago, binkybink77 said:

There are literally over a million couples trying to adopt right now. I know thousands through support groups - some waiting for years. These are well vetted, eager families that pray every day that they get a yes finally. It’s really insensitive to call it a very last option - not towards those couples but for the millions of adoptees out there btw. The problem isn’t demand. It is a supply issue. Foster care is a completely separate animal and sadly filled with mostly older children who probably should have been placed for adoption from the start. Abortion was an option for all the birth mothers of those women but they still ended up abandoned and damaged because a lot of people are drug addicted, abused, or just bad people themselves. 

 

I said "in my experience, it is the very last option." I've known people who probably should adopt but keep going through hell either trying to concieve to the extent that it leads to its own set of medical challenges or having complicated pregnancies that can result in birth defects/disabilities. I didn't see anything insensitive in that comment, it's literally just what I've witnessed. Call it anecdotal, if you wish. There are definitely many couples who want to adopt but can't, and I acknowledged that in the post by noting the barriers that many face to making it happen. 

Personally, if I wanted kids, I would adopt because our social services are overburdened there are too many kids who need a home. But most prospective parents seem to invariably want a child of "their own." The subconscious desire to replicate your own DNA is just too strong for most people.

13 minutes ago, The_Omega said:

JrRocker wishes men really could get pregnant just so he could have an abortion.

Abortion laws do not stop abortions. They only stop the poor from getting safe abortions in medical facilities.

My lifelong GOP mother in law, an RN, was pro-life, but anti-stupidity. She saw the results of back alley abortions. She was adamant about not going back to that.

23 minutes ago, mr_hunt said:

well, this certainly woke up the left.....and the 70+% of americans who don't think roe v wade should be overturned. 

 

 

 

Yes indeed

2 minutes ago, Toastrel said:

Abortion laws do not stop abortions. They only stop the poor from getting safe abortions in medical facilities.

Wow, cool opinion. Now do gun laws.

Just now, Bacarty2 said:

I feel like we could replace  the word Abortions with Guns....

Beat me to it. 

Just now, The_Omega said:

1 hour before it was announced, and not the entire draft opinion. 

It's still a leak.  I realize the right will hammer on the leak as a deflection point, as if that's somehow the biggest part of this story, but obviously it isn't.  Taking away rights from Americans rarely goes well politically, no matter which side does it.

25 minutes ago, The_Omega said:

JrRocker wishes men really could get pregnant just so he could have an abortion.

 

Every day, you never fail to one up yourself on being a massive a-hole and monumental scumbag. You try so hard to be funny and clever yet fail since your cognitive abilities stopped developing somewhere in middle school, so fail miserably at being both a troll and a comedian, in addition to being a decent human being.

The Radical Right is going to rue the day when it happens. The Majority of Americans oppose it and they will hold politicians accountable. Especially, women.

Precedent means nothing to the radical right and they all lied about it under oath in the confirmation hearings. 

Just now, VanHammersly said:

It's still a leak.  I realize the right will hammer on the leak as a deflection point, as if that's somehow the biggest part of this story, but obviously it isn't.  Taking away rights from Americans rarely goes well politically, no matter which side does it.

It is a large part of the story even if there is some earlier precedent. Not the biggest part though. I agree with you on that. 

2 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

It is a large part of the story even if there is some earlier precedent. Not the biggest part though. I agree with you on that. 

Is it? What law was broken by leaking it? Radical Right is calling for an FBI investigation.

Just now, DrPhilly said:

It is a large part of the story even if there is some earlier precedent. Not the biggest part though. I agree with you on that. 

SC process is a distant concern for the half of the population that's about to have a right taken away from them.

10 minutes ago, Alpha_TATEr said:

 

 

 

That guy is such a loser.

 

10 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

That explains the purse swinging.

 

So is FloridaB**ch here, always projecting his lack of virility and mental fortitude on others with the capacity to make him look like the clown that he is.

1 minute ago, VanHammersly said:

SC process is a distant concern for the half of the population that's about to have a right taken away from them.

Yep. Like I said, I agree with you. Doesn’t mean there isn’t another less important item going on at the same time. 

Posted yesterday, but it's more appropriate today.

8 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

 

I said "in my experience, it is the very last option." I've known people who probably should adopt but keep going through hell either trying to concieve to the extent that it leads to its own set of medical challenges or having complicated pregnancies that can result in birth defects/disabilities. I didn't see anything insensitive in that comment, it's literally just what I've witnessed. Call it anecdotal, if you wish. There are definitely many couples who want to adopt but can't, and I acknowledged that in the post by noting the barriers that many face to making it happen. 

Personally, if I wanted kids, I would adopt because our social services are overburdened there are too many kids who need a home. But most prospective parents seem to invariably want a child of "their own." The subconscious desire to replicate your own DNA is just too strong for most people.

Complicated pregnancy can lead to autism but autism also results more often when no known factors have contributed. Your second hand experience into someone’s medical history and judgement of their family and children extrapolated into an opinion about what they "should have done” seems gross to me. The child with autism is a human being and not some terrible mistake. 
 

That is great and noble that you would adopt. Be a hero and take on the challenge of adopting from foster care then instead of just pontificating on a message board on the good person you "would” be. 

4 minutes ago, jsdarkstar said:

Is it? What law was broken by leaking it? Radical Right is calling for an FBI investigation.

Meh, I’ve already seen some nuts say the right leaked it. People are all over the place. The basic issue is the integrity of the court itself. Pretty straight forward and very important. 

What other Rights will the Radical Right take away from us. 

Freedom? Democracy? The right to vote?

2 hours ago, Paul852 said:

I like how people think overturning Roe vs. Wade won't matter much in 6 months when it has been an issue between the parties for decades. Of course it will.

From a personal perspective I HATE abortion and it's something I'd never argue in favor of (except in extreme circumstances). There are plenty of people willing to adopt.

Interesting opinion, Paul. Wouldn't have guessed. Without mentioning Trump and/or Republicans, what do you find attractive about dem policies? Genuinely curious. 

Will the Radical Right take away our Medicare and Social Security Benefits. They have been trying for decades. 

1 minute ago, DrPhilly said:

Meh, I’ve already seen some nuts say the right leaked it. People are all over the place. The basic issue is the integrity of the court itself. Pretty straight forward and very important. 

"Integrity of the court"

2 minutes ago, jsdarkstar said:

What other Rights will the Radical Right take away from us. 

Freedom? Democracy? The right to vote?

All of the above! Let's GOOOOOOO!

14 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

I feel like we could replace  the word Abortions with Guns....

you've been conditioned by radical right wing media to feel that way. 

2 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Awww come one fella.  It was a joke.  I thought we were buds now.  No reason to get all triggered and bent again.  I support your right to choose, I really do.  

 

LOL.  I don't live in Florida.  haven't been in years.  😀  I thought we hugged it out.  What's up?  

Eh, I'm mostly fine with you and am just playing the game. I know it's kinda your shtick. I honestly never really know whether to take you seriously or not, so you've got that going for you, which is nice.

I'm trying to be diplomatic in here, though, so the insults feel a little uncalled for. You're right, though, I gotta be Florida Tough