May 9, 20223 yr 21 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said: I think this is overblown. When did you move out? Aside from some occasional spikes, crime has decreased precipitously over the last few decades, especially when you take it back further to like the 1970s. A tale as old as time is the curmudgeon ranting about how bad crime has gotten when, across the country as a whole, cities have gotten safer overall. Your charts a little outdated https://www.axios.com/local/philadelphia/2022/01/10/philadelphia-record-homicides-2021-police
May 9, 20223 yr 2 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said: Damn, I'm sorry. I can understand how your opinion of the city would be affected by that experience, it doesn't necessarily mean that crime has risen overall in the long-term, though. I was asking the year, though, to get a sense for what was happening with crime in Philly overall when that happened. Not sure what you consider a long-term rise in crime - although nobody else I know denies that crime has skyrocketed in Philly since I left - especially after the George Floyd riots. https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/sense-of-lawlessness-with-500-killings-2021-is-deadliest-in-philly-history/3057586/ ‘Sense of Lawlessness': With 500 Killings, 2021 Is Deadliest in Philly History https://whyy.org/articles/philly-da-citys-2022-murder-rate-already-outpacing-record-deadly-2021/ Philly DA: City’s 2022 murder rate already outpacing record-deadly 2021
May 9, 20223 yr Author 4 minutes ago, The_Omega said: Your charts a little outdated https://www.axios.com/local/philadelphia/2022/01/10/philadelphia-record-homicides-2021-police Yes, homicides have been on the rise in recent years after generally declining long-term since the early 90s. Procus still didn't answer when he left the city. Violent crime, as well, I know has rise in about the last two years, but again, talking long-term. 2 minutes ago, Procus said: Not sure what you consider a long-term rise in crime - although nobody else I know denies that crime has skyrocketed in Philly since I left - especially after the George Floyd riots. https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/sense-of-lawlessness-with-500-killings-2021-is-deadliest-in-philly-history/3057586/ ‘Sense of Lawlessness': With 500 Killings, 2021 Is Deadliest in Philly History https://whyy.org/articles/philly-da-citys-2022-murder-rate-already-outpacing-record-deadly-2021/ Philly DA: City’s 2022 murder rate already outpacing record-deadly 2021 What year did you leave Philly?
May 9, 20223 yr 4 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said: What year did you leave Philly? None of your friggin business. These are public boards. Tell us your name, address and social security number.
May 9, 20223 yr Author Just now, Procus said: None of your friggin business. These are public boards. Tell us your name, address and social security number. Lol, I don't see how the year you moved would be considered identifiable information, but whatever. Methinks if I plotted your departure on the graphs, it would show that crime was decreasing around the time you left Philly, which would be quite inconvenient for your argument.
May 9, 20223 yr For most of the past 30 years the crime rate in Philly has dropped. Even with the increase in homicides (something being seen in most big cities around the world it seems since Covid) center city remains pretty safe. I personally do not like people enough to enjoy living in the city, but my closest friend lives off Vine a few blocks off Broad. He admits in the last few years it's gotten somewhat worse even in center city but he wouldn't describe it as "dangerous" at current levels. Philly crime data says no murders in the last 6 mos in the most densely populated area of the city suggest he's right. Perception and reality are two different things.
May 9, 20223 yr 28 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said: I think this is another instance of older people being frightened and confused by a changing world and falling back on the "there goes the neighborhood!" trope. I don't think he has recovered since the Polio situation.
May 9, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, EaglesRocker97 said: Lol, I don't see how the year you moved would be considered identifiable information, but whatever. Methinks if I plotted your departure on the graphs, it would show that crime was decreasing around the time you left Philly, which would be quite inconvenient for your argument. What's my argument? That if somebody left the city because they didn't like the quality of life there, they aren't precluded from still liking the teams.
May 9, 20223 yr Author 1 minute ago, downundermike said: I don't think he has recovered since the Polio situation. COVID brain is no joke.
May 9, 20223 yr Author 1 minute ago, Procus said: What's my argument? That if somebody left the city because they didn't like the quality of life there, they aren't precluded from still liking the teams. Your main argument was that you left because "it was becoming more dangerous." So, I tried to verify whether this was factually accurate by linking your departure to crime statistics for the era. Again, I understand that getting robbed left you feeling uncomfortable and motivated you to leave, but in the grand scheme of things, that is anecdotal and not necessarily indicative of larger trends.
May 9, 20223 yr 2 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: For most of the past 30 years the crime rate in Philly has dropped. Even with the increase in homicides (something being seen in most big cities around the world it seems since Covid) center city remains pretty safe. I personally do not like people enough to enjoy living in the city, but my closest friend lives off Vine a few blocks off Broad. He admits in the last few years it's gotten somewhat worse even in center city but he wouldn't describe it as "dangerous" at current levels. Philly crime data says no murders in the last 6 mos in the most densely populated area of the city suggest he's right. Perception and reality are two different things. You enjoy living in an alternative reality. https://whyy.org/articles/philly-police-using-every-resource-available-to-combat-surge-in-carjackings/ Philly police using ‘every resource available’ to combat surge in carjackings https://whyy.org/articles/police-commissioner-2022-brings-the-same-troubling-trends-for-crime-in-philly/ Police commissioner: 2022 brings the ‘same troubling trends’ for crime in Philly These things tend to happen when the bad guys know they won't be prosecuted. But John has a friend, so all's clear . . .
May 9, 20223 yr Just now, EaglesRocker97 said: Your main argument was that you left because "it was becoming more dangerous." So, I tried to verify whether this was factually accurate by linking your departure to crime statistics for the era. Again, I understand that getting robbed left you feeling uncomfortable and motivated you to leave, but in the grand scheme of things, that is anecdotal and not necessarily indicative of larger trends. My main argument was that I left because for whatever reason, my quality of life there was not good. So what - maybe others didn't experience the same thing - so what? The whole context was your ridiculous claim that you're not allowed to continue to root for your home town team after you left.
May 9, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, Procus said: You enjoy living in an alternative reality. https://whyy.org/articles/philly-police-using-every-resource-available-to-combat-surge-in-carjackings/ Philly police using ‘every resource available’ to combat surge in carjackings https://whyy.org/articles/police-commissioner-2022-brings-the-same-troubling-trends-for-crime-in-philly/ Police commissioner: 2022 brings the ‘same troubling trends’ for crime in Philly These things tend to happen when the bad guys know they won't be prosecuted. But John has a friend, so all's clear . . . that does nothing to address what I said. for most of the last 30 years crime has trended down. nobody has denied that homicide rates have shot up the last two years. I'm on record variously here saying Krasner is a joke and needs to go. but keep believing the same old BS.
May 9, 20223 yr 5 minutes ago, downundermike said: I don't think he has recovered since the Polio situation. When was the last time YOU were in Philly?
May 9, 20223 yr 5 minutes ago, Procus said: When was the last time YOU were in Philly? You were asked first, so, we will wait on that answer.
May 9, 20223 yr Author 1 hour ago, Procus said: The whole context was your ridiculous claim that you're not allowed to continue to root for your home town team after you left. Allowed? I said it didn't make sense to me, I really don't GAF what you do, but I always found it kind of silly to hate a city yet love the team that represents them. Alternatively, if I hate a sports team, I tend to also hate their fans and the city they represent.
May 9, 20223 yr Just now, JohnSnowsHair said: that does nothing to address what I said. for most of the last 30 years crime has trended down. nobody has denied that homicide rates have shot up the last two years. I'm on record variously here saying Krasner is a joke and needs to go. but keep believing the same old BS. On this one - you're full of it. You don't have skyrocketing violent crime and crime trending down at the same time. Crime is trending UP now and nobody with their eyes open denies this - not even the people at WHYY. Jeez, it's tiring arguing with people who make up their own alternative reality. Just now, downundermike said: You were asked first, so, we will wait on that answer. I see you haven't read through the thread carefully.
May 9, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, EaglesRocker97 said: Allowed? I said it didn't make sense to me, I really don't GAF what you do, but I always found it kind of silly to hate a city yet love the team that represents them. Alternatively, if I hate a city, I tend to also hate their fans and the city they represent. Oh come on - Philadelphians have long had a love-hate relationship with the city. In large part, same thing goes for New Yorkers.
May 9, 20223 yr 7 minutes ago, Procus said: I see you haven't read through the thread carefully. Actually I have, you were asked twice and refuse to answer. I am pretty sure the reason is that crime dropped, per the charts @EaglesRocker97 posted after you left, so you will look foolish when you answer, which you wont. 50 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said: I think this is overblown. When did you move out? 23 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said: What year did you leave Philly? 18 minutes ago, Procus said: None of your friggin business.
May 9, 20223 yr Just now, downundermike said: Actually I have, you were asked twice and refuse to answer. I am pretty sure the reason is that crime dropped, per the charts @EaglesRocker97 posted after you left, so you will look foolish when you answer, which you wont. And what was the question I didn't answer? (Hint - a person who actually read the thread would know)
May 9, 20223 yr 6 minutes ago, Procus said: And what was the question I didn't answer? (Hint - a person who actually read the thread would know) Well, if you claim to have earlier in this thread said when you moved out of Philly, why is it so hard just to clarify. Not sure why you are making such a small detail such a big issue. Was it the 90's, the 2000's, the 2010's ??
May 9, 20223 yr 3 minutes ago, downundermike said: Well, if you claim to have earlier in this thread said when you moved out of Philly, why is it so hard just to clarify. Not sure why you are making such a small detail such a big issue. I see you're trying to deflect from your reading comprehension issues. Sorry bub, you need to admit that you haven't read the thread properly instead of trying to put me on the defensive. So again, what's the question I didn't answer - and what did I ask you that YOU refused to answer?
May 9, 20223 yr 10 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said: There was this kid in high school who instigated two groups of other kids to get into a fight. Then he walked away laughing. You remind of that guy right now. 😂
May 9, 20223 yr 27 minutes ago, Procus said: On this one - you're full of it. You don't have skyrocketing violent crime and crime trending down at the same time. Crime is trending UP now and nobody with their eyes open denies this - not even the people at WHYY. WTF are you even talking about dude? You need meds man. Look at crime states from 1990-2020. Crime in the city was down. This is indisputable fact. During that period the city went from being a total cesspool to a place where at least center city and many adjacent neighborhoods were made safe, and a flourishing of culture and liveliness followed. The last couple years crime has been up. Also indisputable. Stop projecting stereotypes onto others and learn how to read and understand what people are actually saying.
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