May 12, 20223 yr 1 hour ago, BBE said: Good lord...do you believe monsters are in your closet too? A small number of people did something monumentally stupid and should be punished to the maximum extent of the law, and yet the government still remains intact. Loosen the clutch on your pearls. You're talking about Jan 6th but the attempt to overturn the election was far bigger than that. You know that, right? And that the government still remains intact is beside the point. Does attempted murder or conspiracy to commit murder not matter as long as the victim remains alive?
May 12, 20223 yr 1 hour ago, TEW said: Did I say that he didn’t want to pass tax cuts? The issue here is influence. Trump had an agenda which diverged from traditional GOP agendas. He was not able to pass these things because he lacked influence within the GOP. The GOP would only pass what they traditionally would have passed anyway. That's where you're wrong, kiddo. He doesn't have core beliefs or an agenda beyond sticking it to the opposition. It's the framework by which he's always operated within. And the same reason why he contradicts himself so often and comes across as a huge hypocrite. Literally where "there's a tweet for every occasion" originated from.
May 12, 20223 yr 1 hour ago, Gannan said: BBE is a nutjob from way back, I think. 59 minutes ago, vikas83 said: Tax cut my arse. He raised my taxes, just like Obama. Just like Biden wants to. have you tried being less rich?
May 12, 20223 yr 9 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: You're talking about Jan 6th but the attempt to overturn the election was far bigger than that. You know that, right? And that the government still remains intact is beside the point. Does attempted murder or conspiracy to commit murder not matter as long as the victim remains alive? Wgb always at the ready with a "unique" comparison.
May 12, 20223 yr 2 minutes ago, BBE said: Wgb always at the ready with a "unique" comparison. No clue what this means. Come back when you're ready to make a coherent argument.
May 12, 20223 yr 51 minutes ago, BBE said: Assume much? Oh is this where a trumpbot acts like they never voted for or supported Trump?
May 12, 20223 yr 5 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: No clue what this means. Come back when you're ready to make a coherent argument. I need a cogent thesis to argue against. Equating to attempted murder is generously stretching credibility. Especially when I have stated that those that broke laws should be punished. 2 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: Oh is this where a trumpbot acts like they never voted for or supported Trump? And here goes another wgb go to move. Do a spelling and grammar check too!
May 12, 20223 yr 38 minutes ago, BBE said: I need a cogent thesis to argue against. Equating to attempted murder is generously stretching credibility. Especially when I have stated that those that broke laws should be punished. And here goes another wgb go to move. Once again, this isn't just about Trump radicalizing a few thousands rubes into becoming domestic terrorists. This is just as much about the Mark Meadows memo, the Eastman emails, the phone call to Raffensberger, the attempt at submitting a false slate of electors, etc. It's everything. Pointing to the ultimate outcome and ignoring all that preceded it is a cop out, it's deflection at its finest. Either you think the attempt matters or you don't. It's a simple question, yet you seem wholly incapable of answering it, and we all know why, BBE. It's because despite the facade, you're a die hard trumpbot, through and through. You're not fooling anyone, let alone yourself.
May 12, 20223 yr 2 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: Once again, this isn't just about Trump radicalizing a few thousands rubes into becoming domestic terrorists. This is just as much about the Mark Meadowns memo, the Eastman emails, the phone call to Raffensberger, the attempt at submitting a false slate of electors, etc. It's everything. Pointing to the ultimate outcome and ignoring all that preceded it is a cop out, it's deflection at its finest. Either you think the attempt matters or you don't. It's a simple question, yet you seem wholly incapable of answering it, and we all know why, BBE. It's because despite the facade, you're a die hard trumpbot, through and through. You're not fooling anyone, let alone yourself. And again, the end result was what? A potential charge in Georgia? No false electors were submitted. The protections worked. And you just cling hard to your assumptions as to my political allegiances. Just because I think the Democrat platform is crap and so is Biden doesn't mean I don't have equal disdain for Trump and his ilk. But, because you need to desperately cling to labeling me or any who dares disagree with you a Trumpbot, please do you.
May 12, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, BBE said: And again, the end result was what? A potential charge in Georgia? No false electors were submitted. The protections worked. And you just cling hard to your assumptions as to my political allegiances. Just because I think the Democrat platform is crap and so is Biden doesn't mean I don't have equal disdain for Trump and his ilk. But, because you need to desperately cling to labeling me or any who dares disagree with you a Trumpbot, please do you. I shouldn't feed a stupid troll, but you have literally not once staked out any opinion or cogent argument on ... anything. Something is going on in your personal life that caused you to look up CVON and do some drive-by trolling, good for you. But don't waltz in here and act like anybody here owes a goddamn explanation for anything to you.
May 12, 20223 yr Just now, JohnSnowsHair said: I shouldn't feed a stupid troll, but you have literally not once staked out any opinion or cogent argument on ... anything. Something is going on in your personal life that caused you to look up CVON and do some drive-by trolling, good for you. But don't waltz in here and act like anybody here owes a goddamn explanation for anything to you. BBE is old school. You better recognize.
May 12, 20223 yr 2 minutes ago, The_Omega said: BBE is old school. You better recognize. What bridge?
May 12, 20223 yr 4 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: I shouldn't feed a stupid troll, but you have literally not once staked out any opinion or cogent argument on ... anything. Something is going on in your personal life that caused you to look up CVON and do some drive-by trolling, good for you. But don't waltz in here and act like anybody here owes a goddamn explanation for anything to you.
May 12, 20223 yr 3 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: I shouldn't feed a stupid troll, but you have literally not once staked out any opinion or cogent argument on ... anything. Something is going on in your personal life that caused you to look up CVON and do some drive-by trolling, good for you. But don't waltz in here and act like anybody here owes a goddamn explanation for anything to you. No, just the rampant hypocrisy displayed by you and rocker. I only referenced the constitution multiple times. But, of course, that is not good faith arguing in your book.
May 12, 20223 yr 6 minutes ago, The_Omega said: BBE is old school. You better recognize. 36 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: BBE is a nutjob from way back, I think.
May 12, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, BBE said: No, just the rampant hypocrisy displayed by you and rocker. I only referenced the constitution multiple times. But, of course, that is not good faith arguing in your book. mmk, next time you reference the constitution in any meaningful way will be the first.
May 12, 20223 yr 10 minutes ago, BBE said: And again, the end result was what? A potential charge in Georgia? No false electors were submitted. The protections worked. And you just cling hard to your assumptions as to my political allegiances. Just because I think the Democrat platform is crap and so is Biden doesn't mean I don't have equal disdain for Trump and his ilk. But, because you need to desperately cling to labeling me or any who dares disagree with you a Trumpbot, please do you. The House select committee investigating last January’s Capitol riot subpoenaed the state GOP officials listed as the "chairperson” and "secretary” for each of the fake elector certificates. Republicans in Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, New Mexico, Nevada, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin—which were all won by President Joe Biden—submitted false slates of electors to the National Archives, which falsely claimed they were the state’s electors and their states had elected Trump and Vice President Mike Pence. The Trump campaign then tried to use those "alternate” electors as a justification to delay or block Congress from certifying the Electoral College votes on January 6, the committee said in a statement. https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2022/01/28/fake-gop-electors-subpoenaed-by-january-6-committee/?sh=52038edc5a96 "There has been a sustained effort to invalidate the 2020 election and to downplay the shocking actions that took place afterward. My office cannot and will not accept any efforts to overturn a free and fair election. Voting rights are fundamental to our democratic republic, and we will continue to protect them," Ford said in a statement. New Mexico Attorney General Hector Balderas told Insider the incident is being reviewed. "Election laws are the foundation of our democracy and must be respected. While review under state law is ongoing, we have referred this matter to the appropriate federal law enforcement authorities and will provide any assistance they deem necessary," Balderas said. In a statement to Insider, Pennsylvania Attorney General Joshua Shapiro's office said while the "rhetoric and policy were intentionally misleading and purposefully damaging to our democracy" after review, they don't "believe the incident meets the legal standards for forgery." "Pennsylvania Republicans made no secret during the 2020 election certification process that they planned to nominate their own slate of electors and submit their own ballots to perpetuate the Big Lie," the office said. "These "fake ballots" included a conditional clause that they were only to be used if a court overturned the results in Pennsylvania — which did not happen." https://www.businessinsider.com/republicans-7-states-tried-falsely-certify-election-to-trump-2022-1
May 12, 20223 yr PLEASE show me my "rampant hypocrisy" 🤣 and PLEASE present a cogent argument about .. anything. until then, go hide back in your hole. I'm out.
May 12, 20223 yr 20 minutes ago, BBE said: No false electors were submitted. Oh and before you try to claim this is mere speculation and hearsay, I'll point out that it's literally all laid out by Meadows in his memo. So you can kindly STFU by acting like this was all no big deal. We have the receipts, and your guy got caught trying cheat after he lost. If you truly weren't a trumpbot, you'd be in agreement with me that what he attempted was disgusting and dishonorable, but instead you're trying to deny what was plainly obvious for one simple reason... You're salty as F that Biden beat Trump.
May 12, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, we_gotta_believe said: Oh and before you tried to claim this is mere speculation and hearsay, I'll point out that it's literally all laid out by Meadows in his memo. So you can kindly STFU by acting like this was all no big deal. We have the receipts, and your guy got caught trying cheat after he lost. If you truly weren't a trumpbot, you'd be in agreement with me that what he attempted was disgusting and dishonorable, but instead you're trying to deny what was plainly obvious for one simple reason... You're salty as F that Biden beat Trump. Again, not my guy. I am quite pleased the processes and systems worked.
May 12, 20223 yr 2 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: PLEASE show me my "rampant hypocrisy" 🤣 and PLEASE present a cogent argument about .. anything. until then, go hide back in your hole. I'm out. But you will be back.
May 12, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, BBE said: Again, not my guy. I am quite pleased the processes and systems worked. Then why exactly are you bothered by people that tried desperately to subvert democracy and install a dictator being called fascists?
May 12, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, BBE said: Again, not my guy. I am quite pleased the processes and systems worked. Oh yes, you're oh so pleased that you just got done lying to cover up for the fact that they tried to submit false electors. You're so bad at this, you're starting to make procus and Kz look good by comparison.
May 12, 20223 yr 1 hour ago, vikas83 said: Tax cut my arse. He raised my taxes, just like Obama. Just like Biden wants to. You don’t count, suit!
May 12, 20223 yr Were the final electors false? No. The system worked. It is that simple. Biden got elected and got the electoral votes of the states he won in spite of the actions. That is what I have stated repeatedly and in your feverish desire to "get me", you had to put words in my mouth.
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