1 minute ago, paco said:

  

Relax Van.  Only a couple of rando's want that.  The fringe, really.

 

13 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said:

This BS notion of voting for the lesser of evils is just dumb. Hilary and Trump stunk so why people voted 3rd party. Put better candidates out and then people will vote for them. 

You do what you gotta do to keep the fascists at bay.

Well, I guess that's over. I always thought the actual opinion in Roe (basing it on a right to privacy) was weak and misguided, but I saw no reason to overturn it after all this time. I really wish the Court had definitively ruled back then on when Constitutional rights are conferred to the fetus, but they whiffed. And the federal government should have codified this years ago. 

Assuming this goes back to the states, let's see if this motivates voters on the left to finally get off their asses and vote in local elections. I have my doubts. I don't see this decision as opening a door for a national abortion ban from Congress -- it seems that they want this returned to the states.

1 minute ago, paco said:

  

Relax Van.  Only a couple of rando's want that.  The fringe, really.

The Supreme Court IS the fringe.

Just now, Dave Moss said:

The Supreme Court IS the fringe.

rbg should've retired back when obama could've replaced her.  

1 minute ago, vikas83 said:

Well, I guess that's over. I always thought the actual opinion in Roe (basing it on a right to privacy) was weak and misguided, but I saw no reason to overturn it after all this time. I really wish the Court had definitively ruled back then on when Constitutional rights are conferred to the fetus, but they whiffed. And the federal government should have codified this years ago. 

Assuming this goes back to the states, let's see if this motivates voters on the left to finally get off their asses and vote in local elections. I have my doubts. I don't see this decision as opening a door for a national abortion ban from Congress -- it seems that they want this returned to the states.

Likely costs Trump even more of that coveted suburban female vote in 2024

13 minutes ago, VanHammersly said:

I agree, there's far too much disconnect there, but this gives the left a massive, long-term issue that they've been 100% ignoring at the state level, but one that aligns them with 70% of the country.  Getting out the vote is always an issue on the left, but this is a huge boost to that effort.

 

It won't matter what happens at the state level. National ban is next.

Just now, mr_hunt said:

rbg should've retired back when obama could've replaced her.  

Nah

This will make upcoming elections very interesting. Voters will have to decide if their love of murdering babies outweighs being able to afford food and gas. Tough decisions. 

So are we going to fix the child care crisis now or nah?

Just now, Paul852 said:

So are we going to fix the child care crisis now or nah?

2 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

 

It won't matter what happens at the state level. National ban is next.

That would be blatantly Unconstitutional per this ruling (I haven't read all of it, but based on the highlights). If there's ANY logical consistency, it would be overturned and this would be left to the states.

2 minutes ago, Paul852 said:

So are we going to fix the child care crisis now or nah?

Pay for your own kids.

There...fixed.

Just now, vikas83 said:

 

Pay for your own kids.

There...fixed.

You have no idea what the issues are clearly.

Just now, Paul852 said:

You have no idea what the issues are clearly.

Sure I do -- stop subsidizing child care for people who can't afford to have kids. And they'll stop having kids.

Incentives are amazing.

3 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

That would be blatantly Unconstitutional per this ruling (I haven't read all of it, but based on the highlights). If there's ANY logical consistency, it would be overturned and this would be left to the states.

 

I haven't gone through the actual opinion, but all I've heard is that they've said the issue "Should be returned to its people's representatives." It doesn't say state reps., so that leaves the door open from what I can gather.

Just now, vikas83 said:

Sure I do -- stop subsidizing child care for people who can't afford to have kids. And they'll stop having kids.

Incentives are amazing.

Child care providers don't have staff. That's the major issue right now.

7 minutes ago, Paul852 said:

So are we going to fix the child care crisis now or nah?

Seems odd, how years ago there wasn't such a crisis, despite even a BABY BOOM, until that is society blew up the Nuclear family. 

Anyway, I am all for working on that, among other things, like free contraceptives etc.  

My personal feelings are it's a shame we are too lazy as a society where we choose to murder babies as a means of birth control, when there are soo many other options avail to prevent that, that are less costly, and less harmful to all involved.

 

 

 

 

5 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

It won't matter what happens at the state level. National ban is next.

The conservative bloc in this Supreme Court will never do that.  The only way that happens is with Republicans controlling both house and the WH and enacting legislation.

Legally and morally, abortion can be two different issues.  Legally, there is no justification for the Supreme Court usurp a matter like this which lies within the purview of the states.

3 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Sure I do -- stop subsidizing child care for people who can't afford to have kids. And they'll stop having kids.

Incentives are amazing.

I will agree this is part of the issue. 

3 minutes ago, Paul852 said:

Child care providers don't have staff. That's the major issue right now.

Well, then stop giving people money not to work. Stop the stupid eviction moratoriums. Stop giving them food stamps. Don't forgive student loans.

Work or starve. People will come back to work.

Didn't think they'd actually do it

3 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Sure I do -- stop subsidizing child care for people who can't afford to have kids. And they'll stop having kids.

Incentives are amazing.

May also help end the student loan forgiveness debate.  Less people getting worthless degrees and getting ones with real world application.

Just now, paco said:

May also help end the student loan forgiveness debate.  Less people getting worthless degrees and getting ones with real world application.

Added benefits, I like it!

7 minutes ago, Paul852 said:

Child care providers don't have staff. That's the major issue right now.

Hmmm.... maybe roll back the womens movement too then.   Keeping women out of the workplace at home with the kids will fix that AND drive up salaries due a smaller workforce supply.

(Edit: AND!!!! It will shut up the US Womens soccer team.  I really don't see a downside)

(Edit 2: Actually, several posters here may starve to death if that happens)

 

I'm a consultant.  I'm here to help

9 minutes ago, Kz! said:

This will make upcoming elections very interesting. Voters will have to decide if their love of murdering babies outweighs being able to afford food and gas. Tough decisions. 

I won’t be surprised as I think the insanity level of our collective psyche at the moment would in other times lead to ritual human sacrifice