June 24, 20223 yr 2 minutes ago, Procus said: This is purely academic, but the issue is what constitutes the "act". It would depend on how the legislation is worded. If it's a crime to go to another state to get an abortion, perhaps the "act" would include leaving your state to go to another state. If crimes are committed in multiple states, all states involved have jurisdiction to prosecute, and double jeopardy wouldn't be invoked as crazy and unfair as that sounds. I can't imagine travel can be considered a criminal act. If you have the freedom to cross state lines in other states for any purpose without it being an offense, then the same privilege/immunity must be afforded you in all states per the 14th Amendment. Also, the woman could state she was travelling solely for the purpose of a consultation, after which she decided on an immediate abortion, proving the mens rea of travelling for an abortion would be nearly impossible. Also, while certain crimes like interstate theft or homicide can be equally prosecuted in more than one jurisdiction because they involve multiple jurisdictions, the limit is still one prosecution. For example, you murder a man in NY, drive the body through 5 States and dump his body in NC. You can be charged and tried in any one of those jurisdictions, but not more than one of them. A crime spree across many jurisdictions simply results in a joinder of offenses where all are tried in one jurisdiction, one time.
June 24, 20223 yr Author 3 minutes ago, binkybink77 said: What standing would your state of residence be able to prosecute a woman for an abortion that took place in another state? If you were driving drunk in NJ but you live in PA, PA isn’t going to prosecute you. That would be the question. It seems outlandish, but I don't count anything as impossible these days. It ultimately all comes down to the laws within that state and the judge and jury deciding it. The bible-belt states will do what they want.
June 24, 20223 yr 7 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: No one's ever wanted anything more than the right wants the left to riot over this. A leftwing mob rioting? It would be so unusual I might keel over just thinking about it. I mean, it's just tough to even imagine.
June 24, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, EaglesRocker97 said: That would be the question. It seems outlandish, but I don't count anything as impossible these days. It ultimately all comes down to the laws within that state and the judge and jury deciding it. The bible-belt states will do what they want. Some states have passed laws allowing you to rat out your neighbors. I have no doubts there are plenty of rats in those states.
June 24, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, Kz! said: A leftwing mob rioting? It would be so unusual I might keel over just thinking about it. I mean, it's just tough to even imagine. It would be truly unprecedented
June 24, 20223 yr Just now, EaglesRocker97 said: That would be the question. It seems outlandish, but I don't count anything as impossible these days. It ultimately all comes down to the laws within that state and the judge and jury deciding it. The bible-belt states will do what they want. "I don’t count anything as impossible” and "bible-belt states will do what they want” is an exercise in nonsense and is based purely in fear mongering fiction. If you have an actual legal basis for that opinion or a loophole you specifically want to discuss that could be exploited then bring that to the discussion. That a state is going to use it’s resources to subpoena a woman’s period tracker because they think she had an abortion in a state where it is legal and where they don’t even have jurisdiction to prosecute seems a wee bit completely unhinged.
June 24, 20223 yr 2 minutes ago, binkybink77 said: "I don’t count anything as impossible” and "bible-belt states will do what they want” is an exercise in nonsense and is based purely in fear mongering fiction. If you have an actual legal basis for that opinion or a loophole you specifically want to discuss that could be exploited then bring that to the discussion. That a state is going to use it’s resources to subpoena a woman’s period tracker because they think she had an abortion in a state where it is legal and where they don’t even have jurisdiction to prosecute seems a wee bit completely unhinged. Someone's never seen "The Handmaid's Tale," I see.
June 24, 20223 yr Author 7 minutes ago, binkybink77 said: "I don’t count anything as impossible” and "bible-belt states will do what they want” is an exercise in nonsense and is based purely in fear mongering fiction. If you have an actual legal basis for that opinion or a loophole you specifically want to discuss that could be exploited then bring that to the discussion. That a state is going to use it’s resources to subpoena a woman’s period tracker because they think she had an abortion in a state where it is legal and where they don’t even have jurisdiction to prosecute seems a wee bit completely unhinged. It is completely reasonable to be fearful that extreme measures could be taken in this instance. Like I said, a state can do what it wants. It can find a way to prosecute these women if they really want to, and if a jury is on board, they can incarcerate them. It really doesn't staring the imagination too much to see a state like KS, OK, or NE making this their next crusade. And, like others have said, if all else fails, they will fall back on civil litigation.
June 24, 20223 yr Just now, EaglesRocker97 said: It is complete reasonable to be fearful that extreme measures could be taken in this instance. Like I said, a state can do what it wants. It can find a way to prosecute these women if they really want to, and if their populations are on board, they can incarcerate them. It really doesn't staring the imagination too much to see a state like KS, OK, or NE making this their next crusade. And, like others have said, if all else fails, they will fall back on civil litigation. When do you think they'll make them wear the hats?
June 24, 20223 yr Author 1 minute ago, Kz! said: When do you think they'll make them wear the hats? They might save that one for the re-boot of America.
June 24, 20223 yr Author 15 minutes ago, PoconoDon said: I can't imagine travel can be considered a criminal act. If you have the freedom to cross state lines in other states for any purpose without it being an offense, then the same privilege/immunity must be afforded you in all states per the 14th Amendment. The 14th Amendment is specifically one of the things that this Court wants to undue as much as possible. Thomas has made it his life's work to trash that Amendment at every turn. This is his moment in the sun.
June 24, 20223 yr 15 minutes ago, Kz! said: A leftwing mob rioting? It would be so unusual I might keel over just thinking about it. I mean, it's just tough to even imagine. Unfortunately for you guys, Roe is a woman's issue, not a race/cop/Trump issue. Women are usually screaming into the void, not breaking down barricades and trying to beat cops to death with the American flag.
June 24, 20223 yr Just now, EaglesRocker97 said: The 14th Amendment is specifically one of the things that this Court wants to undue as much as possible. Thomas has made it his life's work to trash that Amendment at every turn. This is his moment in the sun. I disagree that this SCOTUS wants to cripple the 14th Amendment. Even if your statement of his desire is true, Thomas won't get what he wants.
June 24, 20223 yr 3 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: Unfortunately for you guys, Roe is a woman's issue, not a race/cop/Trump issue. Women are usually screaming into the void, not breaking down barricades and trying to beat cops to death with the American flag. Got ourselves another biologist here, folks
June 24, 20223 yr 6 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said: The 14th Amendment is specifically one of the things that this Court wants to undue as much as possible. Thomas has made it his life's work to trash that Amendment at every turn. This is his moment in the sun. Maybe one day, the Congress will codify Roe v. Wade and base it on what RBG suggested, Sex Discrimination and Equal Protection instead of Privacy. The laws banning abortion discriminate against women as a class.
June 24, 20223 yr 2 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: Unfortunately for you guys, Roe is a woman's issue, not a race/cop/Trump issue. Women are usually screaming into the void, not breaking down barricades and trying to beat cops to death with the American flag. This. A lot of yelling but little violence is the most likely scenario. A few Antifa groups will stick out but that’s likely the extent of it.
June 24, 20223 yr 21 minutes ago, PoconoDon said: I can't imagine travel can be considered a criminal act. International Travel Act of 1961, 18 U.S.C. § 1952 - makes it a federal crime to, among other things, engage in interstate travel for the purpose of engaging in certain criminal acts
June 24, 20223 yr 6 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: Unfortunately for you guys, Roe is a woman's issue, not a race/cop/Trump issue. Women are usually screaming into the void, not breaking down barricades and trying to beat cops to death with the American flag. 2 minutes ago, mikemack8 said: Got ourselves another biologist here, folks Ishlibs just need to take the day off today. It's just too easy.
June 24, 20223 yr 26 minutes ago, binkybink77 said: What standing would your state of residence be able to prosecute a woman for an abortion that took place in another state? If you were driving drunk in NJ but you live in PA, PA isn’t going to prosecute you. Ummm...the state of PA would certainly suspend your license.
June 24, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, Procus said: International Travel Act of 1961, 18 U.S.C. § 1952 - makes it a federal crime to, among other things, engage in interstate travel for the purpose of engaging in certain criminal acts Congress has the right to regulate Interstate Commerce.
June 24, 20223 yr 2 minutes ago, jsdarkstar said: Maybe one day, the Congress will codify Roe v. Wade and base it on what RBG suggested, Sex Discrimination and Equal Protection instead of Privacy. The laws banning abortion discriminate against women as a class. Sorry, the left only accepts gender neutrality. There are no more "women".
June 24, 20223 yr 2 hours ago, VanHammersly said: Republicans really, really want people to riot. You guys bring it up every day. 31 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: No one's ever wanted anything more than the right wants the left to riot over this. Progressive leftists are very predictible. They Riot when they dont get their own way. Much like a spoiled child, kicks, screams and cries when he doesn't get what he wants. We have years of history, with dozens of examples proving this to be true. You know it to be true, so you are deflecting here, you are embarrassed knowing it will happen, so you lash out at those who are seen as the opposition. Here is something you need to know: I am happy your parents did not abort you. You should also be happy about that. You matter! You are a unique living being, you were given the gift of life, able to take in all of your amazing surroundings and share the wonderment of actual living satient life. And as an added bonus, you are living is the most carefree of times in the history of this planet for humans. Take a minute to reflect on your life, the good, the bad, the sorrow and the happiness and love you have experienced.
June 24, 20223 yr Just now, Procus said: International Travel Act of 1961, 18 U.S.C. § 1952 - makes it a federal crime to, among other things, engage in interstate travel for the purpose of engaging in certain criminal acts That's because the crime(s) are crimes in all of the jurisdictions since it's a federal law that covers the whole country. State to State is different and the fed doesn't enforce state laws so it seems moot on its face.
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