22 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

There is no proof that he has improved from last year as no games have been played, but there is plenty of reason to be optimistic that he will.   He improved tremendously over the course of his college career.  I didn't like him coming out of college but he improved from college into his rookie season and flashed enough to impress me as a rookie.  Then he took some major steps forward in his second year which was also his first year starting which will help him all the more because it gave him exactly what every young QB needs and that is experience.  The opportunity to succeed and fail and see what works, what doesn't and what teams are doing against him so he can work in the offseason to improve in those areas.

 

The fact is the players who absolutely love the game and their entire focus is be as good as they can be, that are as receptive to coaching and being taught as Jalen is, to have that work ethic and passion...those are the players that will have the absolutely best chance of hitting their ceiling.  So it comes down to the fact that I don't at all believe that Jalen Hurts has hit his ceiling.  I don't think Jalen Hurts in 2021 is the best version of Jalen Hurts that is possible.  

 

The only question to be is how high or low is his remaining ceiling.  You could think he doesn't have much ceiling left and so his improvement this year would be minimal and not much of a leap forward.  And that could very well be the case.  But I don't believe it is.  I think by the end of this upcoming season he will be considered a top 10 QB in the league or right in that area.  

Where did you see improvement?  Was it the 9 games under 200 yards passing?  6 games without a passing TD?

Again, I'd love for him to be the guy who I didn't see improvement at all.  I saw the same QB from game 1 to game 17 and the playoffs.  A QB who doesn't trust his protection, bails and runs around in the pocket for no reason and can't make more than 1 read.  Opposing coaches saw it too.  I quote, "This guy can't read".  It's not something that us who doubt Hurts just make up, it's known around the league.

 

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I posted this a couple pages back. I’m surprised no one said anything on it. Their WR corps is actually pretty solid if Thomas is healthy, landry and olave (assuming he’s not a bust like reagor)

It was talked about a few pages back from your post 

37 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

There is no proof that he has improved from last year as no games have been played, but there is plenty of reason to be optimistic that he will.   He improved tremendously over the course of his college career.  I didn't like him coming out of college but he improved from college into his rookie season and flashed enough to impress me as a rookie.  Then he took some major steps forward in his second year which was also his first year starting which will help him all the more because it gave him exactly what every young QB needs and that is experience.  The opportunity to succeed and fail and see what works, what doesn't and what teams are doing against him so he can work in the offseason to improve in those areas.

 

The fact is the players who absolutely love the game and their entire focus is be as good as they can be, that are as receptive to coaching and being taught as Jalen is, to have that work ethic and passion...those are the players that will have the absolutely best chance of hitting their ceiling.  So it comes down to the fact that I don't at all believe that Jalen Hurts has hit his ceiling.  I don't think Jalen Hurts in 2021 is the best version of Jalen Hurts that is possible.  

 

The only question to be is how high or low is his remaining ceiling.  You could think he doesn't have much ceiling left and so his improvement this year would be minimal and not much of a leap forward.  And that could very well be the case.  But I don't believe it is.  I think by the end of this upcoming season he will be considered a top 10 QB in the league or right in that area.  

He's got the same weaknesses he's had since college and he's 3 years removed

So, same old same old. 1500 or whatever pages last Blog, 111 pages this one and....still...

Polarized on the QB, WRs, DLine and LB Corps. On the fence with Siri, Gannon a question mark, the only constant bright spot seems to be Stout and his penchant for coachin em up ( except for Dillard, of course).

Nothing I can add would change the course of the narrative around this place, or mitigate the constant infighting.

I'll check back when Training Camp starts. Don't expect much different. Exhausting, boring, predictable.

Save ya the trouble..."Bye Felicia" 

 

 

28 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I posted this a couple pages back. I’m surprised no one said anything on it. Their WR corps is actually pretty solid if Thomas is healthy, landry and olave (assuming he’s not a bust like reagor)

It's an interesting group. I like all three. I don't know if Thomas will be ready to play or not though. You could also argue they're all best suited for the slot, so it'll be interesting to see how they use them.

3 minutes ago, Doc S. said:

So, same old same old. 1500 or whatever pages last Blog, 111 pages this one and....still...

Polarized on the QB, WRs, DLine and LB Corps. On the fence with Siri, Gannon a question mark, the only constant bright spot seems to be Stout and his penchant for coachin em up ( except for Dillard, of course).

Nothing I can add would change the course of the narrative around this place, or mitigate the constant infighting.

I'll check back when Training Camp starts. Don't expect much different. Exhausting, boring, predictable.

Save ya the trouble..."Bye Felicia" 

 

 

I think everyone is pretty excited about Smith and Brown for when a better passer is starting

19 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

It was talked about a few pages back from your post 

Really? I’m scatterbrained today with everything going on around the sixers 

9 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

It's an interesting group. I like all three. I don't know if Thomas will be ready to play or not though. You could also argue that they're all best suited for the slot, so it'll be interesting to see how they use them.

Might be true they are all better suited for the slot. However i still imagine those three are a significant upgrade at wr then anything they had last year. 

30 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Where did you see improvement?  Was it the 9 games under 200 yards passing?  6 games without a passing TD?

Again, I'd love for him to be the guy who I didn't see improvement at all.  I saw the same QB from game 1 to game 17 and the playoffs.  A QB who doesn't trust his protection, bails and runs around in the pocket for no reason and can't make more than 1 read.  Opposing coaches saw it too.  I quote, "This guy can't read".  It's not something that us who doubt Hurts just make up, it's known around the league.

 

Did Hurts improve from this?  Looked pretty similar at the end of the season.

5 hours ago, Mike030270 said:

New GM/HC may want a passer and not a runner

Minshew is cheaper and better than Hurts

It's not like stopgaps are expensive

fyp

Wait. 
 

 

 

Eagles aren’t playing Jets as the final preseason game???? How did that not get talked about. 

2 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Wait. 
 

 

 

Eagles aren’t playing Jets as the final preseason game???? How did that not get talked about. 

Jets had the game moved, they are scared of Minshew and want Hurts

32 minutes ago, Doc S. said:

So, same old same old. 1500 or whatever pages last Blog, 111 pages this one and....still...

Polarized on the QB, WRs, DLine and LB Corps. On the fence with Siri, Gannon a question mark, the only constant bright spot seems to be Stout and his penchant for coachin em up ( except for Dillard, of course).

Nothing I can add would change the course of the narrative around this place, or mitigate the constant infighting.

I'll check back when Training Camp starts. Don't expect much different. Exhausting, boring, predictable.

Save ya the trouble..."Bye Felicia" 

 

 

Did you actually expect something different?  While I agree it's predictable,  you can't possibly think this forum is where minds are changed?  This forum is where minds are static, repetitive,  and largly inflexible, but it can be entertaining and there are nuggets of interest every now and again.

43 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

He's got the same weaknesses he's had since college and he's 3 years removed

Yup

same reasons he lost his job at bama

45 minutes ago, Doc S. said:

So, same old same old. 1500 or whatever pages last Blog, 111 pages this one and....still...

Polarized on the QB, WRs, DLine and LB Corps. On the fence with Siri, Gannon a question mark, the only constant bright spot seems to be Stout and his penchant for coachin em up ( except for Dillard, of course).

Nothing I can add would change the course of the narrative around this place, or mitigate the constant infighting.

I'll check back when Training Camp starts. Don't expect much different. Exhausting, boring, predictable.

Save ya the trouble..."Bye Felicia" 

 

 

It’s May

We'll find out. All the summer fluff pieces mean nothing, same with all the pessimistic projections.

We know they have better skill players, that the OL might be the best in the NFL and has added depth, that the front seven should both be more talented and more suited to what Gannon wants to do.

Hurts and the secondary are the two question marks.  All the arguing in the world won't tell us anything, just have to wait until September.

1 hour ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I posted this a couple pages back. I’m surprised no one said anything on it. Their WR corps is actually pretty solid if Thomas is healthy, landry and olave (assuming he’s not a bust like reagor)

The joke went over your head good buddy.

2 minutes ago, austinfan said:

We'll find out. All the summer fluff pieces mean nothing, same with all the pessimistic projections.

We know they have better skill players, that the OL might be the best in the NFL and has added depth, that the front seven should both be more talented and more suited to what Gannon wants to do.

Hurts and the secondary are the two question marks.  All the arguing in the world won't tell us anything, just have to wait until September.

Then go away until September

1 hour ago, bpac55 said:

Where did you see improvement?  Was it the 9 games under 200 yards passing?  6 games without a passing TD?

Again, I'd love for him to be the guy who I didn't see improvement at all.  I saw the same QB from game 1 to game 17 and the playoffs.  A QB who doesn't trust his protection, bails and runs around in the pocket for no reason and can't make more than 1 read.  Opposing coaches saw it too.  I quote, "This guy can't read".  It's not something that us who doubt Hurts just make up, it's known around the league.

 

 

 

Where did I see improvement?  His completion percentage went up 10 points! He went from a 1-3 record as a rookie to a 8-7 record in his second year taking this team to the playoffs as the youngest QB in franchise history to do so.  Fumbles to me were my biggest concern about Hurts after his rookie year and he cut those down in a major way in his second season.  Interceptions too were down.  Developing into a quality QB takes time in the NFL.  Even after that the best QBs in this league are at their best when they are in their 30s past their physical primes.  It's because of the knowledge and experience they gain over time.  The areas of Jalen's game where he needs to make the most improvement are areas in his game where he absolutely can make that improvement.  There isn't a physical limitation stopping that.  There isn't an immaturity or lack of commitment to do that.  If Jalen Hurts was acting like Michael Vick was during his time in Atlanta just thinking he's arrived and he's great and he doesn't need to put any of the time in during the week or during the offseason and he can just show up on Sunday and just try to wing it every play.   That's not Jalen though.  Jalen is someone with tremendous work ethic with a chip on his shoulder whose entire focus and devotion in life is to improving as a QB.  That is someone to be optimistic about, not hatefully pessimistic.  

1 hour ago, bpac55 said:

Where did you see improvement?  Was it the 9 games under 200 yards passing?  6 games without a passing TD?

Again, I'd love for him to be the guy who I didn't see improvement at all.  I saw the same QB from game 1 to game 17 and the playoffs.  A QB who doesn't trust his protection, bails and runs around in the pocket for no reason and can't make more than 1 read.  Opposing coaches saw it too.  I quote, "This guy can't read".  It's not something that us who doubt Hurts just make up, it's known around the league.

 

Oh, whatever.. what does the Bucs defensive coach know? Clearly he’s not going off the.. gut feeling.. that Hurts is in for a great year and vast improvement. 

4 hours ago, BigEFly said:

Herbig wasn’t a great fit.  But I also think Opeta is done.  He was awful against the Tampa DL.   I wonder how they feel about Toth.  Although he was on the PS most of the year, I really liked his play at G.  I suspect cutting Herbig reflects what they have seen of Seumalo in the off season program as much as anything.  I am curious about Awosika. I am also very curious about Dillard as a G.

Has there been Any mention from any coaches that Dillard is going to be tried out at guard or is it just  fan speculation due to him gaining that infamous 10-15 lbs of off-season muscle?

14 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

 

Where did I see improvement?  His completion percentage went up 10 points! He went from a 1-3 record as a rookie to a 8-7 record in his second year taking this team to the playoffs as the youngest QB in franchise history to do so.  Fumbles to me were my biggest concern about Hurts after his rookie year and he cut those down in a major way in his second season.  Interceptions too were down.  Developing into a quality QB takes time in the NFL.  Even after that the best QBs in this league are at their best when they are in their 30s past their physical primes.  It's because of the knowledge and experience they gain over time.  The areas of Jalen's game where he needs to make the most improvement are areas in his game where he absolutely can make that improvement.  There isn't a physical limitation stopping that.  There isn't an immaturity or lack of commitment to do that.  If Jalen Hurts was acting like Michael Vick was during his time in Atlanta just thinking he's arrived and he's great and he doesn't need to put any of the time in during the week or during the offseason and he can just show up on Sunday and just try to wing it every play.   That's not Jalen though.  Jalen is someone with tremendous work ethic with a chip on his shoulder whose entire focus and devotion in life is to improving as a QB.  That is someone to be optimistic about, not hatefully pessimistic.  

Tim Tebow had alot ift those same attributes you mentioned and still it wasnt enough to make up for his inability to play QB.

I like Hurts, he seems like a solid guy,good teammate, works hard, wants to be better, and having said that his lack of arm talent and ability to process quickly and play QB from the pocket and deliver throws accurately and on time don't give me much encouragement that he can be much better than he was last year.

20 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

 

Where did I see improvement?  His completion percentage went up 10 points! He went from a 1-3 record as a rookie to a 8-7 record in his second year taking this team to the playoffs as the youngest QB in franchise history to do so.  Fumbles to me were my biggest concern about Hurts after his rookie year and he cut those down in a major way in his second season.  Interceptions too were down.  Developing into a quality QB takes time in the NFL.  Even after that the best QBs in this league are at their best when they are in their 30s past their physical primes.  It's because of the knowledge and experience they gain over time.  The areas of Jalen's game where he needs to make the most improvement are areas in his game where he absolutely can make that improvement.  There isn't a physical limitation stopping that.  There isn't an immaturity or lack of commitment to do that.  If Jalen Hurts was acting like Michael Vick was during his time in Atlanta just thinking he's arrived and he's great and he doesn't need to put any of the time in during the week or during the offseason and he can just show up on Sunday and just try to wing it every play.   That's not Jalen though.  Jalen is someone with tremendous work ethic with a chip on his shoulder whose entire focus and devotion in life is to improving as a QB.  That is someone to be optimistic about, not hatefully pessimistic.  

Talk about parroting echo-chamber pro Hurts talking points 

20 minutes ago, blindside said:

Oh, whatever.. what does the Bucs defensive coach know? Clearly he’s not going off the.. gut feeling.. that Hurts is in for a great year and vast improvement. 

Clearly, that coach is racist.

1 hour ago, Mike030270 said:

I think everyone is pretty excited about Smith and Brown for when a better passer is starting

I agree, except, same old, same old....