4 hours ago, pallidrone said:

Chip  - one if the healthiest teams in the league

Dougie - one of the most injured teams

Siri - one of the more healthier teams in the league

The problem was partly Doug's methods and partly the Eagles having a bunch of older players.

I think they will be fine this year.

 It looks like since the CBA was changed and now there is less offseason work for players, injuries have gone up.  

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2020/2019-adjusted-games-lost-part-i

Average AGL, 2002-2019, Starters Only
Year	AGL
2002	31.5
2003	32.2
2004	42.2
2005	32.7
2006	34.4
2007	42.0
2008	45.1
2009	46.2
2010	42.2
2011	50.0
2012	51.1
2013	49.7
2014	54.4
2015	56.4
2016	62.1
2017	58.6
2018	57.3
2019	64.3

 

Team	2019 AGL	Rk	2018 AGL	Rk	Dif	DVOA
MIN	25.6	1	70.2	12	-44.6	15.3%
TB	39.5	2	105.6	30	-66.1	1.4%
TEN	43.6	3	64.7	11	-21.2	8.1%
DAL	51.8	4	75.2	17	-23.5	17.2%
ATL	53.2	5	75.9	18	-22.7	-5.3%
SEA	56.5	6	62.7	10	-6.2	13.5%
CLE	56.8	7	47.9	6	+8.9	-9.7%
NO	58.3	8	50.0	7	+8.3	29.3%
PIT	60.5	9	38.5	5	+22.0	-5.4%
LAR	60.6	10	37.9	4	+22.7	5.2%
BUF	64.6	11	31.0	2	+33.6	3.0%
IND	65.3	12	108.6	31	-43.3	-5.0%
CHI	65.4	13	34.5	3	+30.9	-2.1%
GB	65.6	14	89.7	22	-24.1	7.7%
CAR	66.2	15	102.6	29	-36.4	-26.7%
BAL	68.7	16	28.5	1	+40.2	41.8%
NYG	72.6	17	51.2	8	+21.5	-17.4%
KC	75.8	18	60.1	9	+15.6	30.2%
HOU	78.2	19	85.3	21	-7.2	-5.8%
CIN	83.2	20	97.9	27	-14.7	-25.3%
PHI	84.4	21	117.0	32	-32.6	6.6%
ARI	85.0	22	92.3	23	-7.3	-5.8%
NE	85.0	23	75.2	16	+9.9	30.8%
DET	87.8	24	74.7	15	+13.1	-12.0%
DEN	89.2	25	73.6	14	+15.7	-9.0%
OAK	93.4	26	77.3	19	+16.1	-11.6%
SF	95.8	27	97.2	26	-1.4	27.9%
MIA	100.0	28	93.1	24	+6.9	-37.4%
JAX	100.2	29	102.5	28	-2.3	-17.8%
LAC	103.0	30	83.0	20	+20.0	-6.8%
WAS	131.0	31	95.6	25	+35.3	-25.6%
NYJ	160.1	32	70.4	13	+89.6	-15.6%

 2019 Jets were the 2nd most injured team in Football outsiders  history. 

2019

Team	Offensive AGL	Rk	Defensive AGL	Rk	Dif
BAL	9.7	1	59.1	31	+49.4
DAL	11.3	2	40.5	21	+29.2
MIN	11.7	3	13.9	2	+2.1
CLE	15.4	4	41.4	23	+26.0
ATL	15.5	5	37.7	18	+22.2
TB	17.0	6	22.5	4	+5.6
TEN	19.7	7	23.9	6	+4.2
NO	23.2	8	35.1	17	+11.8
LAR	29.8	9	30.8	15	+1.0
PHI	30.3	10	54.1	29	+23.8
PIT	30.6	11	30.0	14	-0.6
SEA	31.5	12	25.0	7	-6.5
KC	32.2	13	43.6	24	+11.4
CAR	36.5	14	29.7	13	-6.8
CHI	36.9	15	28.5	12	-8.4
IND	38.6	16	26.7	9	-11.9
GB	39.5	17	26.2	8	-13.3
DEN	41.0	18	48.3	27	+7.3
MIA	43.0	19	57.0	30	+14.0
ARI	45.6	20	39.4	19	-6.3
BUF	46.5	21	18.1	3	-28.5
NYG	49.0	22	23.6	5	-25.4
SF	49.5	23	46.4	26	-3.1
HOU	50.5	24	27.7	11	-22.8
OAK	52.4	25	41.1	22	-11.3
JAX	55.4	26	44.8	25	-10.6
CIN	55.9	27	27.3	10	-28.6
DET	56.5	28	31.3	16	-25.2
LAC	62.7	29	40.3	20	-22.5
NE	73.7	30	11.4	1	-62.3
NYJ	76.4	31	83.7	32	+7.2
WAS	81.9	32	49.1	28	-32.9

Harbaugh in Baltimore is known for physical training camps, plus his goofy arse Preseason game win streak. 

 

12 hours ago, Saltpeter said:

If folks are trying to insinuate those teams at the top are better suited for postseason football, that's a little iffy. 3 of the top 6 teams crapped the bed in the playoffs.

Remind me again... did the Eagles not crap the bed in the playoffs?

6 hours ago, Westbrook#36 said:

Who is this Fing guy, and why is he here?

youngling, how old are you and you're on my list now

10 minutes ago, olsilverhair said:

youngling, how old are you and you're on my list now

Up early? Wake up in your own urine again you old drunk? 

Just looking at the Jags depth chart, BWF mentioned a trade, Reagor for LB K'Lavon Chaisson. I'd be "ok" with that I guess. He hasn't done much of anything but has plenty of athleticism and upside there to unlock, you get him for two more years plus the 5th year option. We don't have a ton of young talent in that pass rusher room so why not. I would continue to explore options but Reagor just doesn't have much value at all and I want him out before game 1

But looking at the Jags LB depth chart, holy F that might be the best young LB corps on paper in the league. Foyesade who lead the league in tackles, Devin Lloyd and Chad Muma. Geezus that can be really good. I'm very curious to see how they play together. Muma was one of the linebackers I coveted along with Foyesade in FA. 

7 hours ago, Iggles25 said:

Hoping that a NFL strength and conditioning program and some great technique coaching unleashes the freak in Davis. 

I watched every Dawgs game last year. Dude absolutely stifled run games and set up his teammates for big plays. And I think he can be a pocket wrecker in time. The potential is there.

My concern is that we have built a run stopping defense susceptible to the pass and a running offense that does not do well with volume passing.  Our current roster would be dominant in 1982.

1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Remind me again... did the Eagles not crap the bed in the playoffs?

No. They were a bad team that got in for no good reason and got bounced as they deserved.

The Eagles were a low-tier playoff team last year...and added Jordan Davis, Hassan Reddick, Naboke Dean, AJ Brown and James Bradberry. They also get the benefit of year 2 in the scheme and only one player off a very serious injury (Graham - achilles).

Yet, people are confused about optimism.

33 minutes ago, justrelax said:

No. They were a bad team that got in for no good reason and got bounced as they deserved.

Sounds like the two go hand and hand to me. 

They crapped the bed because they were a bad team that didnt belong in the playoffs.

Well that and they have a RB starting at QB. 

41 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

My concern is that we have built a run stopping defense susceptible to the pass and a running offense that does not do well with volume passing.  Our current roster would be dominant in 1982.

The defense is not built to be a run stopping defense. It is built to be a pass stopping defense. Because the front 4 is supposed to be able to handle the run pretty much on its own, it allows you to commit just about everyone else to coverage now. The DL is a run stopping DL. But the LBs are coverage LBs. And those CBs should be one of the best CB tandems in the league. 

2 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Remind me again... did the Eagles not crap the bed in the playoffs?

 

55 minutes ago, justrelax said:

No. They were a bad team that got in for no good reason and got bounced as they deserved.

I suppose crapping the bed implies performing well below ability.  To that extent, I would agree that they didn’t really crap the bed, just didn’t belong.

For instance, the best team they beat all year was probably the 7-10 Matt Ryan-led Falcons, who might be a nice pick for worst team in the NFL in 2022.

10 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

My issue is why back yourself into a corner giving Gannon a guy like Davis when Gannon very well could be gone in a year. 

Davis can play any scheme 

10 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

My issue is why back yourself into a corner giving Gannon a guy like Davis when Gannon very well could be gone in a year. 

I don’t think they backed themselves into a corner. It’s not like Gannon is the only one running this type of scheme and Davis can only fit in this scheme.

Howie also isn’t stupid and has even said he feels Gannon is like a rental because he will get more HC opportunities. Just like the team needs to draft good talent and develop it, they probably have a succession plan and hopeful for the developing coaching talent behind him.

I highly doubt they would go through this multi-year transition on defense just to scrap it when/if Gannon leaves. 

1 hour ago, HazletonEagle said:

The defense is not built to be a run stopping defense. It is built to be a pass stopping defense. Because the front 4 is supposed to be able to handle the run pretty much on its own, it allows you to commit just about everyone else to coverage now. The DL is a run stopping DL. But the LBs are coverage LBs. And those CBs should be one of the best CB tandems in the league. 

If you can handle it, I think people should re-watch the playoff game against the Bucs and see what their defense did to the Eagles. Birds had a top rushing offense and couldn’t get anything going up the middle. I think Howard had less than 3 attempts all game. Since the run was stopped, the Bucs just sat back and picked apart the routes or were able to blitz and get to the QB quickly.

I think this is a similar model the Birds want to run, but with some more flexibility. 

1 hour ago, RLC said:

The Eagles were a low-tier playoff team last year...and added Jordan Davis, Hassan Reddick, Naboke Dean, AJ Brown and James Bradberry. They also get the benefit of year 2 in the scheme and only one player off a very serious injury (Graham - achilles).

Yet, people are confused about optimism.

We've got a massive question mark at the single-most important position in all of football. 

Of course there's going to be confusion about the optimism.  The defense being stacked is great but if Hurts doesn't get it together, we're going nowhere.

6 minutes ago, wussbasket said:

If you can handle it, I think people should re-watch the playoff game against the Bucs and see what their defense did to the Eagles. Birds had a top rushing offense and couldn’t get anything going up the middle. I think Howard had less than 3 attempts all game. Since the run was stopped, the Bucs just sat back and picked apart the routes or were able to blitz and get to the QB quickly.

I think this is a similar model the Birds want to run, but with some more flexibility. 

Howard had 0 rushes 

18 minutes ago, wussbasket said:

If you can handle it, I think people should re-watch the playoff game against the Bucs and see what their defense did to the Eagles. Birds had a top rushing offense and couldn’t get anything going up the middle. I think Howard had less than 3 attempts all game. Since the run was stopped, the Bucs just sat back and picked apart the routes or were able to blitz and get to the QB quickly.

I think this is a similar model the Birds want to run, but with some more flexibility. 

Really can just watch Georgia too. There were clips on Twitter of their DC talking about the evolution of their defense and showing what's made possible by a front 4 handling the run by themselves. And why they went that way.  Also says pass rushers want to rush so you have to let them every now and then to keep them happy. But that's also probably why they had so many athletic freaks on the DL without great sack production. 

12 hours ago, justrelax said:

It's not. 

4 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Remind me again... did the Eagles not crap the bed in the playoffs?

Not only that we made the playoffs due to the nfl changing it to 7 teams and we played in the nfc which was far weaker than the afc. The afc had 10 of 16 teams finish over .500. The nfc had 8 of 16. One of the 8 was the saints who played with siemian and taysom hill at QB for 10 games. They finished .500 due to the 5-2 start and once Jameis got hurt went 4-6. Furthermore 4 teams in the afc finished 3 or more games below .500. The nfc had 7 of the 8 below .500 teams finish 3 or more games below .500. The nfc as long as you are right around average you are likely to make the playoffs cause the conference is top heavy with a lot of bad teams like bears, lions, giants, seattle, Carolina and atlanta. Afc has really the jags, jets and houston. The rest of the teams are all vying for the playoffs. Like after those 3 in afc Denver and cleveland had the next two worse records at 7-10 and 8-9. Both of those Teams made significant moves at QB. And Baltimore went 8-9 but has lamar back (who knows if he stays healthy) 

4 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

The nfc had 7 of the 8 below .500 teams finish 3 or more games below .500.

And two of those teams were in the Eagles division.

1 minute ago, downundermike said:

And two of those teams were in the Eagles division.

Yeah nfc east last year boosted the cowboys and eagles. the afc is ridiculous.  6 teams who missed the playoffs in the afc in the chargers, colts, dolphins, broncos, browns and ravens all made nice moves to their rosters this year (maybe not baltimore so much and colts could go either way depending on if Matt Ryan is done). 

11 hours ago, Saltpeter said:

I recall Cosell's point being a little different than your interpretation. Davis isn't limited by a lack of power -- that would be a downright silly assertion -- but he hasn't learned how use his size/athleticism/power combination as well as Vea has.

Don't allow your Eagles pessimism to fool you into thinking Davis isn't a freak show anomaly. He clearly is.

Never said Davis wasn't a freak show, nor did I feel I was being pessimistic just objective, as was cossell.

I recall my interpretation of what cosell said to be fairly accurate.

He was talking about the difference between strength and power and how Many conflate the two 

He said Davis is more a strong player than a powerful one and on tape didn't show some of the powerful explosive plays that Vita does/did.

Does that mean Davis can't? No just means he didn't show much of that in college 

Watching Davis I don't see Vita at all, I see John Henderson, a really big long guy who is tough to move though Davis is more athletic than Henderson was.

Like I said I think Davis will fit in well with what Gannon wants to do on D, he'll be able to control 2 gaps be an immovable force and allow other dudes to make plays, any splash plays he gets, tackles for losses, sacks, QB  hits are a bonus.

Hopefully he can keep his weight in check and continue to get stronger 

4 hours ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

Up early? Wake up in your own urine again you old drunk? 

you just made the list

11 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

My issue is why back yourself into a corner giving Gannon a guy like Davis when Gannon very well could be gone in a year. 

Hopefully if Gannon is gone next year his replacement is in house or someone who runs similar schemes, because as you said would be an awful waste to draft Davis for gannons scheme to have Gannon leave a year later and then change schemes where Davis is a square peg 

Davis was drafted specifically for gannons scheme.