5 minutes ago, olsilverhair said:

you just made the list

You a school shooter or something? 

1 hour ago, ToastJenkins said:

Davis can play any scheme 

Most players can play in any scheme, question is which scheme are they most effective in?

Gannon thinks Davis can be most effective in his scheme.

We'll see🤞

3 hours ago, justrelax said:

No. They were a bad team that got in for no good reason and got bounced as they deserved.

That's fair.  My point is, the Eagles didn't play well in the playoffs, so to use the teams that were above them playing poorly as a reason for optimism is a bit off the mark.  The Eagles would need significant improvement just to reach the level of the teams that were crapping the bed in the playoffs.

2 hours ago, RLC said:

The Eagles were a low-tier playoff team last year...and added Jordan Davis, Hassan Reddick, Naboke Dean, AJ Brown and James Bradberry. They also get the benefit of year 2 in the scheme and only one player off a very serious injury (Graham - achilles).

Yet, people are confused about optimism.

The Eagles should not have been a playoff team last year.  

1 hour ago, hukdonfoniks said:

We've got a massive question mark at the single-most important position in all of football. 

Of course there's going to be confusion about the optimism.  The defense being stacked is great but if Hurts doesn't get it together, we're going nowhere.

That's a bit of an exaggeration.  Both safety positions are still a massive unknown.

24 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

You a school shooter or something? 

15 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

That's fair.  My point is, the Eagles didn't play well in the playoffs, so to use the teams that were above them playing poorly as a reason for optimism is a bit off the mark.  The Eagles would need significant improvement just to reach the level of the teams that were crapping the bed in the playoffs.

The Eagles should not have been a playoff team last year.  

The Eagles had the seventh best record in a conference in which seven teams make the playoffs. Of course they were a deserving playoff team.

 

1 minute ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

The Eagles had the seventh best record in a conference in which seven teams make the playoffs. Of course they were a deserving playoff team.

 

There should not have been 7 teams.  They made the playoff product too watered down.  Same is true of the 7th seed in the AFC.  Both 7 seeds were embarrassed in that 7-2 matchup.

13 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

That's a bit of an exaggeration.  Both safety positions are still a massive unknown.

Anthony Harris is serviceable.  Whether it's Epps or Wallace or whoever else opposite him, one weakness at one position doesn't take away from how solid the rest of the defense looks.

Just now, hukdonfoniks said:

Anthony Harris is serviceable.  Whether it's Epps or Wallace or whoever else opposite him, one weakness at one position doesn't take away from how solid the rest of the defense looks.

Was he serviceable last year?  

Thanks for taking a step back in your hyperbole though.  "solid" is very different from "stacked".  The 1991 Eagles defense was stacked.  This defense is not.

I can't wait for the NFL to really expand the playoffs.   12 teams seems like the right number.

1 through 4 get byes.

5 vs 12, 6 vs 11, 7 vs 10 and 8 vs 9.

Then reshuffle.

1 plays lowest remaining seed, 2 plays next lowest, etc. 

This adds an entire extra week of playoffs and would actually be better than expanding to 18 regular season games.

 

 

/sarcasm

 

Fixed the number to make it fit better.

 

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

 

Kelce and Stoutland. How can you not love these guys?

14 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

There should not have been 7 teams.  They made the playoff product too watered down.  Same is true of the 7th seed in the AFC.  Both 7 seeds were embarrassed in that 7-2 matchup.

Regardless of whether or not they should have made the playoffs, they were the seventh best team in the NFC, which is a pretty big leap from the previous year, when they were either 14th or 15th.

So you should be happy to see this kind of progress. But you probably aren't. And you will probably now subject everyone to all the reasons they shouldn't be encouraged by that kind of progress. 

1 hour ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Yeah nfc east last year boosted the cowboys and eagles. the afc is ridiculous.  6 teams who missed the playoffs in the afc in the chargers, colts, dolphins, broncos, browns and ravens all made nice moves to their rosters this year (maybe not baltimore so much and colts could go either way depending on if Matt Ryan is done). 

I think Matt Ryan is absolute toast and the Ravens aren’t going anywhere with Jackson at qb.

13 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

Regardless of whether or not they should have made the playoffs, they were the seventh best team in the NFC, which is a pretty big leap from the previous year, when they were either 14th or 15th.

So you should be happy to see this kind of progress. But you probably aren't. And you will probably now subject everyone to all the reasons they shouldn't be encouraged by that kind of progress. 

They got a little better last year, not a lot. I think they got much better in the last two months. I am encouraged by that.

28 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I can't wait for the NFL to really expand the playoffs.   10 teams seems like the right number.

 

1 & 2 get byes.

3 vs 10, 4 vs 9, 5 vs 8 and 6 vs 7.

Then reshuffle.

1 plays lowest remaining seed, 2 plays next lowest, highest next seed plays next highest and last two matchup.  

This adds an entire extra week of playoffs and would actually be better than expanding to 18 regular season games.

 

 

/sarcasm

I think every team should make the playoffs. They all deserve a chance.

10 minutes ago, justrelax said:

They got a little better last year, not a lot. I think they got much better in the last two months. I am encouraged by that.

On offense they were a lot better. The defense was pretty much the same.

If the defense can show a similar jump this year as the offense did last year, and if the offense can continue to improve, we should be in the conversation for top four in the NFC, which is a pretty realistic goal and which everyone should be happy about.

NFL Rookie Premier and the Eagles send...

 

 

 

 

 

 

Carson Strong

Looks like the young man has trimmed down noticeably. Perhaps coming from some advice from the folks in SoCal?

2 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

NFL Rookie Premier and the Eagles send...

 

 

 

 

 

 

Carson Strong

Not sure if that’s a good omen for him or bad. The drafted players are currently hanging out with the owner. 

"tHe EaGlEs ShOuLd NoT hAvE bEeN a pLaYoFf TeAm lAsT yEaR!"

12 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

NFL Rookie Premier and the Eagles send...

 

 

 

 

 

 

Carson Strong

Interesting. Wonder why they chose him?

13 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

"tHe EaGlEs ShOuLd NoT hAvE bEeN a pLaYoFf TeAm lAsT yEaR!"

Odd argument indeed.

In the early 70s, only 4 teams in each conference made the playoffs, right? Expanding the playoff landscape is part of what has improved the product and will again.

If the Eagles didn't want Williams or Reid at their prices, why would they want Bates who will cost as much as Williams plus expensive draft compensation. I like Bates but don't see it happening. 

Eagles 2022 roster vs 2017 roster(going into the season for both)

QB - 2017. Went played MVP caliber ball

RB - 2022. Even with their flaws I’ll take the youth and upside of Sanders and Gainwell over Blount and Clement. Certainly not a blowout. Also like the pass catching versatility of Sanders and Gainwell. I could see why others would vote 2017 though.

WR - 2022. Not even close. AJ Brown is better than any WR on the 2017 roster by a wide margin and Smith also has a chance to be. Watkins I think could very well give you what Agholor gave you that year numbers wise. He put up about 650 in 2021 with a majorly running offense.

OL - close to even. Brooks at RG way better than any current RG on the roster. Peters at that point is probably even with Mailata. Dickerson is superior to Wisnieski. I’ll actually take Dillard over Vaitai as a depth OT. Vaitai wasn’t very good. I actually think 2022 has better depth, but maybe a little less seasoned with experience.

TE - 2017. Love Goedert, but can’t go against Ertz at that point. And Burton was very good in 2017.

DL - 2022. No Chris Long, but Jordan Davis and Hargrave are both more talented than Jernigan. Cox better then than he is now. Think the DT depth separates them.

LB - 2022. Not even close. Bradham was very good, but Reddick, Dean, White alone makes this a superior LB group. Most talent the Eagles have had there since the early 2000s.

CB - 2022. Not even close. Eagles have a top 7 CB group probably. The 2017 group was not very good. Darby and Mills were both very mediocre. And that’s being kind.

S - 2017. Not really a debate.

K - even

P - 2017

 

I think the 2022 roster going into the season is a better roster than 2017. With the big difference that year being QB play and the coaching staff was elite.

1 minute ago, Sack that QB said:

Eagles 2022 roster vs 2017 roster(going into the season for both)

QB - 2017. Went played MVP caliber ball

RB - 2022. Even with their flaws I’ll take the youth and upside of Sanders and Gainwell over Blount and Clement. Certainly not a blowout. Also like the pass catching versatility of Sanders and Gainwell. I could see why others would vote 2017 though.

WR - 2022. Not even close. AJ Brown is better than any WR on the 2017 roster by a wide margin and Smith also has a chance to be. Watkins I think could very well give you what Agholor gave you that year numbers wise. He put up about 650 in 2021 with a majorly running offense.

OL - close to even. Brooks at RG way better than any current RG on the roster. Peters at that point is probably even with Mailata. Dickerson is superior to Wisnieski. I’ll actually take Dillard over Vaitai as a depth OT. Vaitai wasn’t very good. I actually think 2022 has better depth, but maybe a little less seasoned with experience.

TE - 2017. Love Goedert, but can’t go against Ertz at that point. And Burton was very good in 2017.

DL - 2022. No Chris Long, but Jordan Davis and Hargrave are both more talented than Jernigan. Cox better than then he is now. Think the DT depth separates them.

LB - 2022. Not even close. Bradham was very good, but Reddick, Dean, White alone makes this a superior LB group. Most talent the Eagles have had there since the early 2000s.

CB - 2022. Not even close. Eagles have a top 7 CB group probably. The 2017 group was not very good. Darby and Mills were both very mediocre. And that’s being kind.

S - 2017. Not really a debate.

K - even

P - 2017

 

I think the 2022 roster going into the season is a better roster than 2017. With the big difference that year being QB play and the coaching staff was elite.

This is pretty ridiculous to be honest. What you thought the 2017 roster looked like prior to the season is frankly irrelevant since our grasp of how good that team was was completely off. It’s not a very high bar to say this squad seems more talented than a team that many of us thought was going nowhere.

But based on what we now KNOW, that team is significantly more talented that this team currently looks. That was a historical team in its own right.