2 minutes ago, Thrive said:

This is pretty ridiculous to be honest. What you thought the 2017 roster looked like prior to the season is frankly irrelevant since our grasp of how good that team was was completely off. It’s not a very high bar to say this squad seems more talented than a team that many of us thought was going nowhere.

But based on what we now KNOW, that team is significantly more talented that this team currently looks. That was a historical team in its own right.

Talent and accomplishments are not the same thing. That was a great team, but in terms of individual talents, it was not an amazing roster. Everything went right for the Eagles that year, they were impeccably coached, but go player by player on the roster and that was not a roster loaded with talent. They achieved far greater than the sum of their parts. As we saw with the precipitous drop off the seasons after.

If you're going to ask do I think this team will have a season as good as that. No, not even close. That's a different discussion entirely. But in terms of the quality of talent, I think the 2022 roster is stronger in more areas than 2017 was.

4 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Talent and accomplishments are not the same thing. That was a great team, but in terms of individual talents, it was not an amazing roster. Everything went right for the Eagles that year, they were impeccably coached, but go player by player on the roster and that was not a roster loaded with talent. They achieved far greater than the sum of their parts. As we saw with the precipitous drop off the seasons after.

If you're going to ask do I think this team will have a season as good as that. No, not even close. That's a different discussion entirely. But in terms of the quality of talent, I think the 2022 roster is stronger in more areas than 2017 was.

How can you even say that? That was an extremely talented roster. With incredible depth up and down the roster.

The head coach in TRAINING CAMP said the team had as much talent as the SB winning Packer teams. And it turned out he was right.

This team is not even in the same stratosphere.

1 minute ago, Thrive said:

How can you even say that? That was an extremely talented roster. With incredible depth up and down the roster.

The head coach in TRAINING CAMP said the team had as much talent as the SB winning Packer teams. And it turned out he was right.

This team is not even in the same stratosphere.

I obviously disagree with you as you can see by how I went position by position of both rosters. I think the 2022 roster has more talent group by group. The main difference is QB in 2017 was elite and that accounts for more impact than any other position.

Just now, Sack that QB said:

I obviously disagree with you as you can see by how I went position by position of both rosters. I think the 2022 roster has more talent group by group. The main difference is QB in 2017 was elite and that accounts for more impact than any other position.

And I assume you disagree with the head coach as well?

 

3 minutes ago, Thrive said:

And I assume you disagree with the head coach as well?

 

Doug Pederson didn't give his opinion on the 2022 Eagles roster, so that is a moot point. We don't know what his honest opinion is if he was asked to evaluate the differences between both rosters. Can't answer that question until we know that.

2 hours ago, olsilverhair said:

you just made the list

Are you putting on lipstick and high heels as you make this list, Trans McDuffie?  

1 minute ago, Sack that QB said:

Doug Pederson didn't give his opinion on the 2022 Eagles roster, so that is a moot point. We don't know what his honest opinion is if he was asked to evaluate the differences between both rosters. Can't answer that question until we know that.

Come on. That argument is nonsensical. The head coach made an assessment of that 2017 team that turned out to be exactly correct. Not sure why you’re fighting this.

I understand you disagree with me but I think you’re highly undervaluing what you witnessed in 2017 from a pure talent perspective. From how gifted the OL was, through the WRs, DL, LB, CB and safety position.

Quite frankly, I’m only convinced that a reasonable argument can be made that this team is more talented than that team in 2 positions (WR and CB) and even that claim is tenuous to me.

2 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Damnit!  Beaten to the punch twice in the last 12 hours. 

 

5 hours ago, eagle45 said:

My concern is that we have built a run stopping defense susceptible to the pass and a running offense that does not do well with volume passing.  Our current roster would be dominant in 1982.

I will cede the latter but not the former.  Actually the opposite. Drafted Dean, who has the speed to cover.  Signed White, stronger in coverage than against the run, significantly, to,the point that his run defense is suspect.  Taylor, already on the roster.  SAM is a leading pass rusher who struggles a bit in coverage, Reddick and two OLBs that have similar traits in the Johnsons.  On the line added a NT sized DT in the draft and another as an UDFA, goal to keep the LBs clean.  Yes, Bradberry does well as a corner against the run but his strength is zone coverage. How is that targeting stopping the run yet susceptible to the pass?  I just don’t see it.

51 minutes ago, Thrive said:

Odd argument indeed.

In the early 70s, only 4 teams in each conference made the playoffs, right? Expanding the playoff landscape is part of what has improved the product and will again.

False

it increases revenue. Thats it

16 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

I will cede the latter but not the former.  Actually the opposite. Drafted Dean, who has the speed to cover.  Signed White, stronger in coverage than against the run, significantly, to,the point that his run defense is suspect.  Taylor, already on the roster.  SAM is a leading pass rusher who struggles a bit in coverage, Reddick and two OLBs that have similar traits in the Johnsons.  On the line added a NT sized DT in the draft and another as an UDFA, goal to keep the LBs clean.  Yes, Bradberry does well as a corner against the run but his strength is zone coverage. How is that targeting stopping the run yet susceptible to the pass?  I just don’t see it.

They obviously see the need at safety. Just didnt work out

edge rusher and interior force, lbs with speed. Zone corner.

yeah i would say safeties are susceptible but we should be improved there

1 hour ago, Thrive said:

Odd argument indeed.

In the early 70s, only 4 teams in each conference made the playoffs, right? Expanding the playoff landscape is part of what has improved the product and will again.

While I agree for the most part, there's a point where it's too much. Obviously this was the first year with the new format with the additional team, but both 7 seeds got blown out by a combined score of 73-36. We still need more data points to see how it plays out, but I wouldn't be arguing this expansion has improved the product at this point.

1 hour ago, bpac55 said:

NFL Rookie Premier and the Eagles send...

 

 

 

 

 

 

Carson Strong

He looks great. The new face of the franchise. 

10 minutes ago, wussbasket said:

While I agree for the most part, there's a point where it's too much. Obviously this was the first year with the new format with the additional team, but both 7 seeds got blown out by a combined score of 73-36. We still need more data points to see how it plays out, but I wouldn't be arguing this expansion has improved the product at this point.

In the 3rd quarter, the combined score of those games was 66-7.  

Next time we argue that joint practice doesn't matter.  Take that Mac Jones.  Undefeated. 

 

The Stars take the lead early in the 3rd quarter if anyone is interested. 

4 minutes ago, QuinnWR4 said:

The Stars take the lead early in the 3rd quarter if anyone is interested. 

not interested. 

6 minutes ago, QuinnWR4 said:

The Stars take the lead early in the 3rd quarter if anyone is interested. 

Something fundamentally wrong with football happening while it is 97 degrees outside.

1 hour ago, Thrive said:

Come on. That argument is nonsensical. The head coach made an assessment of that 2017 team that turned out to be exactly correct. Not sure why you’re fighting this.

I understand you disagree with me but I think you’re highly undervaluing what you witnessed in 2017 from a pure talent perspective. From how gifted the OL was, through the WRs, DL, LB, CB and safety position.

Quite frankly, I’m only convinced that a reasonable argument can be made that this team is more talented than that team in 2 positions (WR and CB) and even that claim is tenuous to me.

It's not nonsensical at all, you said I disagreed with Doug. He did not evaluate both rosters. How do you know if he were still the coach he wouldn't have said "I think this roster has more talent than the 2017 roster" just like he did of the 2017 roster to the Packers roster?

I'm fighting it because it's what I believe. I think position group by position group, this year's team has more talent. Now, each position is not weighed equally, so if 2017 has a vastly superior QB then the team overall is likely going to be better. But I'm going group by group just for the sake of argument.

And you use how gifted the WRs and CBs were in 2017. Alshon Jeffery at that point was no longer a dominant WR. He was certainly good and made big plays, but he was not dominant and lost a step. Smith was very average. A field stretcher who dropped a lot of balls and struggled to do much outside of vertical routes. Agholor is what he is. AJ Brown is one of the most talented WRs in Eagles history from day one. Devonta Smith is one of the greatest collegiate WRs of all-time and broke the Eagles rookie receiving record. Not sure how you could even try to argue the 2022 WR group being superior to 2017 is tenuous. Or CB for that matter. Mills and Darby were not good. Slay is legitimate top tier corner and Bradberry has been for the majority of his career, sans last year. We'll see if he lost a step or if it was a lingering achilles issue or scheme that slowed him down last year, but I don't think there's any debate. Or at LB.

You really haven't made any strong case as to why you think the specific groups I put down as stronger in 2022 were better in 2017 other than "Doug Pederson said so."

Do you not think AJ Brown is better than Alshon Jeffery and Devonta Smith is better than Torey Smith? Do you not think Slay is better than Darby and Bradberry is better than Mills? Do you not think Dean is the most talented LB the Eagles have drafted in a decade? Do you not think Reddick is a premier pass rusher in the NFL? Do you not think the current OL group is arguably the best in the NFL?

Again, I think you're conflating achievement with talent, which are not the same thing.

Poor dude still pissed he’s a Lion 

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Poor dude still pissed he’s a Lion 

Very bizarre that the Eagles' representative is the UDFA QB... not the first round pick... or second... or third... or any draft pick.

Maybe Jamo just has rbf…

3 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Very bizarre that the Eagles' representative is the UDFA QB... not the first round pick... or second... or third... or any draft pick.

Its very strange. Also some teams have 3 players there and we've just got Strong. Did we get something wrong here?

40 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Something fundamentally wrong with football happening while it is 97 degrees outside.

There’s also something fundamentally wrong about it being 97 degrees in the middle of May