1 hour ago, Original Sin said:

Ban on a wide array of guns , much tougher background checks  , arming teachers  , these are just for starters .

I was in high school in the 80s , no doors were ever locked during school , never even heard about guns , let alone having school shooting …. You have to aske yourself , what has changed over the years .

1 hour ago, Original Sin said:

Ban on a wide array of guns , much tougher background checks  , arming teachers  , these are just for starters .

I was in high school in the 80s , no doors were ever locked during school , never even heard about guns , let alone having school shooting …. You have to aske yourself , what has changed over the years .

People and their fear of ultimate authority. 

2 minutes ago, Vileborg said:

Better is subjective. I think being able to beat that hind when it steps out of line is an effective tool to prevent raising a tool.

I agree with you.  It shouldn't be the only means of discipline but every kid learns different.  I have a devil of a nephew who just laughs in your face when you try to punish him no matter the technique and we have never raised a hand towards him.  We've tried everything and nothing works.  It's a game for him.  If he got it handed to him I think he would learn quick. 

My parents raised me with many different discipline techniques.  The more severe the trouble I got in to, the worse the consequences were.  There was being grounded and sent to your room.  In the 80s that meant sitting there with nothing to do.  There was taking things away from me.  Giving me chores to do.  Owning up to something I did and apologizing.  I remember I stole a 17 pack of Juicy Fruit and ate every stick between mom checking out and getting in the car.  She caught me, had to go in to the store, find the manager and apologize.  Then reimburse mom.  And eventually, dad had a belt, wooden spoon, ping pong paddle and a hand.  I knew when I was wrong.  

Everyone is different though.  My parents knew what worked for what situations.  Present day, nothing works for some kids.  We are all wired differently. That's what makes good parents and adult figures is knowing what to do and when. 

Hitting kids won't solve all of the problems but if they got it once in a while when deserved it might go a long way.

10 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Well, we have a candidate for Governor who I suspect would reject science for suggesting the world is older than 6,000 years old.

Mastriano?

12 minutes ago, WentzFan11 said:

I wonder who’s raising these kids to be "bad” parents? 🤔

I’m not saying all or even majority but where i live in Arizona there’s a lot of parents who at 16-22 year olds already had 2-3 kids. Instead of growing up and being ready for the responsibility of being a parent. It’s essentially a young adult who’s still a kid themselves having a kid(s) that they are trying to raise. And there’s a good portion where one parent is no longer even in the picture or it’s multiple kids with multiple partners.  I couldn’t even imagine taking care of multiples kids at 18, 20 or 22 years old. I was still learning what it was to be an adult and learn how to take care of myself. Have a friend who works in child neglect and child abuse, says it’s disturbing on a daily basis he sees these young adults have kids but treat the kids more as an accessory than actually their kid they need to teach and raise. 

Again not the majority or the biggest issue everywhere. 

Are we going to debate guns in here guys? I have over 40 and have never shot anyone. Nor do I want to in self defense or otherwise. That said I do carry so do a lot of people around here. Funny how shootings are almost always in non carry zones

This isn’t the place for gun control discussions. Or politics. This is an escape from the crazy world outside of football. No one here will find a solution or holds the answer.

Just now, greend said:

Are we going to debate guns in here guys? I have over 40 and have never shot anyone. Nor do I want to in self defense or otherwise. That said I do carry so do a lot of people around here. Funny how shootings are almost always in non carry zones

It's not going to change either. People can move to anti gun states if they want.

1 minute ago, greend said:

Are we going to debate guns in here guys? I have over 40 and have never shot anyone. Nor do I want to in self defense or otherwise. That said I do carry so do a lot of people around here. Funny how shootings are almost always in non carry zones

I think we can have a healthy debate.  The majority of gun owners are guys and gals like you.  Can I still say gals?  

While mass shootings are a horrible thing, especially when children are involved, let's not forget that so far in Chicago, 178 people have been shot and killed, 186 in Philly and the numbers in other cities such as NY, Atlanta and Houston are just as bad. 

I'd venture to say a lot of the shootings in major cities are done with weapons that were illegally obtained.

We have a humanity problem.  

1 hour ago, D-Shiznit said:

For one, no one under at least 30 years of age should have access to a gun, any kind of gun.

Kids and young adults of today with their mental health and other issues are no where near mature enough to be trusted with a gun.

this is a joke right?  How do you expect to field a military, police force, protective services, etc.

57 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

Yeah, beating your kids isn't the solution to this...... if anything, that would contribute to a kid's messed up psyche. 

Big difference between disciplining a child and beating a child.

1 minute ago, Wentz_Era said:

Big difference between disciplining a child and beating a child.

What's the difference? Amount of pain? What about the emotional distress of your parents, who are your literal heroes at that age, hitting you?

26 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I’m not saying all or even majority but where i live in Arizona there’s a lot of parents who at 16-22 year olds already had 2-3 kids. Instead of growing up and being ready for the responsibility of being a parent. It’s essentially a young adult who’s still a kid themselves having a kid(s) that they are trying to raise. And there’s a good portion where one parent is no longer even in the picture or it’s multiple kids with multiple partners.  I couldn’t even imagine taking care of multiples kids at 18, 20 or 22 years old. I was still learning what it was to be an adult and learn how to take care of myself. Have a friend who works in child neglect and child abuse, says it’s disturbing on a daily basis he sees these young adults have kids but treat the kids more as an accessory than actually their kid they need to teach and raise. 

Again not the majority or the biggest issue everywhere. 

Actually, this is far less common than it used to be, the average age at first birth has steadily risen for decades.

35 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Here's the thing, for all the guns in America, how many mass shootings were stopped by a person with a gun?  Almost none, in fact, I suspect more by people tackling the gun man.

Gun people fantasize what they'd do, but in reality, people run. Even trained policemen and soldiers often fail to fire in a "combat" situation.

Big difference between firing range wet dreams and actually facing down an active shooter.

Gun Free Zones are bad

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/andy-reid-endorses-jalen-hurts-as-eagles-qb1-hes-willing-to-work-hard-and-wants-to-be-great/

 

Andy Reid endorses Jalen Hurts as Eagles QB1: 'He's willing to work hard and wants to be great'

Reid believes the Eagles have a foundation with Hurts

3 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Actually, this is far less common than it used to be, the average age at first birth has steadily risen for decades.

There is a strong effect of socio-economic status on age of first reproduction.

37 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Here's the thing, for all the guns in America, how many mass shootings were stopped by a person with a gun?  Almost none, in fact, I suspect more by people tackling the gun man.

Gun people fantasize what they'd do, but in reality, people run. Even trained policemen and soldiers often fail to fire in a "combat" situation.

Big difference between firing range wet dreams and actually facing down an active shooter.

It's 2022, not 1952.  At least in the military, realistic training sims, targets, etc have brought the rate up from roughly 12% to 88% in combat scenarios.  Plenty of science behind this.  I learned how to kill effectively and responsibly at the age of 18.  Now the flip side is you're correct, the average Joe or police officer isn't afforded the opportunity to train to that level.  You shouldn't generalize 'gun people' though, like we're a bunch of whack jobs.

3 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Willing to work hard and wants to be great, is hardly an endorsement of his skills.  

It's a good foundation, if the tools are there to work with.   Which is debatable at best with Hurts.

6 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/andy-reid-endorses-jalen-hurts-as-eagles-qb1-hes-willing-to-work-hard-and-wants-to-be-great/

 

Andy Reid endorses Jalen Hurts as Eagles QB1: 'He's willing to work hard and wants to be great'

Reid believes the Eagles have a foundation with Hurts

Not sure if his endorsement means much, he had plenty of quarterbacks over the years, it took a freak of nature like Patrick Mahomes to win him a Super Bowl

Did some film study and digged through some archived articles, I heard Hurts is willing to work hard and wants to be great. Hidden nugget. 

At some point, you should recognize there's a problem when the best compliment everyone can give Hurts is that he works hard and wants to be great. It's never about his arm or anything tangible.

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Gotten better every year, even though he was basically a rookie last year.  Which is kinda funny if you think about it.  

Not at some point.  That’s been where some of us have been at.  I’ve said a few times, it’s like saying a fat girl has a "good personality”.  

Well of course it's not necessary for those of us who already know what Hurts is. But for those who are unsure, they should be able to start piecing it together with these non-compliments. 

"Reid said it takes about four years to truly evaluate and develop a quarterback"

 

Only heading into year 3.  Hurts has a ton of room to grow.  

2 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

"Reid said it takes about four years to truly evaluate and develop a quarterback"

 

Only heading into year 3.  Hurts has a ton of room to grow.  

Stop

4 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

"Reid said it takes about four years to truly evaluate and develop a quarterback"

 

Only heading into year 3.  Hurts has a ton of room to grow.  

 

I made the font bigger for you.  It is now even more true.