1 hour ago, rrfierce said:

Seems to me that as a nation you accept these mass shootings as they becoming more normalised and almost expected to happen. With such non existant gun laws really, what do you expect?

As an outsider looking into your country, you appear to be absolutely Fed - its so ingrained in your culture how can you ever get out of this situation? A large amount of americans seem to care more about guns than they do about lives. 

Seems to be a form of brain washing, like russia.

I mean look at the state of this

 

 

 

 Marjorie Green is a "c u next Tuesday”. She needs mental help, she believed space laser caused the forest fires, and she spews the nonsense about " the great replacement”, which in turn motivates people like Dylan Roof, and the Buffalo shooter last week. 
 As for yesterdays shooting what’s the answer?      As a gun owner and not an NRA member I support universal back ground checks and limiting magazines to 10 rounds as a start.   
 Btw, California had an open carry law that with the support of the NRA, Ronald Reagan did away with because the Black Panthers were openly carrying.   Then again with his amnesty program, Reagan would be considered Liberal today. 
 

1 minute ago, rrfierce said:

But surely if its harder to purchase and own the guns in the first place, then thats a start? 

Who in their right thinks its ok for someone on their 18th birthday to go out and purchase 2 guns which ultimately killed those poor kids. No permit or background checks required. Here you go, have fun shooting up a school. 

Make them more expensive, increase the legal age. tax the crap out of ammo.

Do something?

 

He had a background check done he bought the firearms from a dealer that is the law everywhere. Millions of people believe that you do not need a permit to buy firearms. As someone earlier said 99.9% of people are not doing these shootings you don't punish the masses for the few. 

4 minutes ago, The Blackfish said:

Then again with his amnesty program, Reagan would be considered Liberal today. 
 

Huge problem in our country.  I really believe the majority of Americans are closer to the middle and share some beliefs from the other side of the aisle but our government and media talking heads are so far left and right that it creates this huge division.

If we had candidates and government officials who truly represented what the country supports we would be in a much better spot.  That includes gun issues.

10 minutes ago, Gashoper said:

He had a background check done he bought the firearms from a dealer that is the law everywhere. Millions of people believe that you do not need a permit to buy firearms. As someone earlier said 99.9% of people are not doing these shootings you don't punish the masses for the few. 

If you buy it private, online or at a gun show no background check is done. Mental illness? No problem.

26 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

Again you aren't allowed to bring guns to school in Europe either. Why don't they have kids dying in droves over there too?  Because again here guns are the #1 cause of death in kids.  #1.

That's not true.

All I know is that my Monday started with a 6:00 am call from the police of my school's town letting me know of a social media shooting threat to our school. As the school admin I arrived to two police cars stationed at each corner because of the threat. Last Friday we had police activity in the area and needed to "shelter in place". Both incidents came with a lot of parent drama about our unsafe school. This is my reality and it wasn't like this 10-15 years ago. 

I have worked as a school principal in some scary neighborhoods, but yesterday's incident in Texas comes too close to home. I work in a town roughly the same size and similar demographics. It is going to be a long day.....

7 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

That's not true.

 

4 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Take this BS elsewhere.  If you’re gonna make ish up, there’s plenty of posters in CVON for you to chat with.  

https://www.forbes.com/sites/ninashapiro/2022/04/18/the-leading-cause-of-death-in-children-and-youths-is-now-guns/

https://www.webmd.com/children/news/20220422/guns-now-leading-cause-of-death-for-us-children

Is pretty recent but seems to be true.

so uhh...how bout that 2017 superbowl win huh?

 

 

 

good talk

7 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

That's not true.

Yes it is

5 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Take this BS elsewhere.  If you’re gonna make ish up, there’s plenty of posters in CVON for you to chat with.  

"The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) recently released updated official mortality data that showed 45,222 firearm-related deaths in the United States in 2020 — a new peak.1 Although previous analyses have shown increases in firearm-related mortality in recent years (2015 to 2019), as compared with the relatively stable rates from earlier years (1999 to 2014),2,3 these new data show a sharp 13.5% increase in the crude rate of firearm-related death from 2019 to 2020.1 This change was driven largely by firearm homicides, which saw a 33.4% increase in the crude rate from 2019 to 2020, whereas the crude rate of firearm suicides increased by 1.1%.1 Given that firearm homicides disproportionately affect younger people in the United States,3 these data call for an update to the findings of Cunningham et al. regarding the leading causes of death among U.S. children and adolescents.4"

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2201761

10 minutes ago, Infam said:

If you buy it private, online or at a gun show no background check is done. Mental illness? No problem.

That is not completely true at all. A private person to person sale in some states requires no background check and that is only on used firearms. If you buy online and the firearm needs to be shipped it has to be sent to an FFL and a background check has to be done. If you are at a gun show and buy from a dealer a background check has to be done. If you are at a gun show and buy from a private citizen in some states no check is needed the same if you buy online, you meet the person and you're from the same state no check is needed. All of which do not matter since this person bought from an FFL which did a background check.

8 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

That race baiting fool has never lived in the US, yet he’s here to preach about the US.  

Again with the well thought-out arguments. Well done I sure feel foolish now.

12 hours ago, bpac55 said:

Who do we think is the Eagles best DL?  

Jordan Davis is the best DL before he ever takes a snap.

Bottom line is people can spew crap and kvetch on here in a football forum but we aren't giving them up. 

10 minutes ago, Infam said:

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/ninashapiro/2022/04/18/the-leading-cause-of-death-in-children-and-youths-is-now-guns/

https://www.webmd.com/children/news/20220422/guns-now-leading-cause-of-death-for-us-children

Is pretty recent but seems to be true.

 

9 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

Yes it is

"The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) recently released updated official mortality data that showed 45,222 firearm-related deaths in the United States in 2020 — a new peak.1 Although previous analyses have shown increases in firearm-related mortality in recent years (2015 to 2019), as compared with the relatively stable rates from earlier years (1999 to 2014),2,3 these new data show a sharp 13.5% increase in the crude rate of firearm-related death from 2019 to 2020.1 This change was driven largely by firearm homicides, which saw a 33.4% increase in the crude rate from 2019 to 2020, whereas the crude rate of firearm suicides increased by 1.1%.1 Given that firearm homicides disproportionately affect younger people in the United States,3 these data call for an update to the findings of Cunningham et al. regarding the leading causes of death among U.S. children and adolescents.4"

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2201761

CDC... 629,000+ (almost 630,000) abortions in 2019.  That's 1700+ per day.  Those are children, too.  No one talks about them, no one mourns that tragedy.  No one mourns the 63 million that have been murdered in the name of 'freedom' since 1973.   20 children were murdered publicly in a school in Texas, and that's tragic.  1700+ were murdered in a "safe place" and that's considered 'freedom'.  Once upon a time, the rallying cry was "safe, legal and rare".  I don't consider these numbers to be rare. 

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/ss/ss7009a1.htm

My original statement on the issue in this country remains... it is the lack of respect for the sanctity of human life.  The Declaration of Independence declares, "Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness"... the first mentioned is LIFE.  None of the others are possible without that freedom.  Life is precious, life is God given and life should be protected.  And this country doesn't protect it.  That's our biggest national problem.

I'm sure that there will be a great defense of this so called 'right', in the name of 'women's health care', etc.  And I will not engage.  I've said my piece and no one here will change their stance.   Enjoy your hypocrisy of mourning one death while celebrating thousands of others.  This is all I have to say on the subject.

3 minutes ago, justrelax said:

Jordan Davis is the best DL before he ever takes a snap.

That's what I was thinking too but I just don't know.  Part of me goes to Josh Sweat but if I'm going to complain about Hargrave and his inconsistencies then the same has to be said about Sweat.  If the Eagles could get Sweat and Hargrave to produce game in and game out that would be incredible.

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

 

CDC... 629,000+ (almost 630,000) abortions in 2019.  That's 1700+ per day.  Those are children, too.  No one talks about them, no one mourns that tragedy.  No one mourns the 63 million that have been murdered in the name of 'freedom' since 1973.   20 children were murdered publicly in a school in Texas, and that's tragic.  1700+ were murdered in a "safe place" and that's considered 'freedom'.  Once upon a time, the rallying cry was "safe, legal and rare".  I don't consider these numbers to be rare.  This is all I have to say on the subject.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/ss/ss7009a1.htm

My original statement on the issue in this country remains... it is the lack of respect for the sanctity of human life.  The Declaration of Independence declares, "Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness"... the first mentioned is LIFE.  None of the others are possible without that freedom.  Life is precious, life is God given and life should be protected.  And this country doesn't protect it.  That's our biggest national problem.

I'm sure that there will be a great defense of this so called 'right', in the name of 'women's health care', etc.  And I will not engage.  I've said my piece and no one here will change their stance.   Enjoy your hypocrisy of mourning one death while celebrating thousands of others.

Bravo. I had that same thought yesterday. Very well said.

9 hours ago, BigEFly said:

Then you must think the US is "woke” for the many school districts and states that want to ban books about subjects objectionable to the Judaea-Christian mythology (apologies to those whose beliefs I may offend and whose beliefs may offend mine, but to me, it is mythology).  You obviously object to Christian states, to Buddhist states, to Hindu states, to Israel as the Muslim states as "woke” because their beliefs at times run contrary to pure science.  Guess Communist states like China where the state is dominant are okay.  Of course, science but only to the extent sanctioned by the state.

New Zealand is trying to address the mistreatment and indoctrination of its native culture by European imperialism. Study their history.  It isn’t any prettier that our own as far as treatment of natives. 

Religion and societal beliefs throughout the world are restrictive and guided by their own beliefs and mythologies. I am not excusing those, frankly they are contrary to my own beliefs and libertarianism, but "woke”?  That term is overused and nonsense.  

Sounds like some of the teachings have nothing to do with science nor "supernatural ".  What is "woke” about that?  I assume you object to the supernatural aspects of virgin birth/resurrection, God (in and of itself), meditation for years, God communication with "prophets” etc, as "woke” as well.  Or is a native, non white, non Judaea-Christian approach the objection? 

 

It's the context that matters.

If you teach that Maori beliefs are as legitimate as Western mythologies (the Old and New Testament, the Koran, the Mormon Bible, etc), no problem. All of these are basically stories cultures tell themselves about their origins and about God/the Universe/existence. None are based on empirical evidence or critical thinking. Many biblical stories are nonsense (the sun stopping in mid-sky for Joshua - that would meant the Earth's rotation stopped and everything on the planet would fly off at 22,000 MPH!). So Maori beliefs should be credited the same respect in that context.

If you teach that Maori beliefs are legitimate in the same sense as evidence based science, big problem.

Science is a way of developing and testing knowledge, as well as delineating the limits of knowledge, it is not "Western" or "Imperialism."

While how science is conducted and results are interpreted are influenced by culture, the basis procedure of hypothesis testing and gathering evidence is universal.

4 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

 

CDC... 629,000+ (almost 630,000) abortions in 2019.  That's 1700+ per day.  Those are children, too.  No one talks about them, no one mourns that tragedy.  No one mourns the 63 million that have been murdered in the name of 'freedom' since 1973.   20 children were murdered publicly in a school in Texas, and that's tragic.  1700+ were murdered in a "safe place" and that's considered 'freedom'.  Once upon a time, the rallying cry was "safe, legal and rare".  I don't consider these numbers to be rare. 

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/ss/ss7009a1.htm

My original statement on the issue in this country remains... it is the lack of respect for the sanctity of human life.  The Declaration of Independence declares, "Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness"... the first mentioned is LIFE.  None of the others are possible without that freedom.  Life is precious, life is God given and life should be protected.  And this country doesn't protect it.  That's our biggest national problem.

I'm sure that there will be a great defense of this so called 'right', in the name of 'women's health care', etc.  And I will not engage.  I've said my piece and no one here will change their stance.   Enjoy your hypocrisy of mourning one death while celebrating thousands of others.  This is all I have to say on the subject.

So you were proven wrong and decided to throw a hissy fit  and go on an unrelated rant about abortion. Grow the F up. 

16 minutes ago, UndyTaker said:

so uhh...how bout that 2017 superbowl win huh?

 

 

 

good talk

1 minute ago, DEagle7 said:

So you were proven wrong and decided to throw a hissy fit  and go on an unrelated rant about abortion. Grow the F up. 

He just owned you and you don't have a reply. 

10 hours ago, BigEFly said:

Then you must think the US is "woke” for the many school districts and states that want to ban books about subjects objectionable to the Judaea-Christian mythology (apologies to those whose beliefs I may offend and whose beliefs may offend mine, but to me, it is mythology).  You obviously object to Christian states, to Buddhist states, to Hindu states, to Israel as the Muslim states as "woke” because their beliefs at times run contrary to pure science.  Guess Communist states like China where the state is dominant are okay.  Of course, science but only to the extent sanctioned by the state.

New Zealand is trying to address the mistreatment and indoctrination of its native culture by European imperialism. Study their history.  It isn’t any prettier that our own as far as treatment of natives. 

Religion and societal beliefs throughout the world are restrictive and guided by their own beliefs and mythologies. I am not excusing those, frankly they are contrary to my own beliefs and libertarianism, but "woke”?  That term is overused and nonsense.  

Sounds like some of the teachings have nothing to do with science nor "supernatural ".  What is "woke” about that?  I assume you object to the supernatural aspects of virgin birth/resurrection, God (in and of itself), meditation for years, God communication with "prophets” etc, as "woke” as well.  Or is a native, non white, non Judaea-Christian approach the objection? 

 

The US elites and the institutions they control are becoming  more and more woke. It stems from social science and literary criticism departments in US universities. The consequence, as Andrew Sullivan says, is "We all live on campus now."

I fail to see how diluting science education corrects past noxious deeds. It is virtue signaling.

People can believe in mythology if they want. They have the right.

Mythology of any type should never be taught in a science class. It should certainly not be given equal status.

OK, you don't like the term, "woke."  What would you use? John McWhorter has repeatedly asked this question without receiving a proper response.

Just now, DEagle7 said:

So you were proven wrong and decided to throw a hissy fit  and go on an unrelated rant about abortion. Grow the F up. 

Nope.  I didn't get proven wrong.  And it isn't an unrelated rant.  It is all connected, and it was my meaning yesterday when I said the issue is the lack of respect for human life.  Grow up?  Yeah... only a child would care about human life.  

Hissy fit?  Nope... facts.

2 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

So you were proven wrong and decided to throw a hissy fit  and go on an unrelated rant about abortion. Grow the F up. 

I think it‘s a point one can make. I don‘t agree with it at all but that‘s fair if you see it like that.

But even if it was only the second highest cause of death in.. ‚children‘ that is still bad enough, isn‘t it?

1 minute ago, Diehardfan said:

He just owned you and you don't have a reply. 

Yeah not even close. He was wrong and went in a simple minded unrelated rant after it was pointed out. 

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Nope.  I didn't get proven wrong.  And it isn't an unrelated rant.  It is all connected, and it was my meaning yesterday when I said the issue is the lack of respect for human life.  Grow up?  Yeah... only a child would care about human life.  

Hissy fit?  Nope... facts.

Yes. Yes you did. Gun deaths are the leading cause of death in the US for children. That is a fact.  

3 minutes ago, Infam said:

I think it‘s a point one can make. I don‘t agree with it at all but that‘s fair if you see it like that.

But even if it was only the second highest cause of death in.. ‚children‘ that is still bad enough, isn‘t it?

Not to mention they're trying desperately to limit your ability to do one of those things but acting like it's ridiculous to try and attempt  address the other. They simply agree with one issue and not the other and will go through whatever mental gymnastics it takes to make that world view fit.