7 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Lull period topic. Rank the following regular season related NFL schedule things you  like from most to least.

 

1. NFL opening Sunday 

2. NFL Thanksgiving slate

3. NFL final week madness that decides playoff teams and seeding

1,3,2

12 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Lull period topic. Rank the following regular season related NFL schedule things you  like from most to least.

 

1. NFL opening Sunday 

2. NFL Thanksgiving slate

3. NFL final week madness that decides playoff teams and seeding

1

3

(Huge gap)

2

 

I often don't watch games on Thanksgiving

 

My favorite of all NFL weeks is Wild Card weekend, especially if the Eagles are in (and the ones where the Eagles had a bye were especially nice situations to watch playoff football in). Even if the Eagles aren't in the playoffs I still generally enjoy the wild card week games.

10 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Uh, that’s kind of the point bud.  Because that’s what Hurts is.  

I’m not a Hurts believer at all. I definitely feel like for this team to truly compete they need to upgrade the position. 
 

But at the end of the day, he is the starting QB of this team, this upcoming season. So I have no choice to root for the guy and hope he proves us wrong. 
 

All I care about is this team winning, not style of the players or their game. 

46 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Lull period topic. Rank the following regular season related NFL schedule things you  like from most to least.

 

1. NFL opening Sunday 

2. NFL Thanksgiving slate

3. NFL final week madness that decides playoff teams and seeding

In that order. Final week has been boring for the Eagles mostly. Feels like there’s only 1 or 2 games that matter every year at the final week. I’ll watch but I don’t really care if the Chargers or Raiders make the playoffs. 

 

That’s a QB with one highlight run stats. Not a RB with one highlight pass stats. 

Case Cookus also passes the name test. 

1 hour ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Phillys real QB1

Hurts would light up the USFL. 
 

1 hour ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Cool.  You do that.  If they win 9-10 games and he’s still a glorified RB, we got problems.  That style of play is an issue when the owner and GM are dumb enough to think it’s something to build on.  We all want him to turn into a real QB.  That goes without saying.  

Not all of us. I did, but that died towards the end of his first season when I saw teams adjust to him and his weaknesses presenting themselves. Now, I want him to fail as fast as humanly possible and in decisive fashion so there isn't another give him one more year. If he proves me wrong it will be a miracle because Hurts can't throw, read the defense, or progress through targets. It's like that screen shot someone posted where the back was wide open and ready for the ball and he was looking at him trying to process what to freaking do next. Seems like a guy everyone likes off the field , but I can't wait until he is gone, and I don't want him to turn into anything but a backup at this point.

But, but, but....he looked so damn good in OTAs last week...new motion, more focused...no offseason for that guy....that perfection always translates into the regular season.  

9 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

 

That’s a QB with one highlight run stats. Not a RB with one highlight pass stats. 

Case Cookus also passes the name test. 

On 6/5/2022 at 2:16 AM, Iggles25 said:

Over/Under Total Yards for Brown/Smith 

2400 yards

Under by 600-800 yards. No chance they get 1200 yards each.

9 hours ago, Diehardfan said:

Not all of us. I did, but that died towards the end of his first season when I saw teams adjust to him and his weaknesses presenting themselves. Now, I want him to fail as fast as humanly possible and in decisive fashion so there isn't another give him one more year. If he proves me wrong it will be a miracle because Hurts can't throw, read the defense, or progress through targets. It's like that screen shot someone posted where the back was wide open and ready for the ball and he was looking at him trying to process what to freaking do next. Seems like a guy everyone likes off the field , but I can't wait until he is gone, and I don't want him to turn into anything but a backup at this point.

So you’d rather se him play badly and have the team lose rather than him play great and win the Super Bowl. Got it. 

On 6/4/2022 at 7:30 PM, justrelax said:

Getting just a little carried away I think.

Joe Namath

Dan Marino

Jeff George

Mike Vick

John Elway

Brett Favre

Patrick Mahomes

Jim Hart

Dan Fouts

Darryl Lamonica

Dan Pastorini

Probably missed a few.

I grant top 10 but after that it’s a toss-up.

 

 

 

 

Heck you missed a bunch that never made it past back up in the NFL. Like that kid from Penn State that mas the prototype for everything you want in a pro QB from the neck down. 

On 6/5/2022 at 2:16 AM, Iggles25 said:

Over/Under Total Yards for Brown/Smith 

2400 yards

 

1 hour ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Is this a joke?  

 

I'll go with 1700 total.  

 

34 minutes ago, Swoop said:

Under by 600-800 yards. No chance they get 1200 yards each.

Maybe he has inside information that we are trading for Arron Rodgers, Mahomes or Carson Strong is the true next coming of Tom Brady/Peyton Manning combined.

Because lets be honest, No one is that crazy to think Brown/Smith can pull off those yards with our starting RB, opps....... "QB" 

35 minutes ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

So you’d rather se him play badly and have the team lose rather than him play great and win the Super Bowl. Got it. 

One won't happen, so absolutely. I believe in reality. 

I think the question needs to be asked what happens if Hurts shows nominal improvement, the team wins 11 games, and they win a wildcard playoff game then lose in the divisional round?

Say Hurts completes 63%, 3,600 yards, 21 TD/11 INT.  Do the Eagles take the approach DAL and WAS took with Dak and Cousins and say 'you're playing good; we still need to see more', and have Hurts play out the final year of his rookie contract before committing to an extension?  Would they dare even consider franchise-tagging him on a 5th year?  Last I checked, the franchise tag for QB is just a shade under $30M per season.

1 minute ago, Alphagrand said:

Say Hurts completes 63%, 3,600 yards, 21 TD/11 INT.

In today's NFL, that is not good enough.

6 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

I think the question needs to be asked what happens if Hurts shows nominal improvement, the team wins 11 games, and they win a wildcard playoff game then lose in the divisional round?

Say Hurts completes 63%, 3,600 yards, 21 TD/11 INT.  Do the Eagles take the approach DAL and WAS took with Dak and Cousins and say 'you're playing good; we still need to see more', and have Hurts play out the final year of his rookie contract before committing to an extension?  Would they dare even consider franchise-tagging him on a 5th year?  Last I checked, the franchise tag for QB is just a shade under $30M per season.

2021 stats: 15 games | 61.3 pct | 3,144 pass yds | 7.3 ypa | 16 pass TD | 9 INT | 784 rush yds | 10 rush TD | 9 fumbles

At the very least, he needs more passing TDs.

3 minutes ago, dawkdaballhawk said:

2021 stats: 15 games | 61.3 pct | 3,144 pass yds | 7.3 ypa | 16 pass TD | 9 INT | 784 rush yds | 10 rush TD | 9 fumbles

At the very least, he needs more passing TDs.

I think the numbers I'm looking at hurts to improve the most are completion% and yards/ completion.

Not sure he can be a high volume passer where he throws for 4000+ yards and 30+ tds.

But if he can be accurate and efficient then I think he and the eagles offense can be effective.

9 minutes ago, downundermike said:

In today's NFL, that is not good enough.

Agreed.  

In 2021 there were 13 QBs who completed 67% of their passes; I think he needs to be in that group.  

10 QBs threw for 4,000 yards or more.  With the weapons the Eagles now have in the passing game I think Hurts needs to be right there.

9 QBs threw for 33 TDs or more; #10 was at 27.  Hurts would need to be high 20s at least.

 

Those are the kinds of numbers I think the Eagles need to see in order to keep Hurts as starter for 2023.  

yuck

3 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

I think the question needs to be asked what happens if Hurts shows nominal improvement, the team wins 11 games, and they win a wildcard playoff game then lose in the divisional round?

Say Hurts completes 63%, 3,600 yards, 21 TD/11 INT.  Do the Eagles take the approach DAL and WAS took with Dak and Cousins and say 'you're playing good; we still need to see more', and have Hurts play out the final year of his rookie contract before committing to an extension?  Would they dare even consider franchise-tagging him on a 5th year?  Last I checked, the franchise tag for QB is just a shade under $30M per season.

This is the best thing about his contract, the Eagles essentially have control through 2026. 2 more years on his initial contract, and if they want can tag 2 years in a row. Obviously you would like for them to make a decision earlier and get the QB position figured out.

I don't think the numbers you posted are good enough, even if the team won a playoff game. Those numbers would put him around 18th overall, and I think would show the QB is holding the team back from a deeper playoff run.

 

I have said it before, and it needs to be said again.

AJ Browns best season was 2020, 70 catches for 1075 yards and 11 TD''s.  That should be the baseline for what is expected in Philly with what was paid in draft capital and a new contract. And you also need to get DeVonta and Goedert their targets and production.  So Ryan Tannehill's 2020 season is the baseline for what Hurts needs to do this year.

3800 yards, 33 TD's and 65.5% completions.

If he hits that baseline and AJ Brown gets his, that leaves in comparison DeVonta, 65 for 984 ( Corey Davis ) and Goedert 41 for 448 ( Jonnu Smith )

Is that good enough ???

And before the we will be a running team crowd comes in, the stats above are with Derrick Henry rushing for 2000 yards.

3 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

yuck

I've been hearing a lot of Patricia as run game coordinator and Joe Judge as passing game coordinator.

Pray for Mac Jones.

7 minutes ago, downundermike said:

I have said it before, and it needs to be said again.

AJ Browns best season was 2020, 70 catches for 1075 yards and 11 TD''s.  That should be the baseline for what is expected in Philly with what was paid in draft capital and a new contract. And you also need to get DeVonta and Goedert their targets and production.  So Ryan Tannehill's 2020 season is the baseline for what Hurts needs to do this year.

3800 yards, 33 TD's and 65.5% completions.

If he hits that baseline and AJ Brown gets his, that leaves in comparison DeVonta, 65 for 984 ( Corey Davis ) and Goedert 41 for 448 ( Jonnu Smith )

Is that good enough ???

And before the we will be a running team crowd comes in, the stats above are with Derrick Henry rushing for 2000 yards.

Good enough for what?

If Im Smith and have another season below 1000 yards, I ask for a trade. And that would be incredibly disappointing for Goedert. 

With the weapons we have, Hurts needs a minimum of like 3800-4000 passing yards, 30ish passing TDs and a 64% completion percentage (at minimum, though it's still low) to have a decent year.

Good luck with that.

1 minute ago, Swoop said:

With the weapons we have, Hurts needs a minimum of like 3800-4000 passing yards, 30ish passing TDs and a 64% completion percentage (at minimum, though it's still low) to have a decent year.

Good luck with that.

Oops. You get the point.