2 minutes ago, Utebird said:

I'd expect reids eagles to be towards the top especially that 2004 team that was totally stacked and choked.

Broncos under Reeves, Browns under Schotenheimer.

Of course the Bills should be at the very top losing 4 super bowls in a row...

The 2004 team?  The Cheatriots stole their defensive play calls; that's been well documented.

It was also the main reason the Eagles did a fake walkthrough prior to SB 52 ... and, low and behold, scored 42 points on Belichick's defense.

Just now, Alphagrand said:

The 2004 team?  The Cheatriots stole their defensive play calls; that's been well documented.

It was also the main reason the Eagles did a fake walkthrough prior to SB 52 ... and, low and behold, scored 42 points on Belichick's defense.

Yup.

Part of me thinks Brady is still playing because he thinks if he plays til he's 50 people will forget he's a cheater...

 

41 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

Improving completion percentage by nearly 10% from one season to the next is not modest improvement. 

I agree but it's still a below average completion percentage in an offense that had a fair amount of quick throws.  

45 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

Improving completion percentage by nearly 10% from one season to the next is not modest improvement. 

And at what point does it not matter?  He projected as a bad passer as a prospect.  He confirmed those projections by coming into the league as a bad passer.  And he followed up year 1 by being a bad passer in year 2.

I really don’t care that he’s getting better.  Going from bad to less bad is what the practice squad is for.

5 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I agree but it's still a below average completion percentage in an offense that had a fair amount of quick throws.  

 

Well he's not a dink and dunk passer.  He's someone who will try to make plays down the field. Nor is he a fully developed QB.  He is a very young QB whose arrow continues to point up with the work he puts in and the improvement he continues to make. 

1 minute ago, eagle45 said:

And at what point does it not matter?  He projected as a bad passer as a prospect.  He confirmed those projections by coming into the league as a bad passer.  And he followed up year 1 by being a bad passer in year 2.

I really don’t care that he’s getting better.  Going from bad to less bad is what the practice squad is for.

 

When he ceases to continue to improve is when it matters.  Until then he continues to improve and win. 

5 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Still out on Sirianni.  And news that he handed the play-calling over to Steichen halfway through the season just confirms what I have thought all along.  The "scheming guys open" crowd will not admit that the offense improved once NS gave up the play-calling.  They'll just put it on Hurts.  When in reality, both guys are not the long term answer.  More people will join me as time goes on.  I'll allow it.  

I have no opinion.  He spent the first half of the season jamming a square peg down a round hole with an nfl passing offense with a RB under center.

Was that stupid?  Was Lowie making him do it?  Was it smart to stick to the offense he wanted to run until personnel limitations made it obvious to everyone he needed to do a 180 from a "proper” nfl offense?

I don’t know the answer to any of those questions.

And the offense after the change?  I can’t judge the coach based on that.  You could bring a fan in to scheme up that offense, but it’s what they were forced to run.

13 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

I'll take both numbers. They wont be disappointed. 

Ahhh, so if it wasn't your wife positing, than it was you claiming that 4 inches is disappointing.

So the question becomes, how do you know this? And maybe you want my mom's number to get in touch with my dad?

2 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

. 

 

When he ceases to continue to improve is when it matters.  Until then he continues to improve and win. 

So everyone that is a bad player but currently improving is a franchise player until they stop improving?

I mean…Dillard is still getting better.  What if Reagor improves next year?  JJAW definitely is running better routes and catching the ball with more confidence than he did as a rookie and they made the poor guy switch positions; what a mistake.  If only we had an offense of Hurts, Dillard, JJAW, and Reagor.  Then we’d be going places.

12 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I agree but it's still a below average completion percentage in an offense that had a fair amount of quick throws.  

Josh Allen was the only QB in the top 14 NFL passing yards leaders who had a completion percentage below 66% (63.3).  

Hurts at 61.3% is still way below where he needs to be in order to run an effective offense.

2 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Two names that will be forever linked....Josh Allen and Jalen Hurts.  

As contrast maybe .... What to do vs what not to do 

14 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Still out on Sirianni.  And news that he handed the play-calling over to Steichen halfway through the season just confirms what I have thought all along.  The "scheming guys open" crowd will not admit that the offense improved once NS gave up the play-calling.  They'll just put it on Hurts.  When in reality, both guys are not the long term answer.  More people will join me as time goes on.  I'll allow it.  

 

 

 

Cue the Sirianni purse swingers.  

Not a purse swinger at all, but still reserving judgement on NS. And frankly, I'm still optimistic he can be the guy. From the outside, it looks like the players like him, they like playing for him, and he did have guys running open before we became a 1950s style offense. His competition stuff is laughable, but I think for the most part, he's handled the snake pit Philly media pretty well.

We'll see how the team responds this year, and with the increased talent we'll see how he steers the ship. I think it's too early either way to decide on him, but I'd say I'm more bullish than bearish on him for now. 

3 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Josh Allen was the only QB in the top 14 NFL passing yards leaders who had a completion percentage below 66% (63.3).  

Hurts at 61.3% is still way below where he needs to be in order to run an effective offense.

The difference, Josh Allen threw for 4400 yards and 36 TD's, while having as many rushing yards as Hurts.

Hurts total offense did not match Allen's passing yards.

Just now, TorontoEagle said:

Not a purse swinger at all, but still reserving judgement on NS. And frankly, I'm still optimistic he can be the guy. From the outside, it looks like the players like him, they like playing for him, and he did have guys running open before we became a 1950s style offense. His competition stuff is laughable, but I think for the most part, he's handled the snake pit Philly media pretty well.

We'll see how the team responds this year, and with the increased talent we'll see how he steers the ship. I think it's too early either way to decide on him, but I'd say I'm more bullish than bearish on him for now. 

Agreed.  I think the jury is out on Nick Sirianni until he gets an actual QB, or if Hurts becomes one ( which I don't see happening )

5 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Agreed.  I think the jury is out on Nick Sirianni until he gets an actual QB, or if Hurts becomes one ( which I don't see happening )

Could always use Minshew who has had far more success than Hurts on a much worse squad and even worse coaching.....just saying. Are we allowed to make the Hurts argument that he hasn't had consistent coaching up to this point

Just now, Shalodeep said:

Could always use Minshew who has had far more success than Hurts on a much worse squad and even worse coaching.....just saying. 

3 minutes ago, downundermike said:

If he wasn't a sixth round pick from another team, he would of been our starter imo. 

1 hour ago, dawkdaballhawk said:

"It's my job to just go out there and play point guard," Hurts said. "Distribute the ball, get the playmakers the ball, and my plays will come."

No, your job is to be the QB. 

He seems confused about what sport he's playing... and seems to be emulating, sympathizing, or even channeling Ben Simmons... 😬 

18 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

So everyone that is a bad player but currently improving is a franchise player until they stop improving?

I mean…Dillard is still getting better.  What if Reagor improves next year?  JJAW definitely is running better routes and catching the ball with more confidence than he did as a rookie and they made the poor guy switch positions; what a mistake.  If only we had an offense of Hurts, Dillard, JJAW, and Reagor.  Then we’d be going places.

 

Who said he's a franchise player?  That's yet to be determined but he certainly hasn't shown that he has hit any sort of ceiling or become stagnant in his improvement from year to year. 

 

Dillard isn't comparable.  He flashed a little as a rookie but had obvious issues with strength his rookie year and then in training camp the following season was getting manhandled by power rush moves again before he got injured.  He looked last year like he might at least be able to play but he still can't play anything outside of LT and the Eagles have a better option at LT. 

I don't know how you can say JJAW has improved.  His production has gone down every year since he's been in the league and the last we saw him he dropped a TD that hit him in the chest. 

 

23 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

Who said he's a franchise player?  

 

Dillard isn't comparable. 

 

1. You.

2. Dillard is far more talented and closer to the prototype for his position than Hurts will ever be.

https://heavy.com/sports/philadelphia-eagles/jalen-hurts-cockstrong/

 

Eagles QB Jalen Hurts Reveals Training Secret: ‘I’m Still Cockstrong’

7 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

1. You.

2. Dillard is far more talented and closer to the prototype for his position than Hurts will ever be.

I will never get the Dillard disrespect. Boo hoo, he can only play left tackle. Well when you are good at a position of great importance, you don't need versatility...it's like quarterback wanting to play running...oh wait...we got that here 

6 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

1. You.

2. Dillard is far more talented and closer to the prototype for his position than Hurts will ever be.

 

Dillard is a backup who can't play multiple positions on the offensive line.  Jalen Hurts is the starting QB who last year became the youngest QB in franchise history to take this team to the playoffs. 

 

https://www.thescore.com/nfl/news/2370104

 

Philadelphia Eagles head coach Nick Sirianni praised the work quarterback Jalen Hurts has put in to prepare for the 2022 season.

"I'm noticing a big difference," Sirianni said, according to ESPN's Tim McManus. "What I see is a crisper ball. The accuracy, I've been very pleased with."

Hurts has spent parts of the offseason fine-tuning his release and footwork. Alongside increased familiarity with the Eagles' offensive system ahead of his third season with the club, that's led to a quicker drop back and improved timing on his throws.

 

"Just being decisive out there on the field, knowing pretty much where I'm going to go with the ball based off the look that they give me. There's a natural maturation there," Hurts said.

3 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

Dillard is a backup who can't play multiple positions on the offensive line.  Jalen Hurts is the starting QB who last year became the youngest QB in franchise history to take this team to the playoffs. 

Dillard could start for quite a few teams without the team having to adjust to his skill set. Hurts can only start for a few teams and the team needs to adjust to him ....

2 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

Dillard is a backup who can't play multiple positions on the offensive line.  Jalen Hurts is the starting QB who last year became the youngest QB in franchise history to take this team to the playoffs. 

Wrong. The team carried Hurts to the playoffs, not the other way around.