We don’t know how good Dillard is. All we know is Mailata is better.

11 minutes ago, WentzFan11 said:

We don’t know how good Dillard is. All we know is Mailata is better.

And Mailata is top 5 LT in the NFL.  Wood imagine we would want Dillard to pop in pre-season be our backup LT in case anything happens to Jordan and then get a high comp pick in 2 years

21 minutes ago, garingovt2000 said:

And Mailata is top 5 LT in the NFL.  Wood imagine we would want Dillard to pop in pre-season be our backup LT in case anything happens to Jordan and then get a high comp pick in 2 years

I would disagree with Mailata as a top 5 LT.  This is a passing league and he's still below average (IMO) for a starting LT against pure outside shoulder speed rushers.  I think he'll get there and will clean that up, but I think he's far too vulnerable against outside speed to be considered a top 5 LT right now.

24 minutes ago, garingovt2000 said:

And Mailata is top 5 LT in the NFL.  Wood imagine we would want Dillard to pop in pre-season be our backup LT in case anything happens to Jordan and then get a high comp pick in 2 years

No one outside of Philly would say this. Been saying it for a year and a half… While Mailata is good (the upset is even better), he’s still, by far, the most overrated player by Eagle fans. 

He still has trouble in pass protection vs speed rushers. Thankfully you can hide that a bit in an offense that wants to run 60% of the time. 

3 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I'd say its nearly impossible. His 5th year was declined, and he's set to be a free agent. He'll get a deal somewhere that makes him either more money or more likely to play. Wouldn't make any sense for him to stay here. 

The fifth year option salary will be the average of the ten highest OTs in the league. Of course they wouldn’t exercise it. It doesn’t preclude the resigning him.

There may not be a single below-average starter along the Eagles' offensive line. Pair that with arguably the best tackle duo in the NFL, and there’s no debate about which team's offensive line belongs at No. 1 heading into 2022. Jordan Mailata's incredible development at left tackle can't be understated. After not playing a snap in his first two NFL seasons, Mailata went from spot starter at left tackle in 2020 to the third-highest-graded player at the position in the NFL last season.

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-offensive-line-unit-rankings-tiers-2022

43 minutes ago, garingovt2000 said:

And Mailata is top 5 LT in the NFL.  Wood imagine we would want Dillard to pop in pre-season be our backup LT in case anything happens to Jordan and then get a high comp pick in 2 years

Anyone know why Jurgens isn't signed yet?

8 minutes ago, justrelax said:

The fifth year option salary will be the average of the ten highest OTs in the league. Of course they wouldn’t exercise it. It doesn’t preclude the resigning him.

No, it's much cheaper than that. It is the average of the 3rd to the 25th paid at his position. Anyway, point just was he's not under team control after this year. I don't see a scenario where he comes back on a cheap deal to be a backup. He'll want money and he'll want to play. He'll find either somewhere in FA. 

9 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Anyone know why Jurgens isn't signed yet?

Yea, some team screwed everything up by including something extra in the contract. I think the Patriots? I'll have to look but it's affecting the majority of the second round because everyone else wants it also. 

Edit: NVM. It's the 4th round that's getting held up. I confused the two because it was the second pick in the 4th round. 

4 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

No, it's much cheaper than that. It is the average of the 3rd to the 25th paid at his position. Anyway, point just was he's not under team control after this year. I don't see a scenario where he comes back on a cheap deal to be a backup. He'll want money and he'll want to play. He'll find either somewhere in FA. 

If dillard shows he can be somewhat competent at guard it’ll bell his value. Imo he’s going to go into FA next year and be able to at least get what vaitai got in free agency a couple years ago. Frankly think he’s more talented at LT than vaitai in general even with his vaitai’s versatility. Vaitai got 5 for $45 mil and $20 mil guaranteed. With the cap rising and a need for oline I’m guessing he makes more than that at 27. I’d also guess the eagles wouldn’t pay that price for a backup LT that has so far not shown to have much versatility in that they have to move mailata to RT when lane is out. I think it benefits dillard long term and next year in free agency if he can show he can some guard. I think it adds to his value then. 

3 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

 

I was, you traded up for pac 12 LT who had issues in pass blocking. 

In recent years the Dillard and Hurts picks are my two most hated. 

 

 

Dillard's issues were run blocking I thought? He was an elite pass blocker in college

Just now, TorontoEagle said:

Dillard's issues were run blocking I thought? He was an elite pass blocker in college

Pretty sure it was run blocking as Wazzu never ran the ball. Also he needed strength. Then the whole kapadia story that came out had some off the field issues about whether he loved playing. 

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Pretty sure it was run blocking as Wazzu never ran the ball. Also he needed strength. Then the whole kapadia story that came out had some off the field issues about whether he loved playing. 

Just Googled...gave up one sack in 700 attempts...pretty, pretty......pretttttttty good

1 minute ago, Bacarty2 said:

yep, working out great for him protecting the Gatorade jug on the bench. 

 

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/andre-dillard/32004449-4c18-6167-8a82-fd2a79031894

Cool, you just switched to a completely different argument. Have fun. 

A right pick or wrong pick aside, Dillard is on the roster.  He can't play RT and a back-up at LT.  The team will get more value of him if they could trade him for pick or another player, a RT to develop would be ideal.  Johnson is not getting any younger and a succession should be in place now.   

Anyone knows if Allen was in the mini camp just concluded?  Should he be with the team and get his WR basics down?

He surely has world-class speed and still has a couple of track meets before coming to TC.  If he can still play, the speed would be a huge asset to the WR group.

4 minutes ago, Penn7980 said:

Anyone knows if Allen was in the mini camp just concluded?  Should he be with the team and get his WR basics down?

He surely has world-class speed and still has a couple of track meets before coming to TC.  If he can still play, the speed would be a huge asset to the WR group.

He was not. He tested positive for COVID. 

4 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I'd say its nearly impossible. His 5th year was declined, and he's set to be a free agent. He'll get a deal somewhere that makes him either more money or more likely to play. Wouldn't make any sense for him to stay here. 

And... Eagles get them comp picks... 

17 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Dillard's issues were run blocking I thought? He was an elite pass blocker in college

In college? Yes.

In the pros, he handles speed-rushers very well. He doesn't handle power well. So big EDGEs give him trouble. Of course, power-rushes take longer to get to the QB than speed-rushes so a good QB can mitigate that.

2 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Maybe. I always think it's kind of dumb to bank on a comp pick and put yourself in a corner. 

They have the 21 August day wrong - it's Sunday...

4 minutes ago, RLC said:

In college? Yes.

In the pros, he handles speed-rushers very well. He doesn't handle power well. So big EDGEs give him trouble. Of course, power-rushes take longer to get to the QB than speed-rushes so a good QB can mitigate that.

33 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Yea, some team screwed everything up by including something extra in the contract. I think the Patriots? I'll have to look but it's affecting the majority of the second round because everyone else wants it also. 

Edit: NVM. It's the 4th round that's getting held up. I confused the two because it was the second pick in the 4th round. 

IDK just seems weird he hasn't signed yet. No info about it. BTW I moved from SW FL(Fort Myers). Lots of great Eagles nests down there. 

2 hours ago, RLC said:

I'm not mad at the Dillard pick. We had Jason Peters in what should have been his last year. Mailata had a stress fracture in his back at the end of his rookie season, and was already raw, so he couldn't be counted on. Dillard plays a premium position that we value highly.

The biggest failings of the Dillard pick was not knowing his personality better. They should have anticipated that he could fall. 

Or that he couldn't play RT...

They would have known more about him but they didn't really scout him, they thought he'd be long gone before their pick and took him without really doing their due diligence on him.

I'm not too worried about his personality, I think he just got beat out by a freak athlete In Mailata.

He's good Insurance for now, Lane seems to always miss a few games and Mailata can move over to RT and Dillard at LT and if Mailata misses anytime Dillard can fill in.

Still too bad he hasn't shown he can play RT.