3 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Yup, locking people up doesn't do much to help them change behaviors, sure there needs to be consequences yet those consequences need to have a purpose, jail often does not 

We need to have more programs for people in and out of jail to help them overcome their weaknesses and be more productive parts of society.

 

Sorry, but wiping out an entire family deserves a life sentence in my eyes. All which could have been so easily avoided. Dude had money enough to fly on a private jet even, he certainly could've afforded a ride from the airport to his mansion. He can get f'ed. 

6 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

I believe the Canadian Supreme Court is currently deciding on intent. Currently, if you are impaired and kill someone while driving, you can argue there was no intent to kill anybody when you got behind the wheel. That's why the case I referenced earlier got off with a relative slap on the wrist. If the SC decides that being impaired and getting behind the wheel carries an inherent intent, it could significantly change things. 

I do believe in breathalyzer starters. Those make sense with a DUI. 

On 6/20/2022 at 8:26 AM, UK Eagle said:

According to the latest ITB, Reagor has a good off-season so far - taking it very seriously. 

And they forgot about Nate Iloa winning the original off-season hype award....

Finished the pod last night while walking the dog. Man, I think the only source they used for that one was Dave Spadaro. 

1 minute ago, BigEFly said:

I do believe in breathalyzer starters. Those make sense with a DUI. 

Quite frankly I'd support all new vehicles having them installed. Car makers will never go for it though. 

 

1 minute ago, TorontoEagle said:

Sorry, but wiping out an entire family deserves a life sentence in my eyes. All which could have been so easily avoided. Dude had money enough to fly on a private jet even, he certainly could've afforded a ride from the airport to his mansion. He can get f'ed. 

I'm not a fan of life sentences for people that aren't an immediate threat to society, like murderers and even then each case can be different as even murderers are redeemable.

I'd rather see this guy serve a life sentence of community service and some how make a positive difference, tossing him in jail and throwing away the key doesn't help anything as he's basically a drain on society as our taxes support his 3 hots and a cot.

Consequences are important in holding people accountable personally I don't think jail as is, is a consequence with a positive purpose.

3 hours ago, Alphagrand said:

The best news for Eagles fans is McCarthy has been quoted saying they plan to have Dak run more this season.  Designed runs, rollouts, scrambles, etc.

Not only does that increase his chance for injury, but Dak has always had flawed technique when trying to throw while rolling right — making him quite inaccurate on those throws 

That's actually not a stupid plan. Dallas's OL is a shadow of what it once was. Biadasz is nowhere near the player Travis Frederick was. They'll have a rookie at LG, Martin still has the goods, but Tyron Smith has missed 20 games the last two years and is not what he once was. The other two guys are JAGs. Self-preservation is going to make Prescott run around more. 

5 minutes ago, Utebird said:

I'm not a fan of life sentences for people that aren't an immediate threat to society, like murderers and even then each case can be different as even murderers are redeemable.

I'd rather see this guy serve a life sentence of community service and some how make a positive difference, tossing him in jail and throwing away the key doesn't help anything as he's basically a drain on society as our taxes support his 3 hots and a cot.

Consequences are important in holding people accountable personally I don't think jail as is, is a consequence with a positive purpose.

This guy is a spoiled rich kid. His sentence that he did serve was in a minimum security prison, he played bocce ball regularly and had frequent conjugal visits with his fiance. Now that's he's out, he has his parents billions to fall back on, and is living his life free and clear. It ain't right. He was initially denied parole when it first came up at 5 years because he refused to acknowledge he did anything wrong. He still hasn't really shown much remorse for it. F him. 

1 minute ago, TorontoEagle said:

This guy is a spoiled rich kid. His sentence that he did serve was in a minimum security prison, he played bocce ball regularly and had frequent conjugal visits with his fiance. Now that's he's out, he has his parents billions to fall back on, and is living his life free and clear. It ain't right. He was initially denied parole when it first came up at 5 years because he refused to acknowledge he did anything wrong. He still hasn't really shown much remorse for it. F him. 

Well then doesn't seem more jail time is the answer no?

If being a spoiled D bag was punishable by jail time then most cowboys fans would be in jail...

Like I said I think there are more effective ways to deter /improve people's negative behavior than throwing them in jail, jail is a waste of time, it's basically adult day care that tax payers pay for, if I'm going to pay I'd rather pay for them to get help rather than funding their bocce ball career.

28 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Sorry, but wiping out an entire family deserves a life sentence in my eyes. All which could have been so easily avoided. Dude had money enough to fly on a private jet even, he certainly could've afforded a ride from the airport to his mansion. He can get f'ed. 

Money has jack all to do with it.

17 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Sorry, but wiping out an entire family deserves a life sentence in my eyes. All which could have been so easily avoided. Dude had money enough to fly on a private jet even, he certainly could've afforded a ride from the airport to his mansion. He can get f'ed. 

Inattentiveness running a stop sign, same result. Or any other driving, walking, biking violation?  Any distraction?  Texting?  Talking on Bluetooth/no hand held phone?  Eating?  Falling asleep at the wheel?  Changing the radio?  Negligence, yes.  Intent, no.  Maybe probability increases but intent?  That’s stretching it.  Would you feel the same for a poor person as his wealth seems to bother you?  Bachelor party suggests someone young making a mistake.  

Don’t know if you have seen the distracted by influencer doing a Tik Tok Allstate commercial in Canada but would you charge the distracted driver?  How about the distractor?  

I don’t know about Canada but in the US we jail way too many people for the wrong reasons. Jail isn’t always the best solution. 

26 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

 

Wonder how that affects his upcoming suspension, do you think he gets a year or less? 

It was inevitable 

13 minutes ago, The Blackfish said:

Wonder how that affects his upcoming suspension, do you think he gets a year or less? 

Supposedly the league is pushing for a full season and the NFLPA is bracing for something "unprecedented". I think they might push for more than a season and eventually settle or appeal to a full season. 

NFL is a reactionary league with punishments. I expect them to make an example of him after even more came out recently. 

11 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Inattentiveness running a stop sign, same result. Or any other driving, walking, biking violation?  Any distraction?  Texting?  Talking on Bluetooth/no hand held phone?  Eating?  Falling asleep at the wheel?  Changing the radio?  Negligence, yes.  Intent, no.  Maybe probability increases but intent?  That’s stretching it.  Would you feel the same for a poor person as his wealth seems to bother you?  Bachelor party suggests someone young making a mistake.  

Don’t know if you have seen the distracted by influencer doing a Tik Tok Allstate commercial in Canada but would you charge the distracted driver?  How about the distractor?  

I don’t know about Canada but in the US we jail way too many people for the wrong reasons. Jail isn’t always the best solution. 

3.5x the legal limit is intent, in my opinion. Those other scenarios you laid out don't carry intent as you note. And a poor person likely isn't able to hire one of the best (if not the best) lawyer in the country to get a favorable sentence and early release. Also, that poor person likely finds it incredibly difficult to find employment after release. This guy doesn't ever have to worry about working or earning an income. 

Giving leniency because he is "young and it was a mistake" is wrong in this particular situation, and frankly every occurrence requires it's own examination of the facts. But from a young age, it's been beaten into us that drinking and driving can and does result in bad outcomes. Saying it was a mistake just isn't good enough. You can basically kill anybody you'd like so long as you use your car, and you can get essentially get a slap on the wrist for it. 

We had a famous incel van attacker not long ago either, who clearly had intent. He is serving a life sentence. Being as drunk as this clown was, he should have received the same outcome. He was doing 100 miles per hour (160 km/h) when he t-boned the family. Again, f him. 

3 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Supposedly the league is pushing for a full season and the NFLPA is bracing for something "unprecedented". I think they might push for more than a season and eventually settle or appeal to a full season. 

NFL is a reactionary league with punishments. I expect them to make an example of him after even more came out recently. 

Browns didn’t do any favors with the contract they gave him. There needs to be punishment for attempting to avoid a suspension.

21 minutes ago, The Blackfish said:

Wonder how that affects his upcoming suspension, do you think he gets a year or less? 

Settled means "Paid to keep your mouth shut." It doesn't mean this predator didn't commit the crimes. People cave in to $$$$$$$. He is what he is- a pervert predator. 

6 minutes ago, WentzFan11 said:

Browns didn’t do any favors with the contract they gave him. There needs to be punishment for attempting to avoid a suspension.

I'm not sure how that works. If he's suspended for a full season, I'd think the contract tolls and it stats next season. Plus I'd imagine the NFL can just fine him a lump sum amount in addition to suspension. It also could just be for salary cap reasons for the Browns. They may know he's likely to get a full season suspension but have to carry him on the books all summer until it's announced and he's place on the suspended list. So they may have just structured it that way to keep as much flexibility as possible. 

The optics of it don't look great though. 

9 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Supposedly the league is pushing for a full season and the NFLPA is bracing for something "unprecedented". I think they might push for more than a season and eventually settle or appeal to a full season. 

NFL is a reactionary league with punishments. I expect them to make an example of him after even more came out recently. 

Since he is a "rich spoiled" person he should get life in prison.

Looking good for the Eagles to go 2-0 in joint practices

Deshaun Watson said he'd never settle because he was innocent. Guess something changed.

7 minutes ago, dawkdaballhawk said:

Since he is a "rich spoiled" person he should get life in prison.

Well he didn't wipe out an entire family, so no. Nice try though

20 hours ago, Godfather said:

Bryce Dallas Howard

alrighty, lets see what we got here.....ok, ok. not bad, i mean i would definitely tame that fire shrew. shes like a poor mans jessica chastain. not to shabby Godfather!

 

Any of the older Bloggers have a pair of these back in the day? 

22 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

 

Any of the older Bloggers have a pair of these back in the day? 

Speaking of rich guys getting away with murder....