5 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

what? how can you say that? 

I drew this to help you understand...

 

Kyler Murray is someone with major maturity issues that rubs teammates the wrong way. Hurts is not. 

8 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

what? how can you say that? 

I drew this to help you understand...

Murray is better than Hurts so far

Jeez…with these qb contracts, maybe the new in thing is to have a qb so crappy he’s cheap?

#aheadofthecurve

4 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Jeez…with these qb contracts, maybe the new in thing is to have a qb so crappy he’s cheap?

#aheadofthecurve

Tbh i rather have a crappy QB so i can just be bad to potentially draft a herbert or burrow than pay a Qb like murray $45+ million knowing he’s not good enough and has durability concerns. Cardinals have talent around him on offense. Yet he and kingsbury (Az and tech) have had the same issues where start off hot then crash and burn late. This is similar to the sam Bradford argument we all had at the end of 2015 before maneuvering to get wentz. Would you want to pay Bradford (not as good as murray) rather than just going with a bad QB for a year and taking your lumps but light at the end of the tunnel could be picking high enough to get the franchise QB. 

13 minutes ago, Shalodeep said:

 

I'm going to say Jalen is the imposter with the gap between them 

Ignore my previous post, I had the wrong math.  25 more games, not 16.

5 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Ignore my previous post, I had the wrong math.  25 more games, not 16.

Would take Hurts to average 

292 yards per game 

1.92 TDS per game

Hurts can't get those averages for the next 23 games so I feel you are still justified 

 

2 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Ignore my previous post, I had the wrong math.  25 more games, not 16.

27* 

Kyler has started 46 games and Hurts 19.

7 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

27* 

Kyler has started 46 games and Hurts 19.

So 270 a game and 1.77 TDS to equal Murray's numbers for the next 27 games. Way above Jalens averages right now. Comfortable saying he isn't as good as Murray and won't get there

25 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

yes because when a defense is about to make an interception the Dback says, hmmm he's really mature. maybe i shouldnt do this

If you ever played football you would know this happens quite often 

17 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

No. That does nothing for me. Colleges front load their schedule and play mary sister of the blind and out of conference games the first half the year. 

2013 - SMU, Stephen Austin, TCU, Texas State(who) Kansas, Iowa(nice win) WVU all wins, easy front half. then they lost to... the 11-2 sooners, OK state 10-3,  Texas. 

I thought it was common knowledge that college schedules get wayyyy tougher later in the year. SIDE NOTE, you probably have these results with everyone but the big 5-8 schools each year. 

As far as the Mahomes comment, you can say that about 29 different NFL qb's because they have zero chance to succeed in college unless they go to Bama, Georgia, and Clemson.

 

Let me ask you this... IF* Kyler Murray doesnt break down to they have a better 2nd half? What if he had a "real" qb who could sit back and sling like Rodgers, would he fall apart in the 2nd half? I doubt it.

 

Cool don’t care what you think. The data speaks for itself which you casually ignore like your whole odell Beckham argument we had  

Also so the good teams were at the end of the schedule that he couldn’t consistently beat. A portion weren’t even remotely close. So he feasted on bad cupcake teams early doesn’t make me feel better about him as a coach.

lol at your mahomes comment. Justin herbert didn’t suceed at Oregon? Burrow didn’t succeed at lsu? Murray and baker didn’t succeed at Oklahoma?This is a BULLCRAP argument. I’m not talking championships I’m talking not going 5-7 and 7-6 with mahomes 

novel concept both he and murray have the same issues but for different reasons  

 

15 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

KEWL BRO DONT CARE WHAT YOU THINK. lol what a clown. 

College isnt fair because of recruiting, coaching staff size, facility, etc etc. To think a T-Tech could be power houses constantly is dumb. 

I bet if you throw away all of those dates, time of year didnt matter one bit, you'll see that  He beat the teams he should have, and lost to the bigger/better programs. 

what a novel concept. 

Lol the only clown is the one who consistently says random things and then spend 2-3 hours getting owned by everyone on this board with facts and data backing them up 

So 5-7 with mahomes is now considered to be good college coaching. KEWLS. But clearly always someone else’s or blame it on something other than kingsbury himself cause you like him. Lol  this is your obj is still top 10 after he hadn’t been for 5 years but consistently blamed baker for everything f when it was only partially baker’s fault 

Im not asking Texas tech to be a powerhouse  I’m asking him with a QB like mahomes not too be 5-7 or go 13-19 with mahomes there. Heck the last two years he had mahomes he was 12-13 and lost to a 3-9 iowa state team by 56 points and a .500 baylor team. They gave up 40+ in 80 percent of those games and had just under 20 ppg defeat. that’s all with mahomes who was a top 10 pick at Qb. Great coaching right there  

novel concept he’s just not that good of a coach. 

35 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Tbh i rather have a crappy QB so i can just be bad to potentially draft a herbert or burrow than pay a Qb like murray $45+ million knowing he’s not good enough and has durability concerns. Cardinals have talent around him on offense. Yet he and kingsbury (Az and tech) have had the same issues where start off hot then crash and burn late. This is similar to the sam Bradford argument we all had at the end of 2015 before maneuvering to get wentz. Would you want to pay Bradford (not as good as murray) rather than just going with a bad QB for a year and taking your lumps but light at the end of the tunnel could be picking high enough to get the franchise QB. 

If I’m a Cards fan…I’m thinking…

I’ve got however long it takes my stupid franchise to be forced to realize Murray isn’t the guy.  2-3 years.  Then I’ve got however long it takes to fall apart, get high picks, and be clear of that contract.  2-3 years.  Then throw in the fudge time of recycling the current roster that is built are kind Murray.

They are going to be pushing a decade before they can get this right.

3 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

They are going to be pushing a decade before they can get this right.

How many years are we into our cycle?

Are we about to hit reset by drafting a new QB?

Or do we follow the Cards example like lemmings and extend an underachieving QB?

12 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

It's crazy to me that this is a hard concept to you.

It doesnt matter if you have the greatest QB of all time, if you're a marginal to "ok" school(like Tech is, and was) your almost always going to lose to a power house. 

So I debunked that it didnt matter when KK played power houses, he was going to lose. 

Now I have to teach you the hierarchy of college football to let you know that power houses beat cupcakes. 

What a word. 

So losing by 56 points to a 3-9 iowa state late in the season with mahomes clearly is everyone else’s fault but kingsbury? So that was such a great team in iowa state the second to last week of the season in 2016 who owned them scoring 66 points as the can’t miss offense by kingsbury with mahomes scored 10. Just so you know that was iowa states most points scored all year and the least given up. 

But the great kingsbury at coach and mahomes at QB that managed a whole whopping 10 points against the powerhouse that is iowa state 

Congrats once again don’t let facts get in the way of your love for kingsbury. 

What a world… apparently iowa state is a powerhouse as that was a team they lost to by 56 late in season lol 

16 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

If I’m a Cards fan…I’m thinking…

I’ve got however long it takes my stupid franchise to be forced to realize Murray isn’t the guy.  2-3 years.  Then I’ve got however long it takes to fall apart, get high picks, and be clear of that contract.  2-3 years.  Then throw in the fudge time of recycling the current roster that is built are kind Murray.

They are going to be pushing a decade before they can get this right.

I’m guessing they make a change at coach at the end of the season based off a friend who was a cardinals beat reporter but got moved to the suns beat. If kingsbury doesn’t win a playoff game he’s gone from what I was told. People inside the organization who wanted to fire him at the end of last year. A reason (not solely) why they didn’t was they already had issues with murray and they didn’t want to cause more friction at this time. 

They were locked into murray long term and weren’t ever going to trade him. So their fate was always tied to what kingsbury could do with him and whoever was the coach going forward. 

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I’m guessing they make a change at coach at the end of the season based off a friend who was a cardinals beat reporter but got moved to the suns beat. If kingsbury doesn’t win a playoff game he’s gone from what I was told. People inside the organization who wanted to fire him at the end of last year. A reason (not solely) why they didn’t was they already had issues with murray and they didn’t want to cause more friction at this time. 

They were locked into murray long term and weren’t ever going to trade him. So their fate was always tied to what kingsbury could do with him and whoever was the coach going forward. 

Why would they fire him? Obviously he's not expected to beat powerhouse winning teams! 

9 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

It's frustrating dealing with someone as dumb as you.

To think a "ok" program is going to beat power houses

To think 1 Quarterback is going to make a world of difference. 

Russ Wilson lost to Rutgers, guess he should of retired right then and there. 

Phillip Rivers was 0-4 against Maryland. Better hang em' up. 

Big program beats middle sizes and smaller programs

one quarterback doesnt make a difference.

thanks for playing

 

Where did i said he had to beat powerhouses consistently? I said he consistently lost games late in the season. Kansas state at 5-7 isn’t a power house. They lost. They lost to a 7-6 baylor team. Not a powerhouse. They lost to a 3-9 iowa state team… clearly a powerhouse (there’s more over too. That was just the last 3 years under kingsbury)

you keep making this narrative about powerhouse teams, he lost to late in season to non-powerhouse teams. They were teams they played who weren’t powerhouses and lost. Those are games you shouldn’t lose by 20. You should not lose by 56 to a 3 win team and score 10 points against a horrible iowa state team. And they had multiple games like that against pretty average teams with and without mahomes  

so keep making an argument that it’s only powerhouse teams Texas tech lost to late in season. Cause iowa state at 3-9, baylor at 7-6, Kansas state at 5-7 werent powerhouses  

and yet here you are calling people on here dumb and frustrating. 

4 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Where did i said he had to beat powerhouses consistently? I said he consistently lost games late in the season. Kansas state at 5-7 isn’t a power house. They lost. They lost to a 7-6 baylor team. Not a powerhouse. They lost to a 3-9 iowa state team… clearly a powerhouse. 

you keep making this narrative about powerhouse teams, he lost to late in season to non-powerhouse teams. They were teams they played who weren’t powerhouses and lost. Those are games you shouldn’t lose by 20. 

so keep making an argument that it’s only powerhouse teams Texas tech lost to late in season. Cause iowa state at 3-9, baylor at 7-6, Kansas state at 5-7 werent powerhouses  

and yet here you are calling people on here dumb and frustrating. 

Ultimately....he was actually fired by Texas Tech and hired to be USC's OC until the Cards came knocking. So even TT was sick of his failures 

Kyler Murray's contract 🤣🤣🤣

 

9 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Ultimately....he was actually fired by Texas Tech and hired to be USC's OC until the Cards came knocking. So even TT was sick of his failures 

Maybe it was the 56 point beat down to the powerhouse 3-9 that was iowa state. Or maybe the 21-6 loss to powerhouse 5-7 Kansas state. Or maybe just maybe it was the powerhouse baylor who was 5-6 and losers of 3 of 4 at the time that beat them 35-24. All of which took place late in the season when they began scuffling every single year he was there but since they were only playing powerhouse late in the year.

clearly it was only powerhouses that kingsbury was losing to late in season during his time there. 

4 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

this comment made me want to look up something(thank you Man from Toronto, just watched it last night_)

1) his replacment has already been fired

2) They were 6 game under .500 since Kill left, Kliff was 5 games under .500 

3) They lost to Iowa State by double digits two years in a row, lost to K-state all 3 years and are 1-2 against Baylor.

 

But @E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles will tell you Kliff came back to coach those games after he left and it's not the fact that T-Tech is an average program. 

 

 

Did the next Texas tech coach have mahomes and lose to the powerhouse 3-9 iowa state? 

so kingsbury was 1 game better than a bad coach who was fired after him is the argument you want to make? And kingsbury had a better QB for 2.5 years than that coach and managed 1 more victory. Cool. 

2 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

You have a weird obsession about that 1 blow out game lol.

He was 33-18 vs outranked teams and 3-22 vs ranked teams(now power houses). 

again, T-tech is a marginal school, one player on a team like that wont make a difference. 

So every team ranked is a powerhouse now. Wow talk about loose term for powerhouse lol. 

21 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Excited for the postgame hijinks when Deshaun accidently mistakes Cam for an IG masseuse 

Whoever the Browns backup is, is better than Cam Newton.

3 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Heres my last comment on this and then im leaving work the day...

Texas Tech is a marginal program. One QB wont make a difference on a marginal program. (I gave you more then 1 example) Colleges play cupcakes in the begining of the year and harder teams at the end of the year(common sense) He was 3-22 vs ranked teams. 

So now heres your options.... Does he 

1) Stink at the end of the year because he's forced to play real programs

or 2) Does he stink at the end of the year because.....it's the end of the year?

 

Or it’s both. He could at the end of the year play better teams and lose. But also when he has played some average to bad teams (iowa state at 3-9, baylor at 5-6 when they faced them and i can go back to other years where he lost to not very good teams late in the year) he also managed to lose to those teams. 

it could very well be both. 

it wasn’t just Kyler murray as the only reason the cardinals lost to the lions last year. It was murray and kingsbury. That team at year’s end was figured out schematically and murray wasn’t himself. It was a crap show in coach and murray with how he played. Both sucked. why i wouldn’t pay murray and why I’d fire kingsbury cause that was a trend in 2020 and 2019 they lost 4 of 6 to finish the year 

5 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

but thats my point.

He's way above .500 against unranked teams... and terrible against ranked teams(i'm here till 4) 

It just so happens that you play better teams, aka ranked teams, later in the year(all of college does this)

But the point is Kliff sucks. And the fact that he's repeated the same pattern in the NFL as he did in College has some relevance. 

Do you think KK is a good coach? 

I think he's a good offensive mind, but even at TT his defences were always terrible. I think he's another one of those guys who is best suited as an OC, but not a good HC. 

15 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

But the point is Kliff sucks. And the fact that he's repeated the same pattern in the NFL as he did in College has some relevance. 

Do you think KK is a good coach? 

I think he's a good offensive mind, but even at TT his defences were always terrible. I think he's another one of those guys who is best suited as an OC, but not a good HC. 

Kliff is a bottom 5 coach IMO. Murray does so much for that offense.