22 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

He's gonna flirt with 70,000 yards and 400 touchdown passes. 

I think we forget Carr is only been in the league for 7 years. Mortal Lock HOF, no. Delusional conversation, absolutely not. 

 

By the time Carr retires, 400 TD passes may not even be top 15. He’s not a top 10 QB of his generation. I think there’s no shot in hell he makes the hall unless he suddenly starts winning rings

21 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

 

With limited camp coverage and the majority of beat reporters on the take. Strong Shines, Hurts disappoints, but we never find out about it and they tell us "how great hurts looked in a weight room session and how he's the first one in the building and last one out". 

don't worry.  Reub is already lining up those to blame if Hurts doesn't succeed.

Why it's going to take more than just Jalen Hurts playing better to develop a big-time passing game:

1. The Eagles learned the second half of last season that they could beat a lot of bad teams running the ball more than they threw it. They learned in the playoffs that philosophy doesn’t work against an elite team with a smart defensive coordinator and a 31-point third-quarter lead. The Eagles averaged 31 pass plays per game last year — fewest in the NFL and the Eagles’ fewest since 1992. It was fun while it lasted, but when the Buccaneers forced the Eagles to throw, disaster struck. Jalen Hurts, a 23-year-old making his first postseason appearance, had to throw 43 passes, his most since Week 4, and the passing game just wasn’t evolved to the point where it could function. It wasn’t just Hurts. Jalen Reagor played 53 snaps on offense in that game (and had two yards), which will handcuff any quarterback. But the reality is that the Eagles just didn’t have the sort of high-powered passing game you need to be competitive these days. And that more than anything is what has to change this year. It’s not as simple as "Jalen has to get better.” It goes a lot deeper than that. Play calling has to improve with more variety and more aggressiveness. Pass blocking has to get better — the Eagles were only 14th in sacks allowed per pass attempt last year. Big plays have to increase — only six teams had fewer 30-yard completions last year. A.J. Brown has to play like the star we think he is. And Dallas Goedert and DeVonta Smith have to keep doing what they did in 2021. With these backs and this offensive line, the running game will still be there when the Eagles need it. And there will be plenty of opportunities for the Eagles to deploy the running attack. But they can’t rely on it, and their ability to develop a big-time passing game is one of the biggest keys to this 2022 season. 

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26 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

This is my argument "no shot in hell" C'mon man. Dudes got 10 years left in his career, only getting better and already has stout numbers. 

Before Davante Adams there was already conversations about him, or what he needs to do to get in.

so to say "delusional" or "no chance in hell" stop.

Daniel Jones has No Shot in hell making the HOF. You're delusional if you think Case Keenum will make the Hall, but not Carr. Thats my point

 

He’s never made an all pro team and likely never will. He’s never made the second round of the playoffs, and his stats are pedestrian by today’s standards. You call them stout numbers, but they’re only stout when comparing to 10, 20 years ago. Many guys today are routinely lapping him.

For the hall of fame, you have to consider the conversation of the era you’re comparing him with:

Would you put him in the hall of Fame over Aaron Rodgers?

Would you put him in the hall of fame over Drew Brees?

Would you put him in the Hall of Fame over Tom Brady?

Would you put him in the hall of fame over Ben Roethlisberger?

Would you put him in the hall of fame over Patrick Mahomes?

Do you put him in the hall of fame before Russell Wilson if no rings?

Do you put him in the hall of fame before league MVP Matt Ryan (who likely finishes with better stats/more wins/more playoff wins)?

Do you put him in before Matt Stafford (who will flirt with most ever yards and TDs)?

Do you put him in before Philip Rivers? (Who did throw for 421 TDs notably in a previous era, and will get huge votes just for being the NFL’s modern iron man… second most consecutive QB starts to Favre)?

Can you tell the story of the history of the  NFL with Derek Carr better than you can with Eli Manning if Carr wins no rings? (Oh by the way, Eli was top 10 in yards and TDs when he retired, where Carr very likely won’t be… even if he hits those stats you’ve proposed)

Do we believe he’s going to have a better career than Josh Allen?

Do we believe he’s going to have a better career than Joe Burrow?

Do we believe he will have a better career than Justin Herbert?

 

Now consider this: only 27 QBs EVER have made the hall of fame in nearly 100 years of NFL existence. No decade has had more than 6. Now look again how long that waiting list is.

 

Unless his team suddenly starts having unparalleled success in maybe the toughest division in NFL history, "no chance in hell” is not hyperbole. He’s just not that guy.

Im looking at that helmet and it just looks so bland. Its just like, youre looking at a picture in black and white. Nothing pops.

I really think they shoulda tried a matte finish on it. Or maybe gone with a different primary color. Like maybe a reflective silver similar to this

45 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

 

With limited camp coverage and the majority of beat reporters on the take. Strong Shines, Hurts disappoints, but we never find out about it and they tell us "how great hurts looked in a weight room session and how he's the first one in the building and last one out". 

agreed. Its going to be all Hurts hype. The whole 3 tweets a day we may get from camp this year. 

55 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

He's gonna flirt with 70,000 yards and 400 touchdown passes. 

I think we forget Carr is only been in the league for 7 years. Mortal Lock HOF, no. Delusional conversation, absolutely not. 

 

 

He would need to start having a lot of playoff success with some deep playoff runs and a Super Bowl.  He has only made the playoffs twice so far and lost in the first round both times. 

Stafford has had a similar career path prior to his Super Bowl win but even then he was more impressive in Detroit than Carr in Oakland. At no point in Carrs career would you have said he's a top 5 or even top 10 QB in the league. 

Carr is currently on no path towards the Hall of Fame.  The second half of his career and the success the teams he plays on will need to be drastically different than it has been thus far. 

6 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Again... My argument is for the guys who have ZERO chance and NO CHANCE in hell of making the Hall. Thats a dumb comment. 

He's 1 monster year (which he has 10-12 left) away from being a hall of famer.

 

He Just got D. Adams and Mcdaniels so things are gonna get interesting. 

Define "monster year”. If he repeats his best year 3-4 times again, he’s still not even a candidate.

Sure, Carr has some chance of making the hall....just needs an MVP season, Super Bowl ring, and to continue producing good numbers for another 5-10 years. So let's say his overall odds are what....5 percent? Less?

Had my step son's wedding at my house this weekend, but I am back and ready to go for training camp.

What hilarity did I miss the last 5 days ??  Did the RTK and Bacarty cripple fight ever have a winner ??

Just now, Bacarty2 said:

50/50. 

You think, right now, at this moment in time....Carr has a 50 percent chance to make the Hall?

2 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Had my step son's wedding at my house this weekend, but I am back and ready to go for training camp.

What hilarity did I miss the last 5 days ??  Did the RTK and Bacarty cripple fight ever have a winner ??

Lol no clear winner yet....though RTK of course fell back to calling Bacarty racist

8 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

If he repeats his 4 best years, close to 5000 yards, MVP votes, 35 touchdowns, he should be in the Hall conversation(in my opinion)

A monster year to me... MVP or Runner up. 5000 yards + 40 touchdowns +, AFC championship or better. 

BUT AGAIN! LOL.  

He's got a good enough foundation right now to have the hall of fame door open. So to say ZERO chance, NO Chance in hell is laughable. Those comments are reserved for Danny Jones, Jameis Winston, etc. 

Here’s the problem with where we are divided: that monster season you’re presenting is an Aaron Rodgers season. He would have to stop being Derek Carr, which is the entire purpose of this exercise: He IS Derek Carr. 
 

How many QBs with 7 full time seasons under their belt suddenly become different players in their 30’s? Those stats in this era aren’t special. You’re still thinking like it’s 10-20 years ago. Brees broke that wide open. Brady is routinely throwing 40 TDs, he was never that guy before (aside from 2007); Matt Stafford throws 41 TDs and nobody cares. Hell, Dak Prescott threw 37 TDs and it was a disappointing season. Herbert threw 5000 yards in his second season. 
 

Derek Carr still has no shot. He’s not special, he’s not dominant, and he’s greatly overshadowed in his era. How many 13th best QBs made the hall of fame you think?

Looks like my Game Pass will morph to NFL+ Premium this season.  Hopefully better than the All 22 function last year. 

7 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Sure, Carr has some chance of making the hall....just needs an MVP season, Super Bowl ring, and to continue producing good numbers for another 5-10 years. So let's say his overall odds are what....5 percent? Less?

This is based off of Pro Football References metrics.  No idea how their monitoring actually works when it come to accuracy.  

Hall of Fame Monitor

 

PFR HOF Monitor: 34.33 (82nd among QB, average HOF QB is 104.14

3 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

yes, like I said, he has a really good foundation.

It's strange, I dont think it's outlandish to think he's 50/50 in a generation that loves QB's, they play forever and the numbers get more and more ridiculous. 

 

 

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7 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

This is based off of Pro Football References metrics.  No idea how their monitoring actually works when it come to accuracy.  

Hall of Fame Monitor

 

 

PFR HOF Monitor: 34.33 (82nd among QB, average HOF QB is 104.14

I don't trust it that much...I think they had Kelce at 62.4, 12th amongst C, and avg HOF is 102.92. But I think Kelce very likely gets in the HOF, especially if he rips off one more AP this year. 

14 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

yes, like I said, he has a really good foundation. (mvp votes, multiply pro bowls, really good numbers for todays game) and he's got 65-70 % of his career left, and o ya, he got the best wide receiver in the league with one of the best offensive minded coaches in the league. 

 

It's strange, I dont think it's outlandish to think he's 50/50 in a generation that loves QB's, they play forever and the numbers get more and more ridiculous. 

 

50/50 is outlandish. He put up nice yards last year (5th overall, 4800, and 5th in attempts). But only 23 TDs? That hurts (no pun intended). Only once has he gone OVER 30 TDs, and that was in 2015 where he put up 32. 

He averages 24 TDs a year. Unless that number drastically changes (and it certainly could jump with Adams there), AND he finds significant playoff success....he'll be overshadowed by his peers. Mahomes, Allen, Herbert and Burrow will all likely put up better raw numbers, and all but Herbert have already had more playoff success. 

I think Carr's odds to make it are extremely low, but of course it's not zero. 

2 hours ago, Bacarty2 said:

He's gonna flirt with 70,000 yards and 400 touchdown passes. 

I think we forget Carr is only been in the league for 7 years. Mortal Lock HOF, no. Delusional conversation, absolutely not. 

 

Even if there’s a slight chance Carr can make the HOF, you have to admit it’s absurd to put him in the same category as Aaron Rodgers. 
 

A potential GOAT vs a borderline HOF is not comparable.

1 minute ago, WentzFan11 said:

Even if there’s a slight chance Carr can make the HOF, you have to admit it’s absurd to put him in the same category as Aaron Rodgers. 
 

A potential GOAT vs a borderline HOF is not comparable.

Just some quick back of the napkin math....but Carr is currently 31 y/o. He likely has what, 7 years left of good football, IF that? 

On his current paces, 7 years at 24 TDs per year is 168 TDs, which would put him at 361. He would need to average 5.6 additional TDs per year for the next 7 years, just to hit 400 TDs. Could happen, I suppose, but going from one season in 8 years of over 30 TDs, to suddenly averaging 30 TDs/per seems unlikely. 

I'd bet a large sum of money that Carr never sniffs the HOF. 

1 hour ago, Bacarty2 said:

50/50. 

 

He is nowhere near a 50/50 shot to make the hall of fame right now. 

The current state of the Eagles and their fans:

1 hour ago, downundermike said:

Had my step son's wedding at my house this weekend, but I am back and ready to go for training camp.

What hilarity did I miss the last 5 days ??  Did the RTK and Bacarty cripple fight ever have a winner ??

You are currently missing the troll that joined the boards as packer Nation. Have fun. 

1 minute ago, PackerNation said:

The current state of the Eagles and their fans:

This guy. It’s not even creative trolling.

What a loser...gotta be a clone, but like...why?