3 minutes ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

It looks to me that he also threw for a lot fewer yards on what was almost the same number of completions, which suggests that he was throwing shorter passes, which are easier to complete. So it would have been expected that Mills would have a higher competition percentage. Kinda like the game Sudfeld had in that meaningless finale against the Cowboys when he completed about 80% of his passes but only for a little over 100 yards...and no points.

Citing touchdowns in this case might have some meaning, but a comparison based on completion percentage is just about meaningless.

 

Pssst. Look at the amount of games played 

5 minutes ago, Texas Eagle said:

A bit behind. No practice today?

They were in full pads for over an hour yesterday.  Next practice is week 1 of the season.

1 minute ago, D-Shiznit said:

These 4 teams will for sure be in the QB market.

Seattle

Detroit

Atlanta

Giants

These 3 times will likely be in the QB market

Washington

Miami

Carolina

The 3 times could be in the QB market

Colts

Vikings

Saints

Miss anyone? Titans? Texans? Bucs?

These 4 teams will for sure be in the QB market.

Seattle

Detroit

Atlanta

Giants

 

These 3 teams will likely be in the QB market

Washington

Miami

Carolina

 

The 3 teams could be in the QB market

Colts

Vikings

Saints

 

Miss anyone? Titans? Texans? Bucs?

2 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Very much doubt that the Bears give up on Fields after only 2 years.

1 minute ago, D-Shiznit said:

These 4 teams will for sure be in the QB market.

Seattle

Detroit

Atlanta

Giants

 

These 3 times will likely be in the QB market

Washington

Miami

Carolina

 

The 3 times could be in the QB market

Colts

Vikings

Saints

 

Miss anyone? Titans? Texans? Bucs?

Steelers likely are set but if they totally tank I could see them grabbing a QB. Chicago as well. But you hit the usual suspects, outside some unexpected trade/falling out etc. 

1 hour ago, Utebird said:

Wow that's the longest justification I've ever read.

One can't be innocent in the eyes of the court until proven guilty if one is never charged and brought before the court no?

Being liable Instead of guilty doesn't minimize what Watson did not does it minimize the  negative impacts Watson's choices had on his victims.

Whether the reward in civil court was 1$ or 1 million doesn't minimize or justify Watsons actions.

As for citations really u read the ones that were released to the public, no need to go and look them up in the county.

Having said that since Watson was never charged throwing out federal court jargon is really beside the point and all we have to go on is the confidential result of the civil suits and as you said I said, it comes down to " he said she said"

Cases like Watsons aren't abnormal, plenty of women make legal complaints about sexual violence by men towards them, and most of those cases go no further than that initial complaint as without any physical evidence or eye witness it comes down to he said she said and most dudes aren't going to incriminate themselves. What makes Watsons case unique is the sheer number of victims all telling similar experiences of Watsons predatory behavior.

In a he said she said case 24 victims is a lot more she saids than Watsons 1 he said.

In a civil suit one doesn't have to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt and 24 individual testimonies against Watson creates probable cause.

Ruling probable cause in a civil court instead of guilt in a federal court doesn't change or minimize or justify what Watson did.

After reading the women's accounts I was appalled by Watsons actions.

That he wasn't charged federally or found guilty federally didnt change how I felt about the victims statements, I didn't question their sincerity in their claims or question whether or not what they claimed Watson did was less worse.

If you did that's on you, I'm going to stick with the 25 women victims and choose to believe those 25 over the voice of one man.At the same time I feel zero need to justify or minimize what he did, why would I???why does anybody feel the need to minimize justify sexual violence? 

No amount of legal jargon is going to lessen the impact Watsons actions had on those women.

If you don't think Watson did what those women said he did just say that.

If you don't think it was that bad  doing so is minimizing and justifying.

Do yourself and us a favor and Instead of writing a10 page law jargon filled dick measuring contest just simply state.

I don't believe the 25 women and if I did what Watson did to them wasn't that bad...

 

 

 

 

I believe you have experience with the criminal court system.  I have decades of experience with the civil court system.  I understand your belief that the accuser’s word prevails.  But that isn’t the basis for adjudication in a civil proceeding.   I am on record of not wanting Watson.  From the way Hardin responded, I believe there was at the least inappropriate behavior on his part. 

Innocent in the eyes of the court.  TV jurisprudence language. A person isn’t found innocent.  Rather the State fails to prove guilt.  Here, the evidence was insufficient in the eyes of two grand juries to even warrant indictment.  Grand juries are strictly the prosecutors and the grand jury. No defense.  

8 minutes ago, D-Shiznit said:

Very much doubt that the Bears give up on Fields after only 2 years.

Unlikely sure, but if they end up with a high pick, Fields doesn't show much and they have a shot at a Trevor Lawrence/Joe Burrow level QB prospect it wouldn't surprise me either. 

45 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

What? You’re presuming a man guilty and calling him a criminal, when he hasn’t even been brought up on any criminal charges. Grand juries refused to indict him based on the evidence they had. But, you know more because you have this weird need to white knight for these women.

So yes, you are acting on pure emotion. Much like the old mobs with pitchforks used to do. Some of us have evolved past that. Most of us recognize Watson is a creepy dude, but at the end of the day, he’s not a criminal. And that’s not minimizing what he did, it’s just the facts.

Key phrase, "the evidence they had"

The grand jury wasn't given all the evidence.

If I remember correctly only two of the 25 victims were presented by the prosecution  to testify.

There are plenty of reasons and theories as to why that was and that they didnt doesnt absolve Watson of his action or minimize or justify them 

The "fact"is that he was never found guilty or not not guilty in a federal court if that which he was being accused And he settled 24 cases in a civil court.

You want to use that fact to point out that in the eyes of a federal court of law Watson is not a criminal and I'm using the same fact to say he is, seeing as innocent people don't settle civil suits out of the goodness of their hearts 

They settle because they know the evidence in civil court will most likely find them guilty of said accusations and that court making them liable by court terms.

No one is asking for vigilante justice or mobs and pitchforks.at least not me...

don't use the federal legal results in this case to minimize or justify what Watson did.

Criminal is a subjective term one that a federal court never ruled on either way, they rather ruled there wasn't enough evidence to prosecute him in court, therefore in the eyes of the federal court he is neither a criminal or not a criminal which leaves us to the civil court and even the NFL arbitrator who said in her ruling that she believed what Watson did was Wrong but not violent...

There isn't nor should be much controversy about what Watson actually did, 25 individual witnesses all corroborating similar experiences is a pretty strong witness, the controversy is, whether or not what he did "was that bad" and does it warrant federal or civil consequences?

Feds said we have not been presented with enough evidence to suggest we can determine whether or not we should judge guilt or innocence so won't.

Civic court had at least 25 presented witness statements and we're ready to charge Watson.

He settled, which is the equivalent of a no contest or plea bargain in federal court not an absolvent of guilt.

So again not basing my opinion purely off of emotion, I'm Instead choosing to take the whole picture with all it's moving parts and base my opinion off of that Instead of limiting my opinion to one part of a federal jurisdiction to justify my minimizing of Watsons actions.

 

Does this EMB have a discord?

23 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Yeah but i have a feeling the lions, Seahawks are competing for top 3 in the draft. Imo i think the 5 worst teams are some order of lions, Seahawks, falcons, jets and jags. Even if lions and seattle aren’t the worse likely picking top 5 and the move up looks more enticing for a teams willing to trade back from 1 or 2 to drop to 4 or 5 then somewhere in the 15-22 range. 

You wanna make an avatar bet? I'll take the Lions making the playoffs this year. 1 month avatar control? 

14 minutes ago, D-Shiznit said:

Very much doubt that the Bears give up on Fields after only 2 years.

Fields stinks as a prospect, and CHI might have been the worst place for him to get drafted.  Pace and Nagy were dumb enough to overdraft him; Poles and Eberflus will get fired just as quickly if they stick with him beyond 2022.  

5 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Key phrase, "the evidence they had"

The grand jury wasn't given all the evidence.

If I remember correctly only two of the 25 victims were presented by the prosecution  to testify.

There are plenty of reasons and theories as to why that was and that they didnt doesnt absolve Watson of his action or minimize or justify them 

The "fact"is that he was never found guilty or not not guilty in a federal court if that which he was being accused And he settled 24 cases in a civil court.

You want to use that fact to point out that in the eyes of a federal court of law Watson is not a criminal and I'm using the same fact to say he is, seeing as innocent people don't settle civil suits out of the goodness of their hearts 

They settle because they know the evidence in civil court will most likely find them guilty of said accusations and that court making them liable by court terms.

No one is asking for vigilante justice or mobs and pitchforks.at least not me...

don't use the federal legal results in this case to minimize or justify what Watson did.

Criminal is a subjective term one that a federal court never ruled on either way, they rather ruled there wasn't enough evidence to prosecute him in court, therefore in the eyes of the federal court he is neither a criminal or not a criminal which leaves us to the civil court and even the NFL arbitrator who said in her ruling that she believed what Watson did was Wrong but not violent...

There isn't nor should be much controversy about what Watson actually did, 25 individual witnesses all corroborating similar experiences is a pretty strong witness, the controversy is, whether or not what he did "was that bad" and does it warrant federal or civil consequences?

Feds said we have not been presented with enough evidence to suggest we can determine whether or not we should judge guilt or innocence so won't.

Civic court had at least 25 presented witness statements and we're ready to charge Watson.

He settled, which is the equivalent of a no contest or plea bargain in federal court not an absolvent of guilt.

So again not basing my opinion purely off of emotion, I'm Instead choosing to take the whole picture with all it's moving parts and base my opinion off of that Instead of limiting my opinion to one part of a federal jurisdiction to justify my minimizing of Watsons actions.

 

Again, you have next to no experience in civil law if that's how you think it works. People settle all the time, and not necessarily because they're liable, but because it's a cost analysis issue. 

As to the bold....what? 

2 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Fields stinks as a prospect, and CHI might have been the worst place for him to get drafted.  Pace and Nagy were dumb enough to overdraft him; Poles and Eberflus will get fired just as quickly if they stick with him beyond 2022.  

Ohio State QB, plus being a Bears QB is the kiss of death. 

4 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

You wanna make an avatar bet? I'll take the Lions making the playoffs this year. 1 month avatar control? 

15 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Did you ever go to Lehigh. Not that much difference except one less daily practice.  But that’s the world of the modern CBA.  NFLPA bargained for less practice and less physical (padded) practice.  Anybody having gone through two a days under a hot August sun using salt tablets would think that was a good thing. 

Yes I did.  How can you say it's not that different?  It's night and day.  On top of the practices being intense and multiple times per day, one of the team benefits at Lehigh was the bonding that could occur while having the entire team stay on a college campus.  A lot can be gained from slumming it in a college dorm playing video games with your teammates while having a curfew instead of driving from your swanky Philly home the the NC Complex.  

I, and I'm sure plenty of other guys on here played high school and college football.  I had 3 a days in HS and 2 a days in college.  Yes, it was hard work and often times it sucked but it prepared you for the season.  Getting those first bruises out of the way from 100% full contact goes a long way.  Granted, the level of football I played is not the NFL but I still had to go out there in full pads, hitting the sled, doing the drills, running sprints and hills and I don't think it's a good thing that the new CBA has negotiated for lighter practice.  IMO, they care more about less work and more money.  

I think it's funny that this team, QB and coach especially, preach hard work, grinding and "loving ball", but they don't seem to want to do it.  The CBA is what it is but Sirianni took the CBA rules and said we aren't even going to come close to half of what we're allowed to do.  

I know I have an old school mentality and I understand the need to adapt but to completely abandon old habits isn't always the answer.  It's a societal thing now too though.  Old mentality is bad, now shut up and do things the new way we want to our be gone.  

12 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

You wanna make an avatar bet? I'll take the Lions making the playoffs this year. 1 month avatar control? 

I’ll take it. i definitely didn’t realize they get to play jets, jags, Texans, seattle, Carolina, giants and Washington as part of their out of conference schedule along with Chicago twice in conference. 

If this were the afc I’d be way more confident they’d not make the playoffs. But the nfc it’s wide open due to niners change at QB and who knows with lance, saints new head coach and hard schedule and like half the conference is bad. 

25 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

I believe you have experience with the criminal court system.  I have decades of experience with the civil court system.  I understand your belief that the accuser’s word prevails.  But that isn’t the basis for adjudication in a civil proceeding.   I am on record of not wanting Watson.  From the way Hardin responded, I believe there was at the least inappropriate behavior on his part. 

Innocent in the eyes of the court.  TV jurisprudence language. A person isn’t found innocent.  Rather the State fails to prove guilt.  Here, the evidence was insufficient in the eyes of two grand juries to even warrant indictment.  Grand juries are strictly the prosecutors and the grand jury. No defense.  

Yup, and all the evidence for whatever reason was withheld from the gran jury.

Yes I do have personal experience with criminal court system an no I don't have any with civil court system, and I'd like to think I have a basic understanding of how it functions though and I believe I'm on the same page as you and Toronto on what that is 

I think where you and I and Toronto disagree is what that ultimately means to us and/or should mean to others 

 

 

8 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Yup, and all the evidence for whatever reason was withheld from the gran jury.

Yes I do have personal experience with criminal court system an no I don't have any with civil court system, and I'd like to think I have a basic understanding of how it functions though and I believe I'm on the same page as you and Toronto on what that is 

I think where you and I and Toronto disagree is what that ultimately means to us and/or should mean to others 

 

 

 

19 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Again, you have next to no experience in civil law if that's how you think it works. People settle all the time, and not necessarily because they're liable, but because it's a cost analysis issue. 

As to the bold....what? 

Ohio State QB, plus being a Bears QB is the kiss of death. 

The cost analysis issue is, if the court finds me liable I could end up paying more than I would if I settled.

If one doesn't think one would be found liable why would one settle?

He settled because he first, had the financial means to do so and secondly he and his lawyer knew they would most likely lose in court.

Even the NFL arbitrator said he was guilty, she had way more evidence than what the grand jury was presented, it was her " opinion" that his acts while wrong weren't " violent" and I disagree as do others.

Like I said, whether one feels Watson is innocent or guilty or what he did just wasn't that bad or really bad the outcomes of the grand jury ruling doesn't really reflect any of that so in my opinion shouldn't be a basis to form ones opinion on the case and In doing so only minimizes what Watson did do.

That is all.

Dallas sucks!

 

 

1 hour ago, D-Shiznit said:

These 4 teams will for sure be in the QB market.

Seattle

Detroit

Atlanta

Giants

 

These 3 teams will likely be in the QB market

Washington

Miami

Carolina

 

The 3 teams could be in the QB market

Colts

Vikings

Saints

 

Miss anyone? Titans? Texans? Bucs?

Titans got Malik Willis, they’ll try and start him in 2023 or 2024 depending on how the season goes this year with Tannehill. Atlanta also drafted a QB, may be fool’s gold but they’re just as likely to stick with him as not. I think Ridder has the best chance of succeeding in 2022, maybe more than Pickett.

I think the Saints and Titans should move way up the list. Jameis does not have a franchise deal, and the probability he earns one is low. Mills is a Hurts situation, they’re only playing him because they don’t have better. And they’re almost assuredly a top 5 pick again in a good QB draft.

 

One I’d remove is Lions. They have a decent QB at a decent age who can lead them to the playoffs if they acquire talent. For most places he’s not good enough, but most places aren’t Detroit. I think they only move on if they get the top pick or close.

So when do we find out about Alvin Kamara suspension?  Would be huge for us if he's out at least 4-6 games

1 hour ago, Utebird said:

If I were basing things , " purely" from emotion than my post would have been purely emotional 

I could say you are trying to justify your views purely through federal law which shows your lack of very basic emotional Intelligence.

Which really isn't how a society should function.

Again with Federal law.  Nothing in this entire matter involves Federal law.  Federal law is the U S laws passed by the U.S. Congress and the regulations to enforce such as authorized by Congress.

The civil actions pursued were filed under Texas state law.  The prosecutors were county elected or city elected.  The NFL Personal Conduct Policy is governed by NY state law to some extent per the CBA. (Some Federal law would apply to governance of the CBA but that isn’t applicable here.). Sorry for the law treatise but you butcher the law involved continuously. 

I am done with this discussion with you.  

22 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Again with Federal law.  Nothing in this entire matter involves Federal law.  Federal law is the U S laws passed by the U.S. Congress and the regulations to enforce such as authorized by Congress.

The civil actions pursued were filed under Texas state law.  The prosecutors were county elected or city elected.  The NFL Personal Conduct Policy is governed by NY state law to some extent per the CBA. (Some Federal law would apply to governance of the CBA but that isn’t applicable here.). Sorry for the law treatise but you butcher the law involved continuously. 

I am done with this discussion with you.  

Ok have a good day!

Didn't realize the Steelers signed Genard Avery.  Never liked the trade they made for him but watch him produce for the Steelers. 

1 hour ago, bpac55 said:

Yes I did.  How can you say it's not that different?  It's night and day.  On top of the practices being intense and multiple times per day, one of the team benefits at Lehigh was the bonding that could occur while having the entire team stay on a college campus.  A lot can be gained from slumming it in a college dorm playing video games with your teammates while having a curfew instead of driving from your swanky Philly home the the NC Complex.  

I, and I'm sure plenty of other guys on here played high school and college football.  I had 3 a days in HS and 2 a days in college.  Yes, it was hard work and often times it sucked but it prepared you for the season.  Getting those first bruises out of the way from 100% full contact goes a long way.  Granted, the level of football I played is not the NFL but I still had to go out there in full pads, hitting the sled, doing the drills, running sprints and hills and I don't think it's a good thing that the new CBA has negotiated for lighter practice.  IMO, they care more about less work and more money.  

I think it's funny that this team, QB and coach especially, preach hard work, grinding and "loving ball", but they don't seem to want to do it.  The CBA is what it is but Sirianni took the CBA rules and said we aren't even going to come close to half of what we're allowed to do.  

I know I have an old school mentality and I understand the need to adapt but to completely abandon old habits isn't always the answer.  It's a societal thing now too though.  Old mentality is bad, now shut up and do things the new way we want to our be gone.  

I agree that I think the practices are a bit soft under the last two CBAs.  But players work out year round now compared to when they went to real jobs in the offseason.  I understand your frustration with the newer Eagles approach. (It predates Sirianni.). But I also think three a days (didn’t think you were old enough for those) resulted in injury.  There is a happy median between today’s CBA and Junction.