41 minutes ago, The Blackfish said:

 After the Atlanta game last season I thought Siriani must have his act together and he knows what he’s doing. Now, I’m just happy Lurie didn’t hire Arthur Smith and that Nick is just the tallest midget out of last years coaching hires.  No minicamp, 6 out of 10 OTA’s, no wonder why they’re drafting Alabama players, they need finished talent because developing it isn’t gonna happen on Siriani’s watch. 

Other than the macho attitude that it's a "man's game", can you show me any proof that long, physically demanding TCs prepare teams better than a lighter physical load but more hands on teaching. For example, Slay was talking about the value of walk throughs, where he can stop and ask questions and get a better understanding of where he's supposed to be and what he should be doing. As schemes have become more complex, the mental part becomes more important.

AR ran death camps back when he was first coaching, is he still doing that in KC?

Teams are learning there's a tradeoff between physical camps, time spent in hands on teaching and injuries. If you're going full speed all the time, you don't have a chance to slow things down, point out mistakes and correct them. And a lot of things, like fundamentals and technique, are best taught on the side, with players repeating motions in shorts or shells, not in a pads on 7x7 or full squad practice.

And it's not like it takes 4 games to get acclimated to hitting, more like 4 series.

TC goes for six weeks, with 3 or 4 days of scrimmages, and 3 exhibition games. So what is the optimal amount of practice with pads and hitting?

 

30 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

Breaking news: Lombardi is still an idiot

 

Lombardi can suck it

24 minutes ago, Agent23 said:

Sorry for the delay, haven’t logged in for 2-3 days. I work for a different segment of Daikin that is on the commercial applied side (ducted systems — AHUs RTUs — and other equipment like chillers, fan coils, WSHPs), so I have only had limited exposure to their VRV products and their capabilities/limitations. Hoping to visit their Houston facility in late October for a training event but we’ll see what happens. 

I think their heat pump condensing units operate down to like -4° Outside air temp, but I wouldn’t quote me on that. We incorporate their tech into our equipment as custom-built orders, but the only limits I deal with is the entering air temp limits for refrigerant hearing, for the indoor unit(s) coils, which is 50°. You won’t be feeding outside air through any of your indoor console units, so that 50° entering air temp would be irrelevant and the biggest thing would be how low of an OAT the condensing unit will run at if you’re planning on using the VRV system for your primary (or only?) hearing source in your home. 

It's actually the MXS line that would be being installed. 

Send like the Bryant system is easy more efficient cooling. 25 SEER vs 20 SEER.

But the Daikin is maybe slightly better heating. But there are minimal differences in HSPF and COP.

I feel like maybe it'll all equal out over the course of the year. 

Jimmy Kempski thinks it's curious that the Eagles shave barely had Siposs punt at all so far this training camp.  That's because the Eagles don't plan on punting much at all this season.  He will likely be punting a lot in preseason though from how sounds like Carson Strong has looked in camp.  

2 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

Jimmy Kempski thinks it's curious that the Eagles shave barely had Siposs punt at all so far this training camp.  That's because the Eagles don't plan on punting much at all this season.  He will likely be punting a lot in preseason though from how sounds like Carson Strong has looked in camp.  

He'll need the practice for the real season when they stuff the run 

3 hours ago, WentzFan11 said:

What time period would you say America was better than it is right now?

80's🤘

1 hour ago, NCiggles said:

Easily 110 degrees with the heat index. 

I just want to make sure that in the land of free expression we are only getting rid of the right people. 

We better add Cowboy fans then

1 hour ago, Utebird said:

Doesn't minimize or justify slavery in the US.

 

No, but I think that has damn well been covered. It's also the only country I can remember when 360k+ people in a country died in a civil war fighting to free those slaves.

58 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

Breaking news: Lombardi is still an idiot

 

The Eagles "tanked” by pulling Hurts, who was 7/20 for 72 yards and an INT, for Sudfeld who went 5/12 for 32 yards and an INT.   They were trailing and on their way to losing when the QB change was made — and both QBs stunk in the game.  It could be argued that Sudfeld stunk worse than Hurts.

Even though Doug promised Sudfeld the 2nd half and only actually played him in the 4th quarter, and the NFL ruled many years prior that each team plays in their own best interest, this dufus thinks the team should forfeit draft picks  

1 minute ago, Alphagrand said:

The Eagles "tanked” by pulling Hurts, who was 7/20 for 72 yards and an INT, for Sudfeld who went 5/12 for 32 yards and an INT.   They were trailing and on their way to losing when the QB change was made — and both QBs stunk in the game.  It could be argued that Sudfeld stunk worse than Hurts.

Even though Doug promised Sudfeld the 2nd half and only actually played him in the 4th quarter, and the NFL ruled many years prior that each team plays in their own best interest, this dufus thinks the team should forfeit draft picks  

 

It was obvious that they were going to win the game if Hurts stayed in.  Washington wasn't getting  anything done on offense at that point.  It was in the Eagles best interests to lose that game and there isn't anything wrong with that.

6 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

No, but I think that has damn well been covered. It's also the only country I can remember when 360k+ people in a country died in a civil war fighting to free those slaves.

And the only country where hundreds of thousands died to continue slavery so...

AJ Brown nice hands catch fully extended away from his body.

Paschal and the AFL guy came with some body catches. 

Covey finished it off with a hands catch. 

 

3 hours ago, WentzFan11 said:

What time period would you say America was better than it is right now?

1950's to 1990. Internet esp social media etc killed this world. 

19 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Gladly.

 

First, just the mention some of the guys going in this year class should be proof enough that Mcnabb has more of a chance for future consideration.  I am not saying McNabb is a lock, but he's closer to being a lock than "not a sniff". 

So let's start with some other QB's that are already in.  

 

Namath:  I have long argued that I think Namath is one of the most overrated NFL players of all time.  What got him in was the guarantee and of course the historical win, the endorsements and his celebrity status.    McNabb has a much better career passer rating.  10K more yards.  60+ more Td's.  100 less INT.  As a matter of fact, Namath had more INT than TD in his career. 

Stabler: Another massively overrated player.  He also had more INT than TD in his career.  McNabb had a better rating of more than 10 pts.  40 more TD and over 100 less INT.  Stabler only went to 4 pro bowls compared to McNabb's 6.  Yes, Stabler won a title.  

Jurgensen:  Rating closer to McNabb, but still not there.  5 Pro Bowls to McNabb's 6.  Less yards but more TD's than McNabb, although he played 5 years more than McNabb.  But Sonny had 70+ more INT.  Never won an MVP and never won a SB.  But did win the title in 1960.  

Griese: More of the same.  Very undeserving.  Pretty much all of the stats, McNabb comes out on top over Griese.  Griese won the SB.  McNabb and the Eagles didn't.  Griese might be the worst QB in the HOF.  

Dan Fouts:  He played 15 seasons to McNabb's 13.  Fouts had 6,000 more yards, which is explained considering the offense he got to play in.  Fouts had only 20 more TD but 130+ more INT than McNabb.  McNabb's passer rating was also better than Fouts by 5 points.  Which is a big difference.  Fouts had 12 more career TD than INT.  That is huge.   So when people bring up the fact that McNabb didn't win the SB.  Neither did Fouts.  

Warner:  This is a contentious one and a topic I brought up when Warner got inducted.  A couple great seasons.  2 MVP's which I get is a big deal.  And of course that one SB.  But he had a ton of mediocre or pedestrian seasons in the middle of his career.  Much like Namath, I see his story or celebrity helped him get in over production.  Better rating than McNabb.  But he had less TDs and more INT than McNabb.  And had only 4 pro bowls compared to 6.  

 

if you think McNabb shouldn't sniff the HOF, then I wonder how you can justify all of these guys.  

Jan Stenarud

Jackie Smith

Lynn Swann is grossly overrated but was on that Dynasty. 

Richard Dent

Terrel Davis

Jackie Smith

Paul Hornung

Tony Boselli

Dan Hampton

Andre Tippett

Bob Hayes

Sam Mills

Leroy Butler

Bryant Young

Cliff Branch

 

McNabb was and still is unjustly criticized and crapped on in Philly.  I don't know what it is with him, but he makes Philly fans mental.  It's a shame, because it was a great era.  I get the heartache, we all lived it.  But would you rather have been the Lions? Or just sneaking into the postseason only to get embarrassed in a WC game?

I'll start with the bolded at the top.  I agree.  But, I disagree with a lot of the 'very goods' that have gotten into the Hall recently.  Carl Banks?  Nope, not a guy that should have gotten in.   

This year's class is also a very weak group, no doubt.  Young is the poster-child, but I agree that Branch, Butler and to a lesser extent, Mills aren't people that belong.  Mills gets a lot of support because of his death.  That really shouldn't be a part of the consideration.

 

Now, as to the list of QBs you mention... the question that needs to be discussed is, can the story of the NFL be told without this QB?
For Namath, I think that the story of the NFL requires him.  SB III was a big turning point in the history of the NFL with the NFL-AFL merger.  On statistics alone, I agree, overrated.  But, comparing stats from the 2000s to a QB that played primarily in the 60s and 70s just makes no sense.  That's not going to work for me.   If you want to go strictly by stats to argue for McNabb, then you'd have to open the door to Vinny Testaverde, Drew Bledsoe, Kerry Collins, Carson Palmer and a few others that would be laughed at.  They all have more passing yards than McNabb and were contemporaries of McNabb.

Stabler, Jurgenson and Griese... they all get the benefit of the SBs... Griese being part of the only undefeated team in NFL history.  I agree they are guys that really shouldn't have gotten in, but again you keep piling their stats against McNabb's.  That's not a fair comparison given the drastic rule changes that took place, first in the late 70's.. the 5 yard chuck rule, and then the greater enforcement of that and other rules in the 2000s that really made passing.

Fouts absolutely belongs.  That passing offense revolutionized the NFL and he was a big, big part of the changes to the NFL.  

Warner had the magical story and SB win, and went back two more times with teams that nobody ever thought could do it.  

 

I don't pretend to agree with all the players that have gotten in to the HOF in the past.  Lots of players have gotten in that I wouldn't say have the resume to get in.

 

This has nothing to do with McNabb's struggles in the postseason with the Eagles.  Nothing personal.  But, McNabb's best seasons passing (2004 and 2008)... he was 8th and 7th respectively in passing yards those years.  His passer rating was also low in those years compared to his contemporaries.  McNabb didn't lead the NFL in a single passing category during his career.   (By comparison, Fouts led the NFL in passing yards 4 straight years, comp. pct one year, TDs twice, etc. )

Lots of guys get in now that never really deserved it in my mind.  If McNabb makes it, just add him to that list.  He never was that guy while he was playing to me... and he's not that guy as the years have gone on since then.  He might have been the best QB (for an extended period of time) with this organization.  But, that's more of a sad indictment on this franchise than it is a selling point for McNabb to get to the HoF.    Just my opinion.

35 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

 

Can’t believe Eagles shaved Siposs. That’s a personal decision 

22 minutes ago, Utebird said:

And the only country where hundreds of thousands died to continue slavery so...

I understand where you are coming from but the Union - which became The United States - is our current country   So no, hundreds of thousands of people in our country did not die to protect slavery.    

Kinda sucks seeing Dougie with another team. He was the scapegoat and now we have a puppet head coach. 

Just now, Ace Nova said:

I understand where you are coming from but the Union - which became The United States - is our current country   So no, hundreds of thousands of people in our country did not die to protect slavery.    

Touche!

One I forgot to include: Kempski and BLG have been raving about Jurgens. Kempski said he’s looked so good he thinks he could start at center week 1 in this league. Won’t obviously with Kelce here. And Kempski is someone who didn’t like the pick when they made it. Said he counted only one time he got beat in camp so far and it was a play where he was at guard and not center.

BLG thinks it’s curious that the Eagles shave barely had Hurts throw past his first read at all so far this training camp. That’s because the Eagles don’t plan on him going  past his first read much at all this season. He will likely be going through his reads a lot in preseason though from how it sounds like he will crap his pants before kickoff and miss the game. 

34 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

1950's to 1990. Internet esp social media etc killed this world. 

and cell phones...man, I look back to high school in the 90s and how free we were with no cell phones holding us hostage.  So glad I got to grow up and experience an unplugged life. 

12 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

BLG thinks it’s curious that the Eagles shave barely had Hurts throw past his first read at all so far this training camp. That’s because the Eagles don’t plan on him going  past his first read much at all this season. He will likely be going through his reads a lot in preseason though from how it sounds like he will crap his pants before kickoff and miss the game. 

Eagles finally find a WR in the 1st round at the expense of letting the Dallas Cowboys get Micah Parsons and they aren't even going to get him on a 2nd contract.  He's not going to want to be on a team where he gets 50 catches. 

17 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Eagles finally find a WR in the 1st round at the expense of letting the Dallas Cowboys get Micah Parsons and they aren't even going to get him on a 2nd contract.  He's not going to want to be on a team where he gets 50 catches. 

That's not how it works.

Welp 1st play of the pre season and already a horrible roughing the passer.