21 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

Whether one likes it or not, we are all stuck with Hurts thru at least have of this year.  If he really sheets the bed, doesn't improve at all, and we are 3-5 or something then we could see a change.  Otherwise, it is Hurts or bust this year and we can then spend the offseason chasing a QB.

Buckle up for the ride...

I don't see any scenario, beyond injury, where Hurts isn't the starter.  There's a far better shot at him being mediocre than plain, old bad and mediocre doesnt get him benched with Howie in the mix.  Like it or not, we are stuck with another season of him.  Hopefully, he surprises.

1 minute ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

I don't see any scenario, beyond injury, where Hurts isn't the starter.  There's a far better shot at him being mediocre than plain, old bad and mediocre doesnt get him benched with Howie in the mix.  Like it or not, we are stuck with another season of him.  Hopefully, he surprises.

That's more or less what I'm saying but I'm leaving the door open for "he sheets the bed and is downright bad, even digressing by trying to force things" and "the team looks like it could go somewhere and is still close enough halfway thru to take a run" type scenario.

5 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

That's more or less what I'm saying but I'm leaving the door open for "he sheets the bed and is downright bad, even digressing by trying to force things" and "the team looks like it could go somewhere and is still close enough halfway thru to take a run" type scenario.

I'm 100% with you on this idea. I'm just a little more skeptical that Howie will admit failure and bench his Russell Wilson dreams.  

56 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

Whether one likes it or not, we are all stuck with Hurts thru at least have of this year.  If he really sheets the bed, doesn't improve at all, and we are 3-5 or something then we could see a change.  Otherwise, it is Hurts or bust this year and we can then spend the offseason chasing a QB.

Buckle up for the ride...

I think everyone here understands that.

10 hours ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Stay safe @TorontoEagle

Covid from banging pangolins, monkey pox and AIDS from banging monkeys....guys just gotta stop putting their D's in animals (the non human kind). It's really screwing the rest of us

10 hours ago, downundermike said:

Please, tell us how it works then

Players take the money. DK Metcalf just took an extension from Seattle...who have the worst QB situation in the NFL. McLaurin extended with Wentz after a series of terrible QBs. Deebo has a complete unknown in Lance.

So no, Hurts' presence does not impact Smith's desire to stay.

3 minutes ago, RLC said:

Players take the money. DK Metcalf just took an extension from Seattle...who have the worst QB situation in the NFL. McLaurin extended with Wentz after a series of terrible QBs. Deebo has a complete unknown in Lance.

So no, Hurts' presence does not impact Smith's desire to stay.

Didn't Hollywood Brown want out of Baltimore?  Don't WRs have a propensity for distractions when they aren't happy (admittedly, Smith doesn't seem the diva type)?  Aren't the future earnings of WRs largely dependent on who their QB is?

That said, Brown's presence here might impact Smith's desire to stay more than Hurts.  Brown is paid as the number 1 WR, can a team afford to pay 2 WRs at that level?

3 minutes ago, RLC said:

Players take the money. DK Metcalf just took an extension from Seattle...who have the worst QB situation in the NFL. McLaurin extended with Wentz after a series of terrible QBs. Deebo has a complete unknown in Lance.

So no, Hurts' presence does not impact Smith's desire to stay.

Right but those 3 players just took the money before they played in their current situation. They are all established WRs with highly productive seasons under their belt which got them their contracts. Hurts absolutely could impact Smith's desire to stay if he is holding back Smith's production and therefore impacting his next contract. He could make far less money because he had Hurts as a QB during his rookie contract.

38 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Thanks for the out of the box insight.  
 

Right so then there isn’t much to get all worked up about at this stage. I think we will be 5-3 with no improvement in Hurts’ play. He will be good enough to get double digit wins and maybe even the division. That’s his ceiling.

Just now, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Ahh. Got it.  Makes sense. 
 

😂

Yeah, I don’t think you do. How’s your golf going?

I did chuckle at the HoF officiating. Call a ticky tacky roughing the passer call, miss out on obvious helmet to helmet contact.  Regular season form, right there.

15 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

Right so then there isn’t much to get all worked up about at this stage. I think we will be 5-3 with no improvement in Hurts’ play. He will be good enough to get double digit wins and maybe even the division. That’s his ceiling.

Sorry but there's plenty to be worked up about. We heard all off season that Hurts, the new James Brown, had been working so hard to improve his flaws. Even went to a QB guru, allegedly, to improve his throwing.

So far, he's still doing exactly the same BS he was doing last year. Continually rolling to his right, running in 7 v 7 drills (which is a complete waste of a play every time he does, and he's done it multiple times), the video we saw shows him still squatting down like an RB when he takes shot gun snaps, etc. 

So he's full of ish, for all the media and his own social media hyping. And, we can see how this is going to play out. Hurts career would be best served by being an actual RB. He won't do that though, so then his ceiling is as a back up QB. Yet, we're going to insist he starts. F him, bench him now and move on. I'd rather see what Sinnett or Strong can do. Minshew is a back up too, or I'd want him in there. Sinnett or Strong likely lead to a poor season, but it's better than going 9-8, 10-7 by beating up on the crappy teams, then going 1 and done in the playoffs again. It's insanity.

45 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Didn't Hollywood Brown want out of Baltimore?  Don't WRs have a propensity for distractions when they aren't happy (admittedly, Smith doesn't seem the diva type)?  Aren't the future earnings of WRs largely dependent on who their QB is?

That said, Brown's presence here might impact Smith's desire to stay more than Hurts.  Brown is paid as the number 1 WR, can a team afford to pay 2 WRs at that level?

They didn't want to extend Holllywood Brown, so he asked for a trade. The Ravens are looking smart in not doing that.

Also, what young player that the Eagles wanted to extend, end up not resigning here? We keep everyone we want to.

16 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Sorry but there's plenty to be worked up about. We heard all off season that Hurts, the new James Brown, had been working so hard to improve his flaws. Even went to a QB guru, allegedly, to improve his throwing.

So far, he's still doing exactly the same BS he was doing last year. Continually rolling to his right, running in 7 v 7 drills (which is a complete waste of a play every time he does, and he's done it multiple times), the video we saw shows him still squatting down like an RB when he takes shot gun snaps, etc. 

So he's full of ish, for all the media and his own social media hyping. And, we can see how this is going to play out. Hurts career would be best served by being an actual RB. He won't do that though, so then his ceiling is as a back up QB. Yet, we're going to insist he starts. F him, bench him now and move on. I'd rather see what Sinnett or Strong can do. Minshew is a back up too, or I'd want him in there. Sinnett or Strong likely lead to a poor season, but it's better than going 9-8, 10-7 by beating up on the crappy teams, then going 1 and done in the playoffs again. It's insanity.

We saw him for more than a year and could see his basic strengths and weaknesses.  The chances he was going to make a significant difference over the offseason were not great.  Yes, it was possible but unlikely.  Howie decided it was better to fix the rest of the roster this year and give Hurts that last shot.  He'll be after another QB next year.

Hurts will end up a career backup and sometime starter on a crappy team.  Hope I'm wrong but that's what it looks like.  He has an entire year now to prove that theory wrong.  He can't blame the team around him.

12 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Yeah. You’re right.  I don’t get it.  Please come in here more than once a month and educate us all on the same ish we’ve been discussing all along.  
 

 

 

Guys.  No need to discuss Hurts.  Because he’s the starter this year.  Never knew that until now.  

What did you just shoot 95 or something?

10 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

We saw him for more than a year and could see his basic strengths and weaknesses.  The chances he was going to make a significant difference over the offseason were not great.  Yes, it was possible but unlikely.  Howie decided it was better to fix the rest of the roster this year and give Hurts that last shot.  He'll be after another QB next year.

Hurts will end up a career backup and sometime starter on a crappy team.  Hope I'm wrong but that's what it looks like.  He has an entire year now to prove that theory wrong.  He can't blame the team around him.

Ah so I should just be happy that we're going to settle for mediocrity again this year and not discuss the BS we've been fed? Naw, I'll **** about it all day long until I'm blue in the face (or I have my afternoon herbal remedy, at least). F outta here 

Any Bloggers play softball? Our men's league usually ends in August, but this year they extended the season so the playoffs are mid September. More games, but we play Sunday nights which now will run into football watching time. Luckily the first playoff game is week 1, so I should be good to watch the Lions game, and week 2 is finals and the Eagles play the Monday nighter that week. I have a buddy who has Lions seasons tix and he wanted me to go to the game this year, but that ain't happening.

2 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Ah so I should just be happy that we're going to settle for mediocrity again this year and not discuss the BS we've been fed? Naw, I'll **** about it all day long until I'm blue in the face (or I have my afternoon herbal remedy, at least). F outta here 

Knock yourself out mate.  90% of people who pay attention knew the chance of Hurts being dramatically improved was low, say 20% or something.  Move on and hope for the best and then get your next QB after the season.  In the meantime, give him half the year and then call on Minshew if Hurts does indeed sheet the bed.

9 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

1000% facts

Maybe they can get this dream team to work the case.

 

10 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Ah so I should just be happy that we're going to settle for mediocrity again this year and not discuss the BS we've been fed? Naw, I'll **** about it all day long until I'm blue in the face (or I have my afternoon herbal remedy, at least). F outta here 

You need a joint to level out, Cheech.      

The Eagles will be one of those teams who will be described as "they're a QB away".  It happens -- the Bills had Tyrod Taylor starting for 3 years, saw he wasn't good enough for the roster that was being built, and drafted Josh Allen.  The Bucs ditched Winston for Brady, the Rams ditched Goff for Stafford.

Hurts and Tua are in similar positions this season; the main difference is the Dolphins have a 5th year option on Tua, so if he improves they could convince themselves to pick up his option and see what he brings in Year 4 (they won't be patient enough to do that, though).  The Eagles don't have that luxury; Hurts isn't going to show up next season without an extension so the decision will need to be made at the end of this season.  If the Eagles don't win 10+ games and/or the division and/or at least one playoff game -- there will be a change made at QB

I don't think the roster is quite good enough to contend this season, even with a QB in the 10-12 range. 

2 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Weak

Seriously, I was wondering how your game was going this year.  I'll take that to the golf thread.

16 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

The Eagles will be one of those teams who will be described as "they're a QB away".  It happens -- the Bills had Tyrod Taylor starting for 3 years, saw he wasn't good enough for the roster that was being built, and drafted Josh Allen.  The Bucs ditched Winston for Brady, the Rams ditched Goff for Stafford.

Hurts and Tua are in similar positions this season; the main difference is the Dolphins have a 5th year option on Tua, so if he improves they could convince themselves to pick up his option and see what he brings in Year 4 (they won't be patient enough to do that, though).  The Eagles don't have that luxury; Hurts isn't going to show up next season without an extension so the decision will need to be made at the end of this season.  If the Eagles don't win 10+ games and/or the division and/or at least one playoff game -- there will be a change made at QB 

I agree with this, except in bold. If Hurts is bad this year, he has no leverage. He wants to hold out? Sure. Moreover, if Hurts is bad/average this year, Howie will replace him anyway.

A lot of people think he's awful, so if that's true, we'll go 7-10 and he's a goner. 

6 minutes ago, RLC said:

I agree with this, except in bold. If Hurts is bad this year, he has no leverage. He wants to hold out? Sure. Moreover, if Hurts is bad/average this year, Howie will replace him anyway.

A lot of people think he's awful, so if that's true, we'll go 7-10 and he's a goner. 

They just had a 9-8 season with Hurts being an 18-22 range QB, because they beat the weak teams on their schedule.  The schedule is objectively easier this season; NFC North and AFC South are both weak divisions to cross over to.  The Eagles could actually go 10-7 with absolutely no improvement from Hurts.

The danger is the first half of the schedule being cream-puff easy.  Hurts goes 6-3, gets injured for an extended period, the Eagles finish 3-5 on the back half, and Nick/Howie are fooled into thinking Hurts going down made a difference.  It's not a huge worry, though -- either Hurts improves measurably or he doesn't.

The smart money right now is on "doesn't"  

1 hour ago, RLC said:

Players take the money. DK Metcalf just took an extension from Seattle...who have the worst QB situation in the NFL. McLaurin extended with Wentz after a series of terrible QBs. Deebo has a complete unknown in Lance.

So no, Hurts' presence does not impact Smith's desire to stay.

Actually, that is not how it works at all.

DK is coming off 3 seasons averaging 70 catches, 1000 yards and 10 TD's.  He cashed in before the QB situation impacted his numbers.

McLaurin is coming off 3 seasons averaging 74 catches, 1000 yards and 5 TD's.  He cashed in before the QB situation impacted his numbers.

Deebo is coming off a 1400 yard receiving season, almost 1800 total yards and 14 total TD's.  He cashed in before the QB situation impacted his numbers.

DeVonta is not eligible for an extension for 2 more years, is coming off a 64, 916, 5 TD season, and has now moved down the depth chart.  The 1 read QB who can not distribute to multiple targets will impact his numbers, and his ability to cash in.  

Unless Hurts significantly improves as a distributor of the football, DeVonta will move on to somewhere he can see the ball so he can see the $$.

1 minute ago, Bacarty2 said:

1) I'd throw Wentz/McLaurin out of the conversation. 

2) Deebo is the 9ers offense. Being promised 130 touches regardless of the QB

3) DK is in the same boat as Smith, and just because DK got paid doesnt mean he wants to stay, It means if he has to play with trash he wants to be compensated for doing so. 

Yes, a QB who cant throw, who now has a run first designed offense built around him will negatively effect a WR who his now WR2 and the... 4th or 5th option. 

DK may also see the writing on the wall, that Seattle will be hot garbage this year, but likely in the running for one of the top QBs in the draft. So short term pain for long term gain (and getting paid nicely too).