7 minutes ago, greend said:

Nah, I'm not going to elaborate on "trajectory" in the way that you are asking you're smart enough to figure that out for yourself. I'll be happy for our one super bowl win that took my lifetime to accomplish. The Superbowl winning coach is gone and most of the players that made that happen for us, the cap is screwed up, we don't have a quarterback, or a defense to speak of.  Yes the super bowl was great , I don't have 50 more years to wait for another.

These teams all sucked and then won the SB within 10 years:

2012 Eagles
2015 Rams
2018 Bucs
2010 Broncos
2009 Seahawks

You're right, I am smart enough.

2 hours ago, downundermike said:

 

OMG  Aqib Talib is the worst.  I am sure the NFL Execs realize this and he will never get a lead announcer gig.

Yea, well I know the REAL reason you don't like him

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Yea, well I know the REAL reason you don't like him

Gotta win that bracket.

2 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

These teams all sucked and then won the SB within 10 years:

2012 Eagles
2015 Rams
2018 Bucs
2010 Broncos
2009 Seahawks

You're right, I am smart enough.

Nick Foles

Matt Stafford

Tom Brady

Peyton Manning

Russel Wilson

 

Do you see the thing we don't have yet ????

Just now, downundermike said:

Nick Foles

Matt Stafford

Tom Brady

Peyton Manning

Russel Wilson

 

Do you see the thing we don't have yet ????

Hey!  We were arguing about Howie and the FO.

Stop trying to make everything an argument about Hurts.

34 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

At this point it can be argued if Davis, Dean, or Jurgens bust then that responsibility lays with how they are/are not coached, rather than the process the FO used to select them.

That's not true at all.  You don't just get to say they were good picks regardless of how they perform on the field. If they don't play well they were bad picks.  'Process' is usually a word used for failed GMs to try to excuse their lack of success

8 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

Please elaborate on "trajectory".  

What trajectory was evident during the 2017 offseason?  What about the trajectory during Andy's tenure?

Yup.  Went from a 7-9 team with a rookie QB in the 2016 season to a Super Bowl champion the following season.

Objectively if you look at this generation, say a 20-year stretch from 2000 - 2020 the Eagles are (by any objective view) a top 8-10 franchise in the NFL.  Patriots, Steelers, Giants, Rams, Ravens, Bucs all have more than one Super Bowl win (that's 6).  The Eagles are probably in that next group with the Packers, Chiefs, Saints, Broncos, Seahawks, and Colts.  If I were to dig sown further I'd say without hesitation the Eagles are a better run franchise than the Giants or Colts

 

Just now, pgcd3 said:

That's not true at all.  You don't just get to say they were good picks regardless of how they perform on the field. If they don't play well they were bad picks.  'Process' is usually a word used for failed GMs to try to excuse their lack of success

Not really.  Given the information that seemed to be available at the time, the FO made good choices.  You can justifiably evaluate the FOs performance during the draft.

That said, should there be information that comes out later that was missed during the scouting process, then you can adjust your opinion of the draft process prior to draft day.

And three years down the road, when you look at actual performance, then you can factor in coaching, opportunity, health, attituded, etc.

 

Can’t believe it’s been that long. Maclin was always an underrated player for this team. Always enjoyed watching him play. 
 

 

7 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

That's not true at all.  You don't just get to say they were good picks regardless of how they perform on the field. If they don't play well they were bad picks.  'Process' is usually a word used for failed GMs to try to excuse their lack of success

Were they overdrafted?  I would argue Jurgens was probably drafted ahead of where he could have/should have gone, but Davis was drafted right where he was slotted and Dean is viewed unanimously as a "steal" where the Eagles drafted him.  You can't just make the FO 100% accountable for bad coaching and development of players.

The Browns drafted terribly for almost 20 years, but I might argue that was an illustration of poor coaching and player development more than poor talent evaluation.

Something I thought about today. The two big name WRs the Eagles were heavily involved in via trade this offseason were AJ Brown and Calvin Ridley. The price for Ridley was rumored to be a 2nd rounder or a 3rd.

Hypothetically, had Calvin Ridley not been suspended, what would you rather have Ridley for a 2nd or Brown for a 1st and a 3rd.

whoa

5 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Were they overdrafted?  I would argue Jurgens was probably drafted ahead of where he could have/should have gone, but Davis was drafted right where he was slotted and Dean is viewed unanimously as a "steal" where the Eagles drafted him.  You can't just make the FO 100% accountable for bad coaching and development of players.

The Browns drafted terribly for almost 20 years, but I might argue that was an illustration of poor coaching and player development more than poor talent evaluation.

Team culture and a ‚strong locker room’ are overused but I would argue there is still some truth there. If a team thinks it‘s bad and has lost many years it‘s hard to break that mentality. On the other hand a winning team with confident veterans has a better chance to integrate players even if they are.. difficult.

Not saying it’s the most important thing but it does play a role in this too.

3 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Something I thought about today. The two big name WRs the Eagles were heavily involved in via trade this offseason were AJ Brown and Calvin Ridley. The price for Ridley was rumored to be a 2nd rounder or a 3rd.

Hypothetically, had Calvin Ridley not been suspended, what would you rather have Ridley for a 2nd or Brown for a 1st and a 3rd.

Brown, no doubt. We probably lucked out there.

They paid Brady more than Buck and Aikman combined, that's nuts. What if he sucks as an analyst?

They should've just retained their elite broadcast team.

AJ Brown + Jurgens > Calvin Ridley + McDufee + 3rd rounder.

In two years we went from one of the oldest to one of the younger teams in the league (30 and over, Lane, Kelce, Cox, Graham, Slay, Harris).

We also have an extra 1st and 2nd rd pick the next two seasons.

And we're clearing out the dead money with no major salary hits until 2024 and 2025.

55 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

I think it's a positive for the running backs. 

- Hurts cant throw so you're gonna run the ball more. 

- Hurts cant read a defense so you're going to get more dump offs. 

- Hurts is a threat to run, opens up more holes

If Sanders stayed healthy he would of been top 10 in attempts.

Side note, It was called a hot take that I thought Sanders would get Hurt...

Opposite of how football works. If hurts was an accurate distributer of the ball this occurs, but since it's the opposite situation, he actually puts up far more pressure on the oline and running backs because that line will get overloaded until he proves he can beat them consistently. If he was playing with the makeshift lines of 18-19, he would of been the actual worst player on the field. Him unable to distribute the ball accurately deep also shuts down the screens, short swings and quick out and in routes (even though he doesn't try this route anyway) meaning he needed explosive plays to survive. This is why we lost to all the playoff teams. 

19 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

Can’t believe it’s been that long. Maclin was always an underrated player for this team. Always enjoyed watching him play. 
 

 

Look at that first throw by Nick, 64 yards right on the money.

17 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

Not really.  Given the information that seemed to be available at the time, the FO made good choices.  You can justifiably evaluate the FOs performance during the draft.

That said, should there be information that comes out later that was missed during the scouting process, then you can adjust your opinion of the draft process prior to draft day.

And three years down the road, when you look at actual performance, then you can factor in coaching, opportunity, health, attituded, etc.

 

Did they? Was trading up with 3 picks to take Davis over Hamilton a good choice? Was taking a center in the second round a good choice? Was taking Dean who a lot of teams passed on a good choice? Obviously most Eagles fans have convinced themselves they all were. But it's premature to really say either way

44 minutes ago, The Blackfish said:

 Depends how far back you go, since the SB they are 31-33-1, while having the worst team in the NFL (Giants) in their division and a bottom 6 team (Washington).   
The Browns in that time are 32-32-1. 
 You could say the anomaly is the 4-11-1 season for the Eagles, but these past few years since the SB have been one of the worst stretches of football in Giant’s history.  No matter how you look at it, since the 2018, the Eagles have been mediocre at best. 

When evaluating the "success level" of an NFL franchise, most serious analysts will go back 20+ years.  Not 3-4 years.  

 

14 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Something I thought about today. The two big name WRs the Eagles were heavily involved in via trade this offseason were AJ Brown and Calvin Ridley. The price for Ridley was rumored to be a 2nd rounder or a 3rd.

Hypothetically, had Calvin Ridley not been suspended, what would you rather have Ridley for a 2nd or Brown for a 1st and a 3rd.

For me it's Brown.  The Eagles needed a bigger WR who can also block and generate YAC.

1 hour ago, downundermike said:

The 14 of 16 players from the 2016-17 drafts not on the roster, Andre Dillard, JJAWful, Reagor, using a 1st round pick on a WR in three consecutive drafts, cap limitations and consecutive years leading the league in dead cap agree with this statement.

Expect a visit from the fact police.

10 minutes ago, D-Shiznit said:

AJ Brown + Jurgens > Calvin Ridley + McDufee + 3rd rounder.

McDuffie would've ruined my night. I'll take it as is. Though if they were smart, they could've traded back at 18 to the mid/late 20's and gone with the defensive minded theme and really loaded up there.  

24 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Were they overdrafted?  I would argue Jurgens was probably drafted ahead of where he could have/should have gone, but Davis was drafted right where he was slotted and Dean is viewed unanimously as a "steal" where the Eagles drafted him.  You can't just make the FO 100% accountable for bad coaching and development of players.

The Browns drafted terribly for almost 20 years, but I might argue that was an illustration of poor coaching and player development more than poor talent evaluation.

I don't think you can say it's a good draft because Mel Kiper had the guy ranked higher than where he got picked. Was Barnett a good pick? It comes down to how they perform.  The rest is just comparing it to media expectations.