2 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Again with the Josh Allen BS.  What is it with you people?  

Because his argument is 4000 yards isn't good enough, while ignoring everything else. Aaron Rodgers threw for 4115 yards, 10th in passing yards, yet somehow Hurts has to throw more than that in order to be considered worthy. 

31 minutes ago, austinfan said:

4700 total yards is not unreasonable. Figure he runs for 700, passes for 4000.

4000 for 16 games (assuming he misses one), is 250 yards per game passing, and say 150 yards per game rushing.

Those are reasonable goals given the talent on this offense.

4,000 yards passing would be a top 10 offense from a pasing perspective. The is a top 5 to 10 type unit from a talent perspective at every position but QB.  Hurts doesn't have to carry the burden of getting to that mark but he does need to significantly improve his efficiency from last season.  I think a higher rushing total is more likely than a 4,000 yard season but I don't think the number is ridiculous.  I don't think hitting that mark means they should sign him to some big extension or not move on from him.  

2 minutes ago, MF POON said:

No, you need to check 2021's stats

2021 NFL passing stats - Players | NFL.com

The exact same stats that I posted, I just re sorted by yards per game, which NFL.com does not provide the option.

You are looking at total yards, but not everyone played 17 games.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2021/passing.htm

https://www.nfl.com/stats/player-stats/category/passing/2021/pre/all/passingyards/DESC

Put these side by side, exact same stats, but pro football reference shows games played and give you the passing yards per game.

Watson is still playing vs Saints, so good news.

Only one QB in the history of this franchise has thrown for 4k yards and that was only once.  If Hurts improves his passing yards from 3,144 to 4k then that represents a significant step forward and one of the best seasons this franchise has had from a QB. 

4 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

4,000 yards passing would be a top 10 offense from a pasing perspective.

Nope.  Last year, that would be 13th.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/stats/team/_/view/offense/stat/passing/table/passing/sort/netPassingYards/dir/desc

29 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

His first game back is vs Houston lmao

No surprise.

Just now, MF POON said:

Because his argument is 4000 yards isn't good enough, while ignoring everything else. Aaron Rodgers threw for 4115 yards, 10th in passing yards, yet somehow Hurts has to throw more than that in order to be considered worthy. 

Do you think Hurts looks like Aaron Rodgers as a passer? If he looks like Aaron Rodgers as a passer, then I don't care about stats.  

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Man, I was just about to drop my Ron DeSantis scouting report too

Height is a problem for him.

You folks may be using an incorrect assumption that Hurts plays all 17 games this season.  A running QB is at risk for lower body injuries, as well as the type of shot Hurts took out of bounds against the Jets.

We should probably pencil him in at 15 games 

Just now, Alphagrand said:

You folks may be using an incorrect assumption that Hurts plays all 17 games this season.  A running QB is at risk for lower body injuries, as well as the type of shot Hurts took out of bounds against the Jets.

We should probably pencil him in at 15 games 

15 is generous honestly. I don't think he survives to the bye. 

3 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

Only one QB in the history of this franchise has thrown for 4k yards and that was only once.  If Hurts improves his passing yards from 3,144 to 4k then that represents a significant step forward and one of the best seasons this franchise has had from a QB. 

I love this cop out.  Because only 1 Eagles QB has done it, people treat it like some massive milestone that is so hard to achieve.

10 guys did it last year, and 2 threw for 5000.

Josh Allen has done it twice in 4 years.

Herbert has done it both seasons in the NFL, and has thrown for 5000.

You only need to add up the top 10 QB's in 4000 yard seasons to get to 100 times that it has been done.

I mean, Matt Schaub has thrown for 4000 yards 3 times.

https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/most-4000-yard-seasons-quarterback

47 minutes ago, austinfan said:

4700 total yards is not unreasonable. Figure he runs for 700, passes for 4000.

4000 for 16 games (assuming he misses one), is 250 yards per game passing, and say 150 yards per game rushing.

Those are reasonable goals given the talent on this offense.

Hurts would need almost 550 attempts to hit 4000 passing yards. He's played in 30 games and still only has 4200 career passing yards. He would need to tack on 7 additional passing attempts a game plus maintain the same rushing output. This would require more on Hurts's plate and we saw the opposite happen in the 2nd half of the season when they simplified the offense for him.

11 minutes ago, MF POON said:

Because his argument is 4000 yards isn't good enough, while ignoring everything else. Aaron Rodgers threw for 4115 yards, 10th in passing yards, yet somehow Hurts has to throw more than that in order to be considered worthy. 

Rodgers also had a 69% completion percentage and 100 more attempts than Hurts. Hurts with a career 58.9% completion rate, and you want him to throw more?

Are the Browns allowed to duct tape his mouth shut per the CBA?

Just now, downundermike said:

I love this cop out.  Because only 1 Eagles QB has done it, people treat it like some massive milestone that is so hard to achieve.

10 guys did it last year, and 2 threw for 5000.

Josh Allen has done it twice in 4 years.

Herbert has done it both seasons in the NFL, and has thrown for 5000.

You only need to add up the top 10 QB's in 4000 yard seasons to get to 100 times that it has been done.

I mean, Matt Schaub has thrown for 4000 yards 3 times.

https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/most-4000-yard-seasons-quarterback

Plus, Donovan easily does it in 04 had he not been sat after the opening drive in the 2nd to last game, and in 2009 had he not missed two games with an injury. 

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Just now, LeanMeanGM said:

Are the Browns allowed to duct tape his mouth shut per the CBA?

I don’t believe there’s a rule against it. 
 

They should just do it and worry about what happens later. Better to ask forgiveness than permission. 

13 minutes ago, Utebird said:

This is Interesting for sure.

Last time I asked I mentioned looked like Gannon played a bit of what I said was a 2 -4 two down lineman with 2 ILB and 2 OLB/edge players.

4-2 to me would just be a normal 4 man front with two LBs behind it and a nickel corner or safety.

But if both those DEs are standing I guess it's a bit different?

Anyway I'm guessing the personnel In a 4-2 or 2-4 would be Davis / Hargrave/Cox at the two DT with Sweat and Riddick at stand up DE or OLB/edge then Edwards White at ILB.

An Interesting piece to the Defense I think will be graham, he's played DE In a 43 and OLB in a 34 plus lined up at DT in Nickel 43.

Seems Gannon if he wants to will be Able to move him all over through different packages.

I could see graham having a really good season even at 34.

 

4-2 with three DL with hand in dirt. 3-3, if you prefer.

2-4 with only DTs down, which is what you commented on.

I called them both 4-2 because they start with four guys on the LOS. In the second screenshot, you can see a LB walking out to the edge. Extra light front. The reason? Third-and-6. Passing down. So really a 4-1 or, if you prefer, a 2-3.

BTW, Baltimore plays a ton of this, not surprising that Michigan did too, since their DC came from Baltimore.

 

6 minutes ago, EagleJoe8 said:

Plus, Donovan easily does it in 04 had he not been sat after the opening drive in the 2nd to last game, and in 2009 had he not missed two games with an injury. 

16 game season, you need to pass for 250 yards per game to get to 4000.

McNabb passed for more than 250 yards per game 5 times.

Why did he never have a 4000 yard season, QB's who run to much miss games.

14 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Nope.  Last year, that would be 13th.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/stats/team/_/view/offense/stat/passing/table/passing/sort/netPassingYards/dir/desc

That's team total passing, not individual QB passing. Those stats account for anyone that threw a pass lol. 

33 minutes ago, Utebird said:

This is Interesting for sure.

Last time I asked I mentioned looked like Gannon played a bit of what I said was a 2 -4 two down lineman with 2 ILB and 2 OLB/edge players.

4-2 to me would just be a normal 4 man front with two LBs behind it and a nickel corner or safety.

But if both those DEs are standing I guess it's a bit different?

Anyway I'm guessing the personnel In a 4-2 or 2-4 would be Davis / Hargrave/Cox at the two DT with Sweat and Riddick at stand up DE or OLB/edge then Edwards White at ILB.

An Interesting piece to the Defense I think will be graham, he's played DE In a 43 and OLB in a 34 plus lined up at DT in Nickel 43.

Seems Gannon if he wants to will be Able to move him all over through different packages.

I could see graham having a really good season even at 34.

 

Gannon now has the personnel to implement whatever he feels appropriate to the down and distance . Hope he is as creative as his resume suggests.

Time to stop the run in its tracks and get after the QB.  

Davis and Fletch should eat up the middle, look out for Riddick, spankin new LB corps should be able to flow or drop out to cover, Secondary has some players now, excited for the prospects of an aggressive D, not reactive.

8 minutes ago, MF POON said:

That's team total passing, not individual QB passing. Those stats account for anyone that threw a pass lol. 

nciggles was talking about the team offense in this posted, not an individual.

29 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

4,000 yards passing would be a top 10 offense from a pasing perspective. The is a top 5 to 10 type unit from a talent perspective at every position but QB.  Hurts doesn't have to carry the burden of getting to that mark but he does need to significantly improve his efficiency from last season.  I think a higher rushing total is more likely than a 4,000 yard season but I don't think the number is ridiculous.  I don't think hitting that mark means they should sign him to some big extension or not move on from him.  

 

20 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

15 is generous honestly. I don't think he survives to the bye. 

 

Makes sense, he played 15 last year (would have been 16 of they didn't already lock up a playoff spot before the final week).  So 15 would obviously be too generous of course. 

Just now, downundermike said:

nciggles was talking about the team offense in this posted, not an individual.

 

While also highlighting his hypothetical individual passing yards. 

8 minutes ago, justrelax said:

4-2 with three DL with hand in dirt. 3-3, if you prefer.

2-4 with only DTs down, which is what you commented on.

I called them both 4-2 because they start with four guys on the LOS. In the second screenshot, you can see a LB walking out to the edge. Extra light front. The reason? Third-and-6. Passing down. So really a 4-1 or, if you prefer, a 2-3.

BTW, Baltimore plays a ton of this, not surprising that Michigan did too, since their DC came from Baltimore.

 

I like both the above fronts and an excited to see how Gannon employs his personnel in them.

Not sure how familiar you are with Bronco mendenhal, he used to be coach at BYU now at Virginia.

He ran almost exclusively 3-3-5 and had some pretty good defenses nationally even though BYU doesn't have a lot of blue chip talent and I always thought it was a good defense to play against a lot of spread read option stuff like the NFL plays now 

Didn't see much 3-3-5 against the jets and not sure it's something Gannon runs much or at all but I think they have the personnel if they did.

Either way like I said I'm excited to see some new fronts from this D, especially after watching Schwartz vanilla blah scheme where every snap he rushed 4 from the same spot and dropped 7 into the same spot, be nice to have a D coordinator that will mix it up a bit and I think this year he had the personnel unlike last year to do so.

1 hour ago, austinfan said:

4700 total yards is not unreasonable. Figure he runs for 700, passes for 4000.

4000 for 16 games (assuming he misses one), is 250 yards per game passing, and say 150 yards per game rushing.

Those are reasonable goals given the talent on this offense.

Hurts averaged 209 yards passing per game last year.  You think he's just going to start throwing for 40 yards more per game?