16 minutes ago, Shalodeep said:

Jones and possibly Lawrence with a real coach and this roster. Mills is someone I am keeping an eye on this year. His numbers were pretty good when he figured it out mid season 

I agree that Jones and Lawrence are the names that pop up to mind first.  I would say "possibly Jones" and "less likely Lawrence"  We will see how Lawrence and Doug gel.  I expect Jones to take a step backward this season, but my hate for Belichick is probably at work in that expectation.

41 minutes ago, mattwill said:

That is a different standard of judgment than being a pocket passer.  Is Patrick Mahomes a pocket passer?  Russell Wilson? Doug Williams?  Steve Young?  Roger Staubach?  Fran Tarkenton?

I have no problems with the criticisms of the specifics of Hurts’ individual performance.  Where I differ from you and others is the rush to judgment.  Further, I found the Eagles of 2021 very entertaining … one of the most entertaining teams in the NFL.  I also believe they exceeded expectations in their performance as a team despite falling below expectations on Defense.  Their very entertaining Offense was the reason for that.  So, I am not in any rush to make a judgment on Hurts and I actually expect the team to be even more entertaining in 2022 than they were in 2021.

Entertaining and successful are not the same thing

a title is success. 

I submit that the Eagles do not win LII with Hurts at QB.

1 minute ago, mattwill said:

I agree that Jones and Lawrence are the names that pop up to mind first.  I would say "possibly Jones" and "less likely Lawrence"  We will see how Lawrence and Doug gel.  I expect Jones to take a step backward this season, but my hate for Belichick is probably at work in that expectation.

God I hate belicheck

5 minutes ago, mattwill said:

That is a granular approach, and I respect it.  I prefer to look at QB play from a more holistic perspective.

That is also only a partial approach ... only focusing on passing.  My biases ... and I recognize tham as biases ... is to look at all the facets of a player's performance, not just a partial sample.

Not sure if you are aware, but when you add all of Jalen hurts rushing numbers to his passing numbers, he is still only average against other quarterbacks using only their passing numbers

5 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Uh, say what? Cunningham was coming on once they got him a QB coach (who literally died on him), but he also played behind a god awful offensive line.

1990:  583%, 7.5 ypa, 30 TD - 13 Int  Rating 91.6.

The falloff to McMahon in 1991 when he got injured was dramatic.

Not because of how 12 threw

Different players progress at different rates, the question is how fast do they climb the learning curve and at one point do they flatline.

Check back in January and we'll be closer to an answer for both those questions regarding Hurts.

Until then, whining that he's not a finished product has become a tad bit redundant.

He has a strong enough arm to be a top ten QB if he improves his mechanics and decision making - which often takes a few seasons - took Eli 6 seasons, for example.

12 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Yeah they're big goofy dogs great with kids too, sucks about his heart, boxers are prone to that unfortunately.

I'm glad he was such a great guy for the 8 years  you were with him, 8 years seems so short,I wish dogs lived as long as parrots 

Again condolences it's never easy losing a pet.☹️

I actually only had him for 4.  Got him through a rescue.  He bounced around from owners/fosters.  4 years with him was great, wish it was 8!

6 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

I submit that the Eagles do not win LII with Hurts at QB.

I could have made a lot of money betting against "the Eagles will never win a SB with Foles" before it happened.

31 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

17 and 72. He had two bad games. But your assertion was that the league figured him out late in the season. If that was true, why did he get better? The 17 was against the giants, and three weeks later he was over 100. Did they forget they figured him out? 

Hurts’s season passer rating was 87.2, which ranks him 22nd overall. He had a completion percentage of 59% against the giants the 2nd time, that’s not really something I would attribute to "getting better”. Over his last 11 regular season games , he threw for more than 200 yards only 3 times.

It’s safe to say he was a less effective passer as the season went on.

Just now, bpac55 said:

I actually only had him for 4.  Got him through a rescue.  He bounced around from owners/fosters.  4 years with him was great, wish it was 8!

That's a problem with older adoptees, we adopted a 10 year old Shepard/Corgi? mix, had four great years with him before we lost him early this year.

But as much as I miss him, I wouldn't have chosen not to have those 4 years. A really sweet dog.

So my condolences, they know how to "steal a piece of your heart."

OK Twitter.  It's week 0 of College football, the last weekend of pre-season games and Bryce Harper is back.

Why in the world is this locked in my trending?  I can't get rid of it.  I HATE how Twitter dictates what we have to see all day long.  I don't care that this man dresses like his daughter and paints his nails to match hers.  Someone please tell me how social media isn't trying to control culture and what we see.

This dad supports his daughter at Harry Styles' Love On Tour concerts by wearing matching outfits with her!

This dad and daughter wore matching outfits to Harry Styles' #LoveOnTour #HSLOT concerts in Toronto. They spoke to TODAY about putting their outfits together, matching their energy, and more! And yes, feather boas and tight pants are involved.

 

33 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

That strong arm you're talking about is skill. 

I could be wrong, but I think of strong arm as talent.  For me, accurate arm is skill.

5 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

Not because of how 12 threw

Actually it was, Kotite had his flaws, but he was a good OC, and away from Ryan they were starting to turn Cunningham into a real QB before he got injured.

Same way you wonder what Reid could have done with Vick if he had him at 25.

2 minutes ago, wussbasket said:

Hurts’s season passer rating was 87.2, which ranks him 22nd overall. He had a completion percentage of 59% against the giants the 2nd time, that’s not really something I would attribute to "getting better”. Over his last 11 regular season games , he threw for more than 200 yards only 3 times.

safe to say he was a less effective passer as the season went on.

Also safe to say he was a more effective quarterback as the season went on.

5 minutes ago, austinfan said:

I could have made a lot of money betting against "the Eagles will never win a SB with Foles" before it happened.

Yeah, so?

19 minutes ago, mattwill said:

I saw vision, arm talent and anticipation as being subcomponents of the higher level category pocket passer.  That wasn't to discount them.  I just saw them as being at a different level.  The myriad criticisms I have read here in the Blog over the past nine months have really focused on the fact that the posters want a pocket passer because they see that as matching the way today's NFL plays the game.  Tied with that pocket passer issue has been the complaint that he isn't a Super Bowl winning QB. I respect those criteria for success.  I just don't subscribe to them.  My criteria of success is much simpler and it renews once every week (rather than once every year as the SB winning success criteria does) ... I want to be entertained by what I am watching ... and I admit to having a bias ... I watched Jimmy Brown play in person and many, many times on TV.  Similarly I watched Walter Payton and Barry Sanders and Emmitt Smith and Brian Westbrook and Earl Campbell and Fran Tarkenton and Randall Cunningham and Steve Young and so many others ply their trade. They and the Offensive Linemen doing the hard work in front of them were like watching ballet.  I don't get the same level of enjoyment from a highlight pass play as I get from a highlight running play.  I get shivvers thinking about Shady running through the snow, or Westbrook running back the punt against the Giants.  I don't remember pass plays with that same vividness.  I realize that is my bias ... and I consider winning the Super Bowl as gravy, not the main course.

I think they want a passer, not a runner.  Hurts is a runner.  When he pulls the ball down to escape the pocket, his eyes usually come off the patterns and he just looks to find a lane to run, not to throw more often than he should.   But, at least for me, I do NOT ever want an offense that is predicated on the idea that the QB running the football is a design element of the offense.  The QB having the ability to escape pressure and make a little something on a broken play is a plus.   The QB being a featured runner in the game plan is a flawed offense in the NFL, if you ask me.   And I've seen nothing that would indicate that that will change moving forward.   But vision is about much more than just what the QB sees from the pocket... especially one that breaks the pocket as frequently as Hurts does.  

 

But, if you want shivers... the throw to Alshon in the end zone in SBLII, the throw to Clement at the back of the end zone, the throw to Zach Ertz for the go-ahead (and ultimately, winning TD)... those are shiver throws.  I consider the Super Bowl as the goal for every franchise.  I want more than 17 weeks of meaningful football for my team every year.  I'm selfish like that.  I watch all the playoff games every year, but not with the same fervor or interest.  I too want to be entertained.  I want to be entertained by my team into January, and hopefully, into February as well.  A 6 win season is never as entertaining as a playoff run.  A 9 win season with a first round bow-out, or an embarrassment at the end, as we experienced this past year leaves a bad taste in my mouth for the entire offseason.  Had this team been at least competitive in that final game, it would have been more palatable and helped me get excited for this upcoming season.

10 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Not sure if you are aware, but when you add all of Jalen hurts rushing numbers to his passing numbers, he is still only average against other quarterbacks using only their passing numbers

You continue to focus only on passing.  That is your prerogative.

Note: I'm not trying to change your mind or convince you of anything.  I'm comfortable with my criteria just as you are comfortable with yours.

17 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

I submit that the Eagles do not win LII with Hurts at QB.

They also lose with Rodgers. Wow, that was fun.

5 minutes ago, mattwill said:

You continue to focus only on passing.  That is your prerogative.

Note: I'm not trying to change your mind or convince you of anything.  I'm comfortable with my criteria just as you are comfortable with yours.

Well, that is what QB's are supposed to do.

My last post stated if you include his rushing, he is still average.

What other criteria would you like to include, QB's do two things, pass, and sometime run.

11 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

But, at least for me, I do NOT ever want an offense that is predicated on the idea that the QB running the football is a design element of the offense. 

I understand and respect that perspective of yours.  It just isn't a perspective that I share.  Let's see how 2022 plays out.  I realize that there is a real possibility that I may join you in your perspective by the end of the season.

9 minutes ago, mattwill said:

Also safe to say he was a more effective quarterback as the season went on.

If by more effective QB you mean better at handing the ball off and significantly reducing his passing attempts, then sure. 

Just now, downundermike said:

Well, that is what QB's are supposed to do.

My last post stated if you include his rushing, he is still average.

What other criteria would you like to include, QB's do two things, pass, and sometime run.

They do a dozen different things.  You need to come out from behind the pillar that is preventing you from enjoying the WHOLE game.

15 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Uh, say what? Cunningham was coming on once they got him a QB coach (who literally died on him), but he also played behind a god awful offensive line.

1990:  583%, 7.5 ypa, 30 TD - 13 Int  Rating 91.6.

The falloff to McMahon in 1991 when he got injured was dramatic.

The falloff from McMahon in 1991 when he got injured is what kept them from being a legit contender that year.  Even with that Qb carousel, they still just barely missed the playoffs due to how great that defense was.  I have no doubt that the Eagles in 1991 with McMahon healthy had every bit as good a shot at winning it all that year as they would have had with Cunningham.  Very different styles, but I think McMahon's experience with the '85 Bears would have helped him realize that he didn't have to be 'superman' or anything close to win games.  Cunningham always had a bit of a 'do it myself' type of air to his game... largely due to the coaching (or lack of coaching) he received.  But, that style can also lead to turnovers.  

Incidentally, the Eagles were 8-2 in games that McMahon finished that year.

3 minutes ago, SkippyX said:

They also lose with Rodgers. Wow, that was fun.

How long did it take you to construct this argument?