Just now, EagleJoe8 said:

That will only prove true if his decisions lead to consistent deep playoff runs. The fact remains, outside of one anomaly season, which was the best thing ever, Howie led teams do not have a history of postseason success. One very lucky win the year after, but nothing since, and nothing prior to the Super Bowl.

Earning 7th seeds with a quick blowout Wild Card exit won't cut it anymore.

Wouldn't cut it before either.  

Just now, Iggles_Phan said:

Wouldn't cut it before either.  

Exactly.

38 minutes ago, Freshmilk said:

Sixers are past that.  Cap situation is such that whether they max Harden out or not they don't have $$ to improve the bench.  Only way to clear up any $$$ is to trade Tobi or Embiid.

Damned if you do damned if you don't 

 

Just now, Iggles_Phan said:

Sure.  If the HC stayed as well, how would we feel about him?  

 

It's been a "great" decision already?  Nah.  The jury remains out if it's a 'great' decision.     Hard to go anywhere but up after bottoming out at 4 wins.  Possible?  Absolutely.  We'll see in 3 years if it was a 'great' decision.  That's when we'll have the data to make that determination, and we'll see if Howie can sustain it.  The issue isn't getting off the bottom of the pile in the NFL... it's about getting up and staying in the top tier.  This team isn't even in the top tier yet.  

We have no evidence to suggest the 2021 Eagles under Doug wouldn't have been an injury-plagued mess of a season. The injuries were ridiculous for 4 years(!), even the Super Bowl season. We'd be whining about the Dickerson pick and Lane's contract, asking how we could rely on a 34 year old center, and wondering how Devonta Smith will look in year 2 after struggling with nagging injuries all year.

How could you call the last 2 offseasons anything worse than good? Of course we can't judge with as much certainty as we will in 3 years, but don't pick at "great" just so you can vent about how much you dislike Howie.

They needed stud young talent and have gone out and acquired those guys and assets to get more. They've given themselves flexibility to pounce on an opportunity at QB. Sure, there are more moves to make before entering a new Super Bowl window, but that's not even the argument. The moves he's made since the 2021 offseason would be more celebrated if any new GM made them; Lurie was right to keep him.

12 hours ago, downundermike said:

So what do you guys think will be the new Hurtscuses this year ??  Let me begin.

1.  This is the first time he has played in the same system two years in a row.

I have updated the list to inclued all responses and added my own:

 

So what do you guys think will be the new Hurtscuses this year ??  Let me begin.

1.  This is the first time he has played in the same system two years in a row.

2. Let him play a full 17 game season

3. This was basically just an extension of his rookie season. He needs more time to develop!

4. The fans put too much pressure on him 

5. Ankle surgery is a year to recover, may not be 100% till 2023. 

6. Hurts was born on a Leap Year. Be patient.

7. He’s only 24

8. That's only 3 1/2 years in dog years. He's practically a baby.

9. This was his first regular offseason 

10. Dr. Strange made everyone forget about jalen hurts so he has to build up his rep and swag again for everyone to see

11.They're asking him to throw more and he's working on his progressions. Sometimes it takes a season or two.

12.The additional open receiver is confusing him.

13.Our WR's are too fast,  it's their fault they have to stop and wait for the ball.  

 

 

6 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

I have updated the list to inclued all responses and added my own:

8. That's only 3 1/2 years in dog years. He's practically a baby.

 

Thanks, I missed this one.  Spreadsheet updated.

49 minutes ago, UndyTaker said:

But playoff Harden is not an unknown and we know his style of play does not work. Again its who he is as a player. If Harden is your starting PG he will never be your 4th scoring option because of how long the ball is in his hands. He isnt suddenly going to start playing like Mario Chalmers from the 2012 Miami Heat squad and passing it as soon as he crosses half court. Besides I dont think you want your 4th scoring option to be someone who is 32% from 3 and 47% from 2. The only thing Harden is good at now is facilitating, but come playoff time defenses clamp down on him and he isnt as successful.

I'd be happy with him at point.  Not at a max but that may be what happens.

9 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

I have updated the list to inclued all responses and added my own:

 

So what do you guys think will be the new Hurtscuses this year ??  Let me begin.

1.  This is the first time he has played in the same system two years in a row.

2. Let him play a full 17 game season

3. This was basically just an extension of his rookie season. He needs more time to develop!

4. The fans put too much pressure on him 

5. Ankle surgery is a year to recover, may not be 100% till 2023. 

6. Hurts was born on a Leap Year. Be patient.

7. He’s only 24

8. That's only 3 1/2 years in dog years. He's practically a baby.

9. This was his first regular offseason 

10. Dr. Strange made everyone forget about jalen hurts so he has to build up his rep and swag again for everyone to see

11.They're asking him to throw more and he's working on his progressions. Sometimes it takes a season or two.

12.The additional open receiver is confusing him.

13.Our WR's are too fast,  it's their fault they have to stop and wait for the ball.  

 

 

His friendship with AJ Brown is getting in the way.

The rest of the team isnt matching his swag

 

24 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Damned if you do damned if you don't 

 

That is the scenario, unfortunately. 

9 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

We have no evidence to suggest the 2021 Eagles under Doug wouldn't have been an injury-plagued mess of a season. The injuries were ridiculous for 4 years(!), even the Super Bowl season. We'd be whining about the Dickerson pick and Lane's contract, asking how we could rely on a 34 year old center, and wondering how Devonta Smith will look in year 2 after struggling with nagging injuries all year.

How could you call the last 2 offseasons anything worse than good? Of course we can't judge with as much certainty as we will in 3 years, but don't pick at "great" just so you can vent about how much you dislike Howie.

They needed stud young talent and have gone out and acquired those guys and assets to get more. They've given themselves flexibility to pounce on an opportunity at QB. Sure, there are more moves to make before entering a new Super Bowl window, but that's not even the argument. The moves he's made since the 2021 offseason would be more celebrated if any new GM made them; Lurie was right to keep him.

We have no evidence that a new GM couldn't have done a better job either. 

 

How can you call the last 2 offseasons another other than incomplete?  We don't know what they have actually gotten yet.  We have hopes that they can become true contenders, but they are still pretenders right now.  We'll see how it turns out.   The Process with the Sixers gave them flexibility and stud young talent too... and only ever lead to second round exits in the playoffs.   We'll see what actually comes out of this for the Eagles.  

It's the play calling! It isn't balanced enough. Hurts is at his best when he can run RPOs!

Just now, Swoop said:

It's the play calling! It isn't balanced enough. Hurts is at his best when he can run RPOs!

FYP.  

The grass is slowing him down, Hurts needs turf

3 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

We have no evidence that a new GM couldn't have done a better job either. 

 

How can you call the last 2 offseasons another other than incomplete?  We don't know what they have actually gotten yet.  We have hopes that they can become true contenders, but they are still pretenders right now.  We'll see how it turns out.   The Process with the Sixers gave them flexibility and stud young talent too... and only ever lead to second round exits in the playoffs.   We'll see what actually comes out of this for the Eagles.  

Yeah, I'm seeing a lot of confirmation bias here, so I'll just ask this: What exactly were your reasonable expectations for where the Eagles would be now if Howie been fired after 2020?

He's trying too hard to distribute the ball to everyone that he's not taking what's available

The rocky music played just before kickoff is racist and its throwing Hurts off his game.

3 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

Yeah, I'm seeing a lot of confirmation bias here, so I'll just ask this: What exactly were your reasonable expectations for where the Eagles would be now if Howie been fired after 2020?

As opposed to your confirmation bias that the injuries would have continued and Smith would have missed time last year to injury?  

 

I think the goal for the team if Howie had been fired would have been to move on from certain vets, like Lane, like Cox, and a few others sooner than they did, dig out of the salary cap issue a little sooner by not kicking the can further down the road, and would likely still be in a spot to be 9-8 last year with a ridiculously easy schedule, and again this year, with the 3rd easiest SOS going into the year.   This team wasn't in a position for a 'fast' turn around.  And this past year wasn't really much of a turn around.  Basically, they beat the bad teams, and got embarrassed by most of the good teams, and never came close to beating any of the playoff teams.   This team is still quite a ways from being where they need to be.  The easiest part of a rebuild is to get up from 4 wins.  Getting beyond 9 will be important.  And those wins need to include some playoff teams too.

RIP Fred Ward.  Tremors will always be one of those stop and watch on TV movies.

 

 

1 minute ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

RIP Fred Ward.  Tremors will always be one of those stop and watch on TV movies.

 

 

Sad, dude is hilarious.  Remo Williams was NEO way before The Matrix was even thought of.

 

1 hour ago, Freshmilk said:

Depth is an issue but the Harden trade didn't ruin the Sixers bench.  The bench was bad to begin with.  Drummond would have helped a little, but he can't shoot and neither can the sixers bench with or without tue Harden trade.

Harden trade made the Sixers starting 5 much better.  

You need two way depth players come playoffs , sixers lack that 

6 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

You need two way depth players come playoffs , sixers lack that 

Painfully obvious.  

4 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

As opposed to your confirmation bias that the injuries would have continued and Smith would have missed time last year to injury?  

 

I think the goal for the team if Howie had been fired would have been to move on from certain vets, like Lane, like Cox, and a few others sooner than they did, dig out of the salary cap issue a little sooner by not kicking the can further down the road, and would likely still be in a spot to be 9-8 last year with a ridiculously easy schedule, and again this year, with the 3rd easiest SOS going into the year.   This team wasn't in a position for a 'fast' turn around.  And this past year wasn't really much of a turn around.  Basically, they beat the bad teams, and got embarrassed by most of the good teams, and never came close to beating any of the playoff teams.   This team is still quite a ways from being where they need to be.  The easiest part of a rebuild is to get up from 4 wins.  Getting beyond 9 will be important.  And those wins need to include some playoff teams too.

Yeah it's actually different. Howie has shown to be adaptable, Doug hasn't. Part of my premise. Carson, Barnett, Goedert, and  Dillard all sustained nagging or major injuries during crucial developmental periods. Reagor had injury issues leading into his rookie year.

I'm not celebrating their W-L record in 2021. Not important to my argument at all. The roster now is at a much healthier point, literally and figuratively. For the first time in years, were not talking about injuries going into the season. We've had a major infusion of encouraging young talent including AJ Brown, who will be 25 come week 1. You're right that it's not an overnight rebuild, but it's hard to realistically imagine many GMs doing better than Howie has post-2020.

1 hour ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

The additional open receiver is confusing him.

He's not used to working with Brown

1 hour ago, The Blackfish said:

They’re good for boxing and pitching, that’s about it.  One of Steve Young’s coaches at BYU wanted him to be a DB because he was a lefty, the coach didn’t want to teach everything backwards to accommodate Young. 

We also naturally throw nice tight spirals so Steve Youngs coach was a lazy idiot.

Random, but they can't possibly keep JJAW on the roster anymore, right? The guy has 16 catches in 3 seasons.