August 28, 20223 yr 3 minutes ago, jsb235 said: Again, Cousins had two okay games, one average game and one terrible game. You can’t keep posting a number that doesn't count his terrible game as much as the other ones and think you are accurately assessing his performance over 4 games. It doesn't work like that. Not what I asked. What was Jalen Hurts QB rating for these 4 games ??
August 28, 20223 yr Author 1 minute ago, downundermike said: Not what I asked. What was Jalen Hurts QB rating for these 4 games ?? Eleventy? Why do I care?
August 28, 20223 yr Just now, jsb235 said: Eleventy? Why do I care? Well the NFL says it is 78.49, but you are saying it is 70.5. Why are you not giving Jalen the full credit for what he did the last 4 games of 2020 ?? 28 minutes ago, downundermike said: No, the numbers you used were not fine, both of the bolded statements are incorrect, that is not how QB rating is calculated over a stretch of games as proven by the Kirk Cousins numbers. So now lets bring it full circle. The last 4 games of 2020, Jalen Hurts QB ratings average out to 70.5, but when calculated correctly, they calculate out to 78.49. What is Jalen Hurts QB rating for the last 4 games of 2020, 70.5, or 78.49 ?? @brkmsn and @Shalodeep, this ought to be good.
August 28, 20223 yr Author 1 minute ago, downundermike said: Well the NFL says it is 78.49, but you are saying it is 70.5. Why are you not giving Jalen the full credit for what he did the last 4 games of 2020 ?? That looks right to me. Why would i count his bad game less than the others? Does that make sense to you? A game is a game. All should count equally.
August 28, 20223 yr Just now, jsb235 said: That looks right to me. Why would i count his bad game less than the others? Does that make sense to you? A game is a game. All should count equally. So why is it different for Kirk Cousins ?? This proves that you can not take the average of the QB ratings and divide by total games to get the 4 game average. You have to add all the numbers together then calculate. Until you can admit I am right, Jalens Hurts rating is 70.5 for those 4 games, not the 78.9 I correctly calculated.
August 28, 20223 yr 5 minutes ago, Swoop said: I have seen some insanity in here, but I have never seen someone willing to die on a hill of being 100% incorrect, without any actual intelligent retort as to how statistics work.
August 28, 20223 yr Author 6 minutes ago, downundermike said: So why is it different for Kirk Cousins ?? This proves that you can not take the average of the QB ratings and divide by total games to get the 4 game average. You have to add all the numbers together then calculate. Until you can admit I am right, Jalens Hurts rating is 70.5 for those 4 games, not the 78.9 I correctly calculated. You are confused. That's what i would do with Hurts. Passer rating is clearly less accurate for smaller data sets, which makes sense since it was designed to determine the best passer for a season. In three or four games, allowing one game to count more or less skews the results, so to be more accurate, you should use the rating for each game and divide. So i agree his rating should be the lower one.
August 28, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, jsb235 said: You are confused. That's what i would do with Hurts. Passer rating is clearly less accurate for smaller data sets, which makes sense since it was designed to determine the best passer for a season. In three or four games, allowing one game to count more or less skews the results, so to be more accurate, you should use the rating for each game and divide. That is wrong, and not how the NFL does it. Lst time. What is Jalen Hurts rating for those 4 games. Your post only needs to say one of the following. 78.9 or 70.5 Anything other than one of those two numbers as the answer is a clear sign of defeat.
August 28, 20223 yr Author Just now, downundermike said: That is wrong, and not how the NFL does it. Lst time. What is Jalen Hurts rating for those 4 games. Your post only needs to say one of the following. 78.9 or 70.5 Anything other than one of those two numbers as the answer is a clear sign of defeat. Assuming your math is right, 70.5. All games should count equally. And there is a per game rating. If you want to use that stat to see how someone does over three or four games, why wouldn't you use that figure? Why count some games less than others?
August 28, 20223 yr Just now, jsb235 said: Assuming your math is right, 70.5. All games should count equally. And there is a per game rating. If you want to use that stat to see how someone does over three or four games, why wouldn't you use that figure? Why count some games less than others? What's the goal here? Are you planning on being wrong until he gives up trying to correct you? Cause DUM is relentless. He will stay on a subject for months and months obsessively. Or is there a certain time where you might bow out and admit you've been wrong all along and this thread didn't work the way you thought it would?
August 28, 20223 yr 45 minutes ago, jsb235 said: Assuming your math is right, 70.5. All games should count equally. And there is a per game rating. If you want to use that stat to see how someone does over three or four games, why wouldn't you use that figure? Why count some games less than others? That is doing a huge disservice to Jalen Hurts. You are taking away 8.4 of his actual QB rating because you are wrong. Fact, Jalen Hurts QB rating for the last 4 games of 2020 is 78.9, that is 100% correct based on how the NFL calculates QB rating. @brkmsn, are you going to let jsb not give Jalen Hurts the appropriate credit for what he did at the end of 2020 ??
August 28, 20223 yr Author 3 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said: What's the goal here? Are you planning on being wrong until he gives up trying to correct you? Cause DUM is relentless. He will stay on a subject for months and months obsessively. Or is there a certain time where you might bow out and admit you've been wrong all along and this thread didn't work the way you thought it would? How am i wrong? Should games not count equally?
August 28, 20223 yr Factoring in the opposition in each game, points scored and record.... Hurts performed better in the 3 games DUM picked.
August 28, 20223 yr 5 minutes ago, jsb235 said: How am i wrong? Should games not count equally? QB rating is calculated by the facts. Those facts are added, and then entered into the QB calculator. 1 game, 4 games, 17 games, it does not make a difference. As @EagleJoe8 pointed out, even a full season, you can not add the ratings and divide by games to get the actual rating.
August 28, 20223 yr Author Just now, downundermike said: QB rating is calculated by the facts. Those facts are added, and then entered into the QB calculator. 1 game, 4 games, 17 games, it does not make a difference. As @EagleJoe8 pointed out, even a full season, you can not add the ratings and divide by games to get the actual rating. You absolutely can. I did it. Whether you agree with it or not is a different thing. But it is the only way to ensure games are weighted the same.
August 28, 20223 yr 6 minutes ago, jsb235 said: You absolutely can. I did it. Whether you agree with it or not is a different thing. But it is the only way to ensure games are weighted the same. False. Below is the stats from Nick Foles 2013 season. This is from PFR, and NFL.com and ESPN show the same season QB rating of 119.2. If I use your method of adding all the QB ratings and dividing by total games, it comes out to 111.27. Are you saying the 119.2 that is on every single NFL statistics site on the internet is wrong, and your method is correct ??
August 28, 20223 yr Author 1 minute ago, downundermike said: False. Below is the stats from Nick Foles 2013 season. This is from PFR, and NFL.com and ESPN show the same season QB rating of 119.2. If I use your method of adding all the QB ratings and dividing by total games, it comes out to 111.27. Are you saying the 119.2 that is on every single NFL statistics site on the internet is wrong, and your method is correct ?? Passer rating is just data. How that data can be used is clearly up to the individual. If I want to divide the passer rating for three games to get a number that doesn't discount good or bad performances, that is clearly not violating any math principles, since the rating is a measure of performance. Plus, I didn't devalue games, which explains the disparity in Foles' numbers. He benefitted from the system using raw numbers rather than a per game basis, just like some others would not benefit. But the fact that the NFL doesn't use passer rating in that way doesn't indicate it can't be done. It can be. And it is probably more accurate in some cases, especially when games are weighted unevenly.
August 28, 20223 yr @jsb235 you better contact NFL legal and start your lawsuit. Trey Lance. All sites are showing his QB rating as 97.3. Using your add the ratings and divide by games played, it is 104.65. You should also contact his agent, this info about the NFL being incorrect about stats will sure help in contract negotiations.
August 28, 20223 yr Author 1 minute ago, downundermike said: @jsb235 you better contact NFL legal and start your lawsuit. Trey Lance. All sites are showing his QB rating as 97.3. Using your add the ratings and divide by games played, it is 104.65. You should also contact his agent, this info about the NFL being incorrect about stats will sure help in contract negotiations. If you are fine with games counting differently, that's on you.
August 28, 20223 yr Author Just now, Iggles25 said: @jsb235 Just responding. The issue is clear. Do games count the same or not? If they don't, that seems flawed to me in comparing a small set of games. If we can all agree that is true, I am fine not posting again.
August 28, 20223 yr 2 minutes ago, jsb235 said: If I want to divide the passer rating for three games to get a number that doesn't discount good or bad performances, that is clearly not violating any math principles, since the rating is a measure of performance. That number is not the actual passer ratings for those games. I have given you 8 examples that you are 100% incorrect. Once again, what is Jalen Hurts QB rating for the last 4 games of 2020 ?? 78.9 or 70.5.
August 28, 20223 yr Author 1 minute ago, downundermike said: Once again, what is Jalen Hurts QB rating for the last 4 games of 2020 ?? 78.9 or 70.5. Are we counting all the games evenly or counting the game he did poorly in not as much?
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