1 hour ago, DEagle7 said:

They are using the term "prevent" to mean it prevents a portion of people from dying, infection and spreading measles mumps and rubella.  If you want to use that term then the COVID vaccine absolutely "prevents" death infection and transmission.

This article does not however comment on the effectiveness of the MMR vaccine, which is what you are insinuating in your post.

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd/mmr/public/index.html

They work in no small part due to the fact that most of the non-idiotic world is vaccinated for Measles Mumps and Rubella and those residual 3%, 12% and 3% risk is mitigated by herd immunity.

 

It’s amazing how some people seem to think that the Covid vaccine is the only vaccine in existence that isn’t 100% effective.

5 minutes ago, Phillyterp85 said:

It’s amazing how some people seem to think that the Covid vaccine is the only vaccine in existence that isn’t 100% effective.

Or the first one to require a booster.  Just the dumbest Fing people.

I bet Procus has a "Dr Oz 2022" bumper sticker on his car before the new year.

9 hours ago, Procus said:

That makes no sense whatsoever.  Republicans cannot prevent you or your kids from getting vaccinated. 

The difference between vaccines for measles, mumps and rubella from those for Covid is that the former actually PREVENT infection and transmission.

I doubt he'll win the primary.

I knew I could count on you to defend one of the dopiest platforms  in recent memory. 

11 hours ago, DEagle7 said:

Or the first one to require a booster.  Just the dumbest Fing people.

I bet Procus has a "Dr Oz 2022" bumper sticker on his car before the new year.

Dr. Oz ain't running in Florida, and in any event, I wouldn't desecrate my car with a bumper sticker.  In case you hadn't noticed by now, most people that run for office do so for the own personal glorification - something I don't feel the need to participate in or otherwise enhance.  And for the record, while I have nothing against Dr. Oz, I really don't care one way or another about his run for office.

Anyway - there's another thread for all of this.

7 minutes ago, Procus said:

Dr. Oz ain't running in Florida, and in any event, I wouldn't desecrate my car with a bumper sticker.  In case you hadn't noticed by now, most people that run for office do so for the own personal glorification - something I don't feel the need to participate in or otherwise enhance.  And for the record, while I have nothing against Dr. Oz, I really don't care one way or another about his run for office.

Anyway - there's another thread for all of this.

this thread is about PA politics and i am purely guessing here, but i believe discussing dr oz running for a pa senate spot might fall under this title. 

6 hours ago, Alpha_TATEr said:

this thread is about PA politics and i am purely guessing here, but i believe discussing dr oz running for a pa senate spot might fall under this title. 

Was referring to the comment about the Covid booster

https://www.inquirer.com/opinion/commentary/larry-krasner-michael-nutter-philadelphia-violence-20211207.html

District Attorney Larry Krasner’s recent remarks about whether we are experiencing a crime crisis are some of the worst, most ignorant, and most insulting comments I have ever heard spoken by an elected official.

At a Monday press briefing, Krasner told reporters: "We don’t have a crisis of lawlessness, we don’t have a crisis of crime, we don’t have a crisis of violence.”

It takes a certain audacity of ignorance and white privilege to say that right now. As of Monday night, 521 people, souls, spirits have been vanquished, eliminated, murdered in our City of Brotherly Love and Sisterly Affection, the most since 1960. I have to wonder what kind of messed up world of white wokeness Krasner is living in to have so little regard for human lives lost, many of them Black and brown, while he advances his own national profile as a progressive district attorney.

 

 

Krasner is gaslighting.

Good on Nutter for calling him out.

1 hour ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

Krasner is gaslighting.

Good on Nutter for calling him out.

he's disaster, but the people just re-elected him so they are to blame as well. 

1 hour ago, Alpha_TATEr said:

he's disaster, but the people just re-elected him so they are to blame as well. 

They are, but him being called out in the press is what's needed now. This is where the free press has a responsibility to the people. 

I understand the desire to reduce long-term incarcerations, but the policy changes to get there need to be done with a scalpel not a hatchet. 

Non-violent drug offenses and other victimless crimes? Yeah, turn those out. Violent crimes, store theft, etc.? You need to prosecute those. 

Criminal justice reform cannot become synonymous with "we just don't enforce the law", or else you're going to lose the people. They've already lost the thread. 

2 hours ago, Alpha_TATEr said:

he's disaster, but the people just re-elected him so they are to blame as well. 

Yep, that's the only positive thing about the spike in crime. You'd hope seeing your city descend into a violent hellhole due to liberals would wake some people up, but ishlib voters are really, really, really stupid, so at least the people who have to live around the violence voted for it. Enjoy, retards. 

58 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

They are, but him being called out in the press is what's needed now. This is where the free press has a responsibility to the people. 

I understand the desire to reduce long-term incarcerations, but the policy changes to get there need to be done with a scalpel not a hatchet. 

Non-violent drug offenses and other victimless crimes? Yeah, turn those out. Violent crimes, store theft, etc.? You need to prosecute those. 

Criminal justice reform cannot become synonymous with "we just don't enforce the law", or else you're going to lose the people. They've already lost the thread. 

krasner just spit in the faces of every victim and their families, along with the entire philadelphia populous. 

 

but yeah, it is nice to see kermit call him out. 

6 minutes ago, Alpha_TATEr said:

krasner just spit in the faces of every victim and their families, along with the entire philadelphia populous. 

 

but yeah, it is nice to see kermit call him out. 

Nutter was the best Mayor Philly has had in a long time. I met him a few times, he was very earnest in his desire to improve the city. And that was reflected in his policies. Whether or not you agreed with the guy, he was operating in good faith. 

Kenney and Krasner suck.

22 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

Nutter was the best Mayor Philly has had in a long time. I met him a few times, he was very earnest in his desire to improve the city. And that was reflected in his policies. Whether or not you agreed with the guy, he was operating in good faith. 

Kenney and Krasner suck.

i didnt see nutter as a disaster by any means. certainly better than whats there now. 

 

nice to also see more of the city council trash being put out as well as the union scum. 

https://www.phillyvoice.com/bucks-county-massage-parlors-human-trafficking-ordinance-regulation/

Bucks County becomes first in Pennsylvania to adopt ordinance targeting illicit massage parlors

Officials hope new regulations will prevent human trafficking and root out illegal businesses

A key provision of the new ordinance makes it unlawful for an owner or employee to "expose their sexual or genital area to any customer or other person," according to the Bucks County Courier Times. It also explicitly prohibits owners or employees from touching, fondling or otherwise having any physical contact with a sexual or genital area of a customer, or making an offer to do so.

1 minute ago, mr_hunt said:

https://www.phillyvoice.com/bucks-county-massage-parlors-human-trafficking-ordinance-regulation/

Bucks County becomes first in Pennsylvania to adopt ordinance targeting illicit massage parlors

Officials hope new regulations will prevent human trafficking and root out illegal businesses

A key provision of the new ordinance makes it unlawful for an owner or employee to "expose their sexual or genital area to any customer or other person," according to the Bucks County Courier Times. It also explicitly prohibits owners or employees from touching, fondling or otherwise having any physical contact with a sexual or genital area of a customer, or making an offer to do so.

Gee as long as they're focusing on the important stuff. 

Budd Dwyer blew his brains out on  TV 35 Years ago. Anyone see this live?

 

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Disgraced Pa. treasurer's suicide still shocks after 35 years

 

HARRISBURG (TNS) — An unhinged politician. A room full of reporters and photographers. And a .357 Magnum tucked in a manila envelope.

These three volatile elements combusted on Jan. 22, 1987, into one of the most enduring and shocking episodes in Pennsylvania history.

It began as a press conference in the state’s Finance Building in which everyone expected state Treasurer R. Budd Dwyer, convicted of corruption, to announce his resignation.

But as a sweaty, rambling Dwyer railed against his perceived political enemies, including the press, sudden fear swept the room crowded with nearly three-dozen journalists. Dwyer, finally ceasing his long diatribe, had reached into a yellow envelope, revealing his long-barreled handgun.

"One of the things I most remember is when Mr. Dwyer pulled out his revolver, at first people in the press thought he was going to shoot them,” said R. Thomas Berner, then journalism and American studies professor at Penn State, where the Dwyer case became a subject of study.

"Part of his rambling speech was that he was crucified in the press,” Berner added. "I think journalists are and have always been under some kind of assault, regardless.”

Rising fear

Fear among the assembled press was palpable, said Greg Penny, who was then Dwyer’s deputy press secretary.

"A lot of reporters were concerned for their safety,” Penny said. "Budd had been very critical of a lot of news coverage. Initially, a number of the reporters were worried he might shoot them.”

Among them was Kenn Marshall, then a capitol reporter for the Patriot-News. He was standing by the office door, ready to bolt. But not because he expected Dwyer to pull out a gun.

Rather, Marshall’s assignment that morning was to call in a report to the newspaper desk just as soon as the disgraced public servant announced his resignation.

"We were there to see him resign,” Marshall said. Dwyer’s federal sentencing in a high-profile bribery case was scheduled for the following day.

Dwyer’s delivery of his speech became more and more unhinged.

"It was a very rambling, disjointed speech,” Marshall recalled. "He was pretty much railing against everyone in Harrisburg, from (then) Gov. Thornburgh to the judicial system to the media.”

Marshall described Dwyer’s increasingly troubling demeanor that morning as, "Upset. Agitated. Sweating.”

The longer Dwyer droned on, it became clear he was losing the room.

"I think everyone on the room was thinking, ‘What the heck is going on?’” Marshall said. "One of the TV crews started breaking down their equipment. At that point, he said, ‘you don’t want to leave.’”

Reaches for gun

That’s when Dwyer cut short his angry rants and impassioned protestations of innocence. He leaned from the podium to an adjacent table, pulling out three letter-sized envelopes from the briefcase. He handed one each to three of his aides. It was later revealed that one contained Dwyer’s organ donation card. Another was a letter asking Gov. Thornburgh to appoint Dwyer’s wife to fill out his term. (He did not.)

The next item Dwyer reached for was the .357 Magnum.

"That’s when it really got hairy,” Marshall said.

What transpired next happened in mere moments. But the shocked mind has a way of slowing down time. Marshall recalled a collective gasp at the sight of the large revolver in Dwyer’s right hand.

"In this situation we were in, it looked like a cannon,” Marshall said. "All I could see was the gun.”

The room of reporters seemed to shrink away from the weapon, he added.

"My immediate thought was he was going to turn that gun on people in the room. There were other journalists who thought that too,” Marshall said. "Initially, it was just pure panic. No one knew for sure what was going to happen.”

Standing near the door, Marshall considered bolting right then and there.

"My thought was, ‘I am at the door, I can get out of here’,” he recalled. "I honestly thought, I’m going to get out of here. Yeah, I was scared!”

Yet, for some reason still unknown to Marshall, he didn’t act on his instinct for flight.

"A lot of other people were ducking,” he added. "A lot of people were scared to death. He had really torn into the media. A lot of us felt he was going to turn that gun on some of the people in that room.”

 

The shocking moment

But Dwyer never did aim his weapon at the press. He held the gun with its barrel pointed at the ceiling and backed toward the wall behind him.

"Please, please leave the room if this will ... if this will affect you,” Dwyer announced.

In this instant, Dwyer’s true intent became clear.

That’s when cries of "No, Budd don’t!” and "Stop!” echoed in the room. A few reporters even made a move to try and stop Dwyer, both Marshall and Penny said.

Among them was former WGAL News 8 reporter Gene Schenck, an ex-Army Ranger, who attempted to hop the large table that formed a barricade between Dwyer and rest of the room.

If anything, however, the physical attempts to stop Dwyer only quickened the end, Penny and Marshall said.

"If anybody was going to be able to stop (Dwyer), it was him,” Marshall said of Schenck. "But nobody was going to stop him from doing what he set out to do that day. He obviously put thought into it.”

Dwyer was determined to end things on his terms. The speed of what happened next was startling, witnesses said.

"When he backed himself against the wall, he held his hand out and warned people to stay back,” Marshall said. "Then he put the gun in his mouth.”

As soon as the gun barrel slipped behind Dwyer’s lips, there was a single shot muffled by his mouth. With that, the tall, bear-like politician collapsed in a heap to the floor. He went down like a marionette whose strings have been cut, witnesses said.

The aftermath

In the immediate aftermath, those who were there often speak of operating on autopilot.

Marshall dashed to the phone. "I did exactly what I planned to do when I entered the room,” he said. "I don’t know. I guess it was instinct. I was just doing my job. I probably wasn’t thinking.”

Marshall dialed the Evening News desk. To his surprise, the editor who answered already knew of the shooting. Long before the instantaneous nature of the Internet, news that Dwyer shot himself traveled with surprising speed, even in the old-world of broadcast media.

By killing himself before his federal sentence could be handed down, Dwyer also preserved his $1.28 million pension for his wife and two children. From a legal standpoint, Dwyer’s conviction was never final because he killed himself before his sentencing.

What the embattled politician didn’t accomplish was a full re-examination of the corruption case that had destroyed him.

The month before his suicide, Dwyer and former GOP state Chairman Robert Asher were convicted by a jury of 11 counts each, stemming from an agreement to award a $4.6 million Treasury Department data processing contract to Computer Technology Associates, a California computer firm, in return for campaign contributions. Each faced up to 55 years in prison.

The case revolved around a conspiracy under which Dwyer and the state GOP was to accept a $300,000 kickback on the sole-source contract. But no money ever changed hands; the prosecution hinged on testimony of others involved who took plea deals.

In committing suicide, Dwyer stepped on his own message, Marshall said.

"I don’t think anybody remembers what he said. He was hoping it would bring about these major reforms,” Marshall said. "There wasn’t much follow-up on what he was hoping would happen.”

Lasting legacy

Instead, Dwyer’s enduring legacy is that of a disgraced, desperate politician who took his life in the most shocking way possible, Marshall said.

"I think it’s pretty close to the top in Pennsylvania political history — unfortunately,” he said.

So much so, Dwyer’s elected successor to the office, Democrat Catherine Baker Knoll, delighted in showing her guests the bullet hole Dwyer’s suicide shot had bored into the ceiling, Penny said.

The hole remains to this day.

So do the memories, especially among those who witnessed it.

"Thirty-five years later, they’ll still remembering it,” Marshall said. "Pennsylvania has had more than its share of political corruption, but those names come and go. A lot of people remember Budd Dwyer. He’s the guy who shot himself at a press conference.”

https://www.bradfordera.com/news/disgraced-pa-treasurers-suicide-still-shocks-after-35-years/article_2295e796-5f28-50f0-97c0-b504605b2aae.html

 

1 hour ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

Budd Dywer blew his brains out on  TV 35 Years ago. Anyone see this live?

 

 

People thought "Hey man nice shot" by Filter was about Kurt Cobain, but it was apparently about that guy. 

39 minutes ago, Gannan said:

People thought "Hey man nice shot" by Filter was about Kurt Cobain, but it was apparently about that guy. 

 

Ironically (coincidentally?), I remember hearing that Cobain himself had a thing for snuff films. I first learned of this because Michael Moore spliced some of the footage into a scene of Bowling for Columbine. I kinda had a macabre fascination with it ever since. Back then, you could still find the unedited, full-color segment on YouTube, I believe.

10 hours ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

Budd Dwyer blew his brains out on  TV 35 Years ago. Anyone see this live?

 

 

I definitely recall seeing this live. If I remember correctly there was a big snow storm that day, so school was cancelled. This meant all of the school age children were at home, and I definitely didn't have cable yet then. So, his press conference was probably on every channel that we got on our TV. Absolutely mind-blowing television...

11 hours ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

Budd Dwyer blew his brains out on  TV 35 Years ago. Anyone see this live?

 

 

Yes

On 12/9/2021 at 11:49 AM, JohnSnowsHair said:

They are, but him being called out in the press 

🤣🤣🤣

Its actually sad when you consider how well the press polls for credibility.

 

 

Finally, some sanity.  And yes, this does mean that the 2020 vote in Pa. was tainted despite all the loudmouth protests here to the contrary.

https://www.fox43.com/article/news/politics/elections/mail-in-voting-elections-pennsylvania/521-216f4c12-a9cb-448f-8a7d-88ec06412b0a

Court ruling puts mail-in voting on hold in Pennsylvania

Friday's Commonwealth Court opinion declares Act 77 of 2019 unconstitutional, though an appeal is expected by the Department of State.

2 minutes ago, Procus said:

  And yes, this does mean that the 2020 vote in Pa. was tainted 

 

 

lol. no it doesn't. biden won. trump lost. 

 

go cry about it some more!