7 minutes ago, mikemack8 said:

Am I the only one who does not want more offense?  If they wanna trade for a top end pitcher I'm all for it, but I don't need another underperforming bat at this point.  If they guys that we're paying start playing up to expectations this offense will explode.  

They have the best ERA in the majors the last month.  Pitching isn’t the problem.  They need offense because JT, Harper, Turner, and Schwarber are not getting it done 

1 minute ago, GoEagles5921 said:

They have the best ERA in the majors the last month.  Pitching isn’t the problem.  They need offense because JT, Harper, Turner, and Schwarber are not getting it done 

Walker will fade in the second half.  Nola is garbage, and Wheeler isn't the same.  Too many innings on those arms.  Not sure what's up with Ranger but his last few outings haven't been great.  And they still need a 5th starter.  

22 minutes ago, mikemack8 said:

Walker will fade in the second half.  Nola is garbage, and Wheeler isn't the same.  Too many innings on those arms.  Not sure what's up with Ranger but his last few outings haven't been great.  And they still need a 5th starter.  

Pitching is definitely more important and more needed.

 

However, I'm not going to be mad if we add Goldschmidt or Arenado assuming we dont give up too much.

11 minutes ago, BirdsFanBill said:

Pitching is definitely more important and more needed.

 

However, I'm not going to be mad if we add Goldschmidt or Arenado assuming we dont give up too much.

They need too many pieces to give up young talent. 

21 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

They need too many pieces to give up young talent. 

What are the many pieces they need?

1 hour ago, mikemack8 said:

Walker will fade in the second half.  Nola is garbage, and Wheeler isn't the same.  Too many innings on those arms.  Not sure what's up with Ranger but his last few outings haven't been great.  And they still need a 5th starter.  

 i'd expect a pitcher like a Syndergaard, nothing more. need to look at the bullpen as well. 

3 hours ago, mikemack8 said:

Walker will fade in the second half.  Nola is garbage, and Wheeler isn't the same.  Too many innings on those arms.  Not sure what's up with Ranger but his last few outings haven't been great.  And they still need a 5th starter.  

I think the price to get a front line starter is going to be really expensive to the point of the Phillies won’t make that move. I think that’s more of an off-season thing that they addressed when Aaron Nola likely leaves and then you have to go fill his spot in free agency or make a trade. I don’t disagree with you because I’ve said this in the past that I think they need a front of the rotation starter because you don’t know what you’re getting from Nola. Very similar to what hamels went through in 09 after their WS run. Wheeler over the last month and a half has an ERA near five and his last 3 starts it’s near seven. Add on he is going to be 34  next year and on the last year of his contract so you likely need another ace even with the young guys that you in the minors. Suarez has stretches where he looks unhittable then seems like he’s gassed then eventually turns it on an again. Question is how long does it look like he’s gassed for. I tend to think he’s a solid no. 3 with upside potential to be 2. Like you said, Walker always has issues in the second half 

tbh they could use a front line starter, bullpen arm and a RH bat. Alvarado dealing with an elbow issue for the second time and Matt gelb on the radio the other day day he thinks that’s worse then what the Phillies are leading on. Add on dominguez is still hurt. 

I would normally agree with you that the offense should turn it on with the guys that aren’t hitting as well as we like. Realmuto last year took off in the second half but last two years he’s been pretty mediocre to bad in the first half. Harper should have more power as he gets more and more removed from the surgery. Schwarber needs out of LF and allow him to rest and maybe he starts hitting better. I think turner is going through the same thing castellanos did in 2022.

that said I’m not sure if it changes this year. I’m not sure it gets any better than what it is now because I think there’s some guys on this team that are just having down years all at the same time. That doesn’t mean next year it’s gonna be that way, but it feels like that’s the case this year. I think they miss Rhys hoskins ability to get hot and carry them. I don’t think Nolan Arenado magically fixes everything with this lineup especially if you lose Alec bomb in that deal. We can saw what we want about Alec Bohm, but he has been our best hitter with runners in scoring position. So even if arenado hits ridiculous with RISP, we basically could still have the same issue. bohm is hitting .364 with RISP. If the harper, realmuto, schwarber and Turner continue down the same path then we actually in the same spot but with a better fielder over at third. That’s why I would keep bohm and try to make a move for a right handed hitter that can be added to the lineup instead of just upgrading bohm.

2 hours ago, BirdsFanBill said:

What are the many pieces they need?

Serious? They need 1 starting pitcher, 1 to not fall off, 1 to start pitching because he sucks, at least 2-3 people to start hitting well, and at least one more bat on top of that. That's not a team that's going to win this year.

If I'm them I trade Nola no matter what. Take what you can get because he is gone no matter what.

Just now, Diehardfan said:

Serious? They need 1 starting pitcher, 1 to not fall off, 1 to start pitching because he sucks, at least 2-3 people to start hitting well, and at least one more bat on top of that. That's not a team that's going to win this year.

To be honest, I am not sure anybody is beating Atlanta in the NL this year. They are better than last year and frankly seem pissed off about what happened last year. Maybe they stumble in the playoffs or guys get hurt before the end of year like last year with strider. But if they are fully healthy going into the playoffs, I tend to think there’s not a team in the national league that is as talented and it’s really not close with how they are playing. 

30 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

To be honest, I am not sure anybody is beating Atlanta in the NL this year. They are better than last year and frankly seem pissed off about what happened last year. Maybe they stumble in the playoffs or guys get hurt before the end of year like last year with strider. But if they are fully healthy going into the playoffs, I tend to think there’s not a team in the national league that is as talented and it’s really not close with how they are playing. 

Yep. Giving up young assets for aging players is the wrong move 

1 hour ago, Diehardfan said:

Serious? They need 1 starting pitcher, 1 to not fall off, 1 to start pitching because he sucks, at least 2-3 people to start hitting well, and at least one more bat on top of that. That's not a team that's going to win this year.

If I'm them I trade Nola no matter what. Take what you can get because he is gone no matter what.

So they need two pieces? You just said we need too many pieces to give up young talent.

What you are saying is we need one pitcher and one hitter. And then like every other team we need our best players to play close to their career averages in the second half of the year. 

28 minutes ago, BirdsFanBill said:

So they need two pieces? You just said we need too many pieces to give up young talent.

What you are saying is we need one pitcher and one hitter. And then like every other team we need our best players to play close to their career averages in the second half of the year. 

No, because you can't count on the people who aren't up to the task. They really need 3-4. On top of what EAGLES said about the Braves that's not worth giving up young pieces for. 

2 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

No, because you can't count on the people who aren't up to the task. They really need 3-4. On top of what EAGLES said about the Braves that's not worth giving up young pieces for. 

The only player that solves two problems with 1 trade is Ohtani. Sadly it’s a ridiculous amount of prospect they’d have to give up and he’d likely only be here for 2 months until he leaves in FAA. 

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

The only player that solves two problems with 1 trade is Ohtani. Sadly it’s a ridiculous amount of prospect they’d have to give up and he’d likely only be here for 2 months until he leaves in FAA. 

They'd still need at least one more pitcher because Nola is crap. Now, if they want to compete against the Braves throw in 2 more bats because again...what they have isn't enough. 

10 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

No, because you can't count on the people who aren't up to the task. They really need 3-4. On top of what EAGLES said about the Braves that's not worth giving up young pieces for. 

So then you sell everything and start over I guess and wait for these young studs to become all stars in 3-4 years?

Just now, Diehardfan said:

They'd still need at least one more pitcher because Nola is crap. Now, if they want to compete against the Braves throw in 2 more bats because again...what they have isn't enough. 

The reality is it's incredibly difficult to compete with the Braves not only because they have so much talent but also because so many of their best players are locked into cheap, long term contracts.  It's crazy how many of their players are on great contracts for the team.

8 minutes ago, Shepard Wong said:

The reality is it's incredibly difficult to compete with the Braves not only because they have so much talent but also because so many of their best players are locked into cheap, long term contracts.  It's crazy how many of their players are on great contracts for the team.

The Braves are way out of reach. It's not close. However we do have a roster that is kind of built for a playoff run if the bats are hot. So if we want any chance of a WS we just build on that. Otherwise we're just sitting around for the next few years hoping the Braves fall off or our young prospects become amazing.

11 minutes ago, BirdsFanBill said:

So then you sell everything and start over I guess and wait for these young studs to become all stars in 3-4 years?

I mean....yeah...if we are being honest and don't want to be the Sixers and make the playoffs and then get bounced. Bats may get hot but at least 2 or 3 of their pitchers will suck

1 minute ago, Diehardfan said:

I mean....yeah...if we are being honest and don't want to be the Sixers and make the playoffs and then get bounced. Bats may get hot but at least 2 or 3 of their pitchers will suck

Fair. 

I disagree but respect the approach and thought process.

24 minutes ago, BirdsFanBill said:

Fair. 

I disagree but respect the approach and thought process.

If they can find a pitcher who doesn't cost them their top young guys I'd be fine with it, but that won't happen. I'd rather they sit where they are and see what happens or sell vs going all in. We'll see. 

It's not something that makes me happy, but they have some nice young pitchers coming up. Keep them around and don't set the system back. 

 

 

 

 

5 hours ago, iladelphxx said:

 

 

I’d do that trade if the Phillies were willing to throw him a blank check at the end of the season or while making the move at the trade deadline. Otherwise he’s gonna just be a rental and leave. Granted if they offer him a qualifying offer and he signs elsewhere they are gonna get a team’s second highest and 5th highest picks (likely scenario) which is likely not as good as the prospects you are giving up for a rental.