5 hours ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

I actually disagree with you here (and agree with the Phillies). If Harper flubs balls against the Brewers and the team loses, the beneficiary is a team (Milwaukee) that you're competing for in the standings. On the other hand, if they lose to Cleveland, it doesn't hurt them (double, I mean) in the standings.

Basically what I'm saying is, if you're going to test Harper at first base, do it against an American League team or a non contending National League team. If he passes the test, then you bite the bullet and just go with him the rest of the way.

See I disagree with this. You’re already getting hurt defensively at 1b because Hall isn’t a good defensive first baseman and in the outfield due schwarber playing LF. Also Alec Bohm has been slightly below average when look at the advance analytics at first. So even if harper isn’t good he’s likely still the same as bohm and hall who the analytics say aren’t good or below average at first. Now, if the Phillies had called up Kody Clemens, that’s different story. analytically he’s been at least average defensively. If bohm and hall were average to above average then I’d tend to agree with you. But they are actually below average so what you talked about could happen anyway cause neither are killing it defensively at first. And hall showed exactly that tonight with his bad error costing a run

also, the Brewers currently lead the NL Central by 3 games so in terms of the wild card race you are competing with SF, Az, Reds and marlins. And there’s as much of a chance hall makes a mistake like he did tonight as harper. Sadly hall is not good defensively or offensively.

I know Kyle Schwarber made a great catch tonight but you could’ve played marsh and Rojas so better defensively in the outfield. Marsh turned the wrong direction on the ball on the hit on one of the runs. Rojas is a better centerfielder than marsh. That’s likely a catch with Rojas as he covers more ground and in the minors rarely makes a mistake that marsh did on that ball. So one of those runs might have been prevented with Rojas in CF 

The bigger issue for the Phillies is they need to know if Bryce Harper can play first base at an average level regardless. You only have 13 days until you need to decide and 12 games. If you wait til the weekend (like it sounds) it leaves you with just 10 games. Add on I’m guessing they aren’t going to overwork him at first so he’s likely gonna play there 2 days in a row then sit. So there’s a chance you only see him at first base for about six or seven games before having to make a decision. You really want more than that. if he winds up being good then you’re set but if he is bad/below average and you set out to get an outfielder that could come back and bite you in the ass. could have way too many outfielders and nobody that can play first at a high enough level unless the goal is to trade for Cody bellinger which solves the issue as he plays OF and 1b 

i’m not the only one that thinks this. I was surprised when Ricky Bottalico went off on a 10 minute rant today on the radio about it saying what I am. Weird coincidence as i said what he did earlier in the day in here then all the sudden he began discussing it. 

My guess is Harper is saying he’s not ready yet. He’s a perfectionist and does not want to embarrass himself out there until he feels that won’t happen.

8 hours ago, iladelphxx said:

Dombrowski on Painter 

I actually said it when this was first announced, get him the Tommy John surgery and he'd be back hopefully by next year after the all-star break.  Now....they are going to be lucky to have him by the 2025 season.....f'ing idiots.

48 minutes ago, NYEagle said:

I actually said it when this was first announced, get him the Tommy John surgery and he'd be back hopefully by next year after the all-star break.  Now....they are going to be lucky to have him by the 2025 season.....f'ing idiots.

Again. It made sense to wait. Plenty of pitchers have had the same injury and bounce back fine with rest. Happened to Nola a few years ago to start the season. However, once he had the set back about a month ago is when they should have shut him down and gotten whatever surgery is required. Prolonging surgery now doesn’t seem to make sense, unless Painter/Boras are saying they don’t want the surgery right now.

7 minutes ago, Blazehound said:

Again. It made sense to wait. Plenty of pitchers have had the same injury and bounce back fine with rest. Happened to Nola a few years ago to start the season. However, once he had the set back about a month ago is when they should have shut him down and gotten whatever surgery is required. Prolonging surgery now doesn’t seem to make sense, unless Painter/Boras are saying they don’t want the surgery right now.

Not gonna argue waiting cause there’s also plenty who waited and still needed surgery. When he had the set back a couple weeks ago they should’ve said you need it. But they said  the MRI showed healing and we are just gonna shut him down for a little bit again. Now it’s he’s done for the year. Feels like the Phillies or boras are just pushing it out further hoping it heals on it’s own when realistically it’s not looking good. boras has been around the game for a while now and clients who have had to under go the surgery, at some point he would have to face the music it’s likely inevitable and his client is now gonna miss more time continuing to wait. 

realistically becoming similar to the dominguez situation (granted no Covid type situation so that won’t push back a surgery date). Get the feeling we are going to get to spring training next year and this flares up again and then finally he gets the surgery and misses 2024 and a good portion of 2025. 

 

From the article 

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So, rival teams in contact with the Phillies say Dombrowski’s front office is not shopping in the frontline starter tier. The Phillies are telling teams they would like to add a "depth” starter.

Dombrowski has done that at each of the last two trade deadlines. He acquired Kyle Gibson in 2021 and Noah Syndergaard in 2022. Both were viewed as help for the back of the rotation and, in general, they did what they were expected to do.”

 

Didn’t expect that especially not after that grand slam 

 

12 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Didn’t expect that especially not after that grand slam 

 

Kimbrel has been huge. Even more so since Alvarado got injured and didn't look nearly as good when he got back.

3 hours ago, Blazehound said:

My guess is Harper is saying he’s not ready yet. He’s a perfectionist and does not want to embarrass himself out there until he feels that won’t happen.

Based off what Thomson said it’s more about his health. Which would be fine if they were like it’s not happening for like another 2-3 weeks to get him fully healthy. But they are talking about 3-4 days 

 

The Harper to 1st thing isn’t happening…need to give up that idea

 

 

1 hour ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

 

Recommended for Tommy John. Who could've guessed? It's like they borrowed the flyers' medical staff

Painter needing TJ surgery. Wow, who didn't see that coming? 

Shocking 

Horrible

 

 

Can thank sosa for this inning 

Painter needing TJ is the least shocking revelation since the sun rose this morning.  Looking at 2026 before he's contributing to the big league club.  2 years of no pitching with 2025 ascending the ranks and working out the kinks.  Total wild card and not a noteworthy elite prospect at this point.

Being a hyped top Phillies prospect is worse than the Madden curse.

Let's goooooo 

 

Hoffman has been great