October 25, 20232 yr An entire team fail. Kept relying on home runs and failing miserably with RISP. Can’t wait till next season to watch them do this all over again.
October 25, 20232 yr It’s harder when they underachieve. It would have been easier to swallow if they lost to the Braves
October 25, 20232 yr It’s all up to the Birds now. Flyers are gonna Flyer and the Sixers won’t even make the postseason so this sucks
October 25, 20232 yr I blame Thompson..... and the data miners. Lets put a kid that was in single A into high leverage situations. Lets not see a pitcher is gassed. Lets leave a pitcher in to face a guy that got 2 hits off him already in a risp situation. Lets not adjust a lineup because the L - R is more important. The guy has no feel for the game and cannot act what his eyes should be seeing and telling him. Most of this team will be coming back..... and they need a manager that can actually manage.
October 25, 20232 yr 1 minute ago, Steve 17 said: I blame Thompson..... and the data miners. Lets put a kid that was in single A into high leverage situations. Lets not see a pitcher is gassed. Lets leave a pitcher in to face a guy that got 2 hits off him already in a risp situation. Lets not adjust a lineup because the L - R is more important. The guy has no feel for the game and cannot act what his eyes should be seeing and telling him. Most of this team will be coming back..... and they need a manager that can actually manage. Calm down. Thomson has gotten to the World Series and then back to the NLCS in basically a year and a half of managing. Yeah, he made some mistakes this time around. But compared to Girardi and Kapler who never even got the team into the playoffs? I’m with Topper
October 25, 20232 yr 17 minutes ago, Dave Moss said: Calm down. Thomson has gotten to the World Series and then back to the NLCS in basically a year and a half of managing. Yeah, he made some mistakes this time around. But compared to Girardi and Kapler who never even got the team into the playoffs? I’m with Topper Thomson deserves blame for the loss here. He isn’t the only factor why they lost but he is definitely in the top five reasons if not top three why the Phillies lost this series. That said the biggest issue the Phillies have is hitting with runners in scoring position. How many times this year did we come on this thread and **** about them leaving guy stranded at second and third with like one out or less? The get bases loaded with one or no out and manage not to score. It was a problem from the end of the 2022 ws to the end of the nlcs. They had brief weeks where it looked different. Look for the majority of the year. It was that. This comes down to a couple of reasons. They missed Rhys who excelled in hitting with RISP. You need to go out and get a cleanup hitter behind Bryce Harper if you aren’t going to use schwarber there. This is series and the houston series were lost as soon as they figured out they would not allow bryce to beat them unless they had to throw to him. And another problem is that you need better from tree turner and Castellanos. You cannot pay them 20 million a year and 27 million a year to go one for last 18 and one for 24 for the series. I don’t care what they do with the lineup if those guys hit like that they aren’t winning.
October 25, 20232 yr 1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said: Thomson deserves blame for the loss here. He isn’t the only factor why they lost but he is definitely in the top five reasons if not top three why the Phillies lost this series. That said the biggest issue the Phillies have is hitting with runners in scoring position. How many times this year did we come on this thread and **** about them leaving guy stranded at second and third with like one out or less? The get bases loaded with one or no out and manage not to score. It was a problem from the end of the 2022 ws to the end of the nlcs. They had brief weeks where it looked different. Look for the majority of the year. It was that. This comes down to a couple of reasons. They missed Rhys who excelled in hitting with RISP. You need to go out and get a cleanup hitter behind Bryce Harper if you aren’t going to use schwarber there. This is series and the houston series were lost as soon as they figured out they would not allow bryce to beat them unless they had to throw to him. And another problem is that you need better from tree turner and Castellanos. You cannot pay them 20 million a year and 27 million a year to go one for last 18 and one for 24 for the series. I don’t care what they do with the lineup if those guys hit like that they aren’t winning. I agree Thomson lost the series. That being said, I think he’s a better manager than people give him credit for. His worst mistake tonight was letting Rojas hit with the bases loaded. Should have pinch hit for him in that spot.
October 25, 20232 yr 2 minutes ago, Dave Moss said: I agree Thomson lost the series. That being said, I think he’s a better manager than people give him credit for. His worst mistake tonight was letting Rojas hit with the bases loaded. Should have pinch hit for him in that spot. You don't keep a manager that loses the series. He did it last year as well. Get someone better.
October 25, 20232 yr Just now, Diehardfan said: You don't keep a manager that loses the series. He did it last year as well. Get someone better. Do you think the Braves should can their manager because he lost to the Phillies two years in a row?
October 25, 20232 yr 15 minutes ago, Dave Moss said: I agree Thomson lost the series. That being said, I think he’s a better manager than people give him credit for. His worst mistake tonight was letting Rojas hit with the bases loaded. Should have pinch hit for him in that spot. I am fine if they have Thomson as the manager. But he has to change cannot be stubborn, especially when it potentially cost you two years in a row. They likely still lost and they probably would’ve because the bats were just not good the last 2 games of this series. But you can’t sit there when you see guys struggling And not make changes. The Diamondbacks lost the first two games of the series and still made changes. They won 3 out of 4 games and change their lineup. That’s part of baseball. Calling it a panic move is complete BS. The Phillies didn’t have the same consistent lineup for 162 games. So why are you doing that now? A person that’s not gonna get the blame, that should is Dave Dombrowski. His acquisitions at the trade deadline provided nothing to this team in the postseason. Castro was awful from the time he got here until he was left off the playoff roster. Michael Lorenzen did absolutely nothing in the postseason besides pitch one time in a game they had no chance to win. We knew this team had issues with runners in scoring position. We knew we needed a bat to go in this lineup. We knew that the bullpen could use another arm to help them out with alavardo being banged up and dominguez, soto being inconsistent and kimbrel was overworked and showing signs of cracking. Instead, he didn’t get either one of those. It wound up being the ultimate demise as you had to use guys who were done or not ready for that spot.
October 25, 20232 yr 58 minutes ago, Dave Moss said: Do you think the Braves should can their manager because he lost to the Phillies two years in a row? Lost? No. If his decisions specifically resulted in them losing...yes. Robby T lost the series in your own words vs being out played.
October 25, 20232 yr 59 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said: A person that’s not gonna get the blame, that should is Dave Dombrowski. His acquisitions at the trade deadline provided nothing to this team in the postseason. Castro was awful from the time he got here until he was left off the playoff roster. Michael Lorenzen did absolutely nothing in the postseason besides pitch one time in a game they had no chance to win. We knew this team had issues with runners in scoring position. We knew we needed a bat to go in this lineup. We knew that the bullpen could use another arm to help them out with alavardo being banged up and dominguez, soto being inconsistent and kimbrel was overworked and showing signs of cracking. Instead, he didn’t get either one of those. It wound up being the ultimate demise as you had to use guys who were done or not ready for that spot. I think that's the result of the new MLB. Big trades at the trade deadline are a thing of the past now. More teams make the playoffs, and more teams are in the running for a playoff spot at the end of July, than it was in 2008 or 2009 when the Phillies made the World Series. Look at all the teams that didn't make the playoffs that were looking to be buyers at the deadline: San Francisco, Cincinnati, San Diego, Chicago Cubs, Seattle, Los Angeles Angels, and so on. That's 6 teams that are potentially buyers, plus the 12 that made the playoffs, for more than half the league being buyers and few teams selling. So you either give up big prospects to outbid 3 other teams, or you make a lateral move. It's a far cry from 8 playoff teams and another 4 teams being buyers at the deadline.
October 25, 20232 yr 11 minutes ago, xzmattzx said: I think that's the result of the new MLB. Big trades at the trade deadline are a thing of the past now. More teams make the playoffs, and more teams are in the running for a playoff spot at the end of July, than it was in 2008 or 2009 when the Phillies made the World Series. Look at all the teams that didn't make the playoffs that were looking to be buyers at the deadline: San Francisco, Cincinnati, San Diego, Chicago Cubs, Seattle, Los Angeles Angels, and so on. That's 6 teams that are potentially buyers, plus the 12 that made the playoffs, for more than half the league being buyers and few teams selling. So you either give up big prospects to outbid 3 other teams, or you make a lateral move. It's a far cry from 8 playoff teams and another 4 teams being buyers at the deadline. Eh i look at the dbacks. They got a closer Seward and Tommy Pham at the deadline. Both of those guys are helping them get to the nlcs. There might not be a big fish but there were moves to be made and the Phillies just didn’t want to pay the price for them. They settled on Castro and lorenzen. They wound up paying the price at the end cause they needed another BP piece and another bat.
October 25, 20232 yr 7 hours ago, Dave Moss said: Calm down. Thomson has gotten to the World Series and then back to the NLCS in basically a year and a half of managing. Yeah, he made some mistakes this time around. But compared to Girardi and Kapler who never even got the team into the playoffs? I’m with Topper Calm down ? I am calm. I see a manager that was not playing to his players strengths. I see a manager that cannot SEE what is happening on the field and react. I see a manager that makes his decisions based on data points.
October 25, 20232 yr 4 minutes ago, Steve 17 said: Calm down ? I am calm. I see a manager that was not playing to his players strengths. I see a manager that cannot SEE what is happening on the field and react. I see a manager that makes his decisions based on data points. we got business
October 25, 20232 yr If he didn’t adjust/change in game 7 of the NLCS after all those things went wrong in the previous games, I don’t see him changing. Time to move on.
October 25, 20232 yr On a team of supposedly superstar hitters, their approach at the plate for most of this series was to go up and try to pull everything 600 feet. It honestly looked like Arizona was the veteran team that had been in the moment before and the pitchers took advantage of our guys swinging out of their shoes. Arizona were better hitters, they deserved to move on.
October 25, 20232 yr 47 minutes ago, BirdsFanBill said: On a team of supposedly superstar hitters, their approach at the plate for most of this series was to go up and try to pull everything 600 feet. It honestly looked like Arizona was the veteran team that had been in the moment before and the pitchers took advantage of our guys swinging out of their shoes. Arizona were better hitters, they deserved to move on. That's the thing - the Phillies were better than them in every statistical category on offense this year (except maybe SB - not sure on that). They still lost - they got full of themselves and like you said, they all wanted to just hit homeruns. The Arizona pitchers adjusted, and our hitters didn't. Garrett Stubbs running his stupid mouth didn't help.
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