July 27, 20241 yr 16 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said: My bigger argument is what classifies as the best team in baseball? Are we talking about the roster being the best in baseball? Are we talking about how they’re playing being the best team in baseball? Are we talking about the best record? I can make the argument the Phillies have the best record and even roster in mlb. But when you play the most recent 1/3 of a season and go 27-25 and 20-20 in the last quarter of the season i have a hard time saying you are the best team in baseball. Injuries did not help them over this stretch. Credit they didn’t fall apart. but frankly they got more guys back, healthy and began playing worse. This feels far more like a consistency issue which they had last year and in 2022. Would it change your opinion if I told you that every world series champion from 1969 until 2019 had a 52 game stretch where they went 27-25 or worse at some point during the season? For instance, the 1980 Phillies had a stretch where they went 25-27. The 1998 Yankees (who finished 114-48 for the best record of any world series champion over those 51 seasons) had a stretch where they went 24-28.
July 27, 20241 yr 17 minutes ago, NothingClever said: Would it change your opinion if I told you that every world series champion from 1969 until 2019 had a 52 game stretch where they went 27-25 or worse at some point during the season? For instance, the 1980 Phillies had a stretch where they went 25-27. The 1998 Yankees (who finished 114-48 for the best record of any world series champion over those 51 seasons) had a stretch where they went 24-28. Id feel better. But i also know there’s teams that did great in April and May then never got back to that level. We can say there’s always been a team that’s won a WS with that type of stretch in season. But i can also likely find a team most years that had a really hot stretch for a quarter/third of a season that also didn’t win a ws. To me the issues the Phillies have aren’t new. It’s the same as last year that said i don’t think they are doomed to be this for the rest of the season. At some point i think they snap out of it. But right now i don’t think they are best team in baseball. Like i said before i think the Phillies have the same issues they had last year. They are wildly inconsistent with RISP which is what i discussed all last year (along with missing Rhys) and was evident in the playoffs as when the HRs stopped it got them. And last year they were way too heavily reliant on Alvarado, Hoffman, strahm and kimbrel. Kimbrel fell off second half and you basically had to hope kerkering a rookie could step up with minimal mlb experience in the playoffs. Right now you got 3 guys heavily relying on in Hoffman, strahm and kerkering. And the rest you hoping can step up (i think they get a RP so I’m less concerned with this area)
July 27, 20241 yr Hard to believe there is still a remnant of the Phillies trade for Cliff Lee. Carlos Carasco starts tonight at age 37. Phillies need to get the bats going.
July 27, 20241 yr 18 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said: Hard to believe there is still a remnant of the Phillies trade for Cliff Lee. Carlos Carasco starts tonight at age 37. Phillies need to get the bats going. People won’t actually admit it, but Reuben Amaro at the trade deadline did a fantastic job for the Phillies and giving them a chance to win a WS with a farm system that was largely middle of the road. Got Lee, Oswalt and pence. His biggest mistake during the 09-11 run might have been dealing Lee away when acquiring halladay
July 27, 20241 yr 26 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said: Id feel better. But i also know there’s teams that did great in April and May then never got back to that level. We can say there’s always been a team that’s won a WS with that type of stretch in season. But i can also likely find a team most years that had a really hot stretch for a quarter/third of a season that also didn’t win a ws. To me the issues the Phillies have aren’t new. It’s the same as last year that said i don’t think they are doomed to be this for the rest of the season. At some point i think they snap out of it. But right now i don’t think they are best team in baseball. Like i said before i think the Phillies have the same issues they had last year. They are wildly inconsistent with RISP which is what i discussed all last year (along with missing Rhys) and was evident in the playoffs as when the HRs stopped it got them. And last year they were way too heavily reliant on Alvarado, Hoffman, strahm and kimbrel. Kimbrel fell off second half and you basically had to hope kerkering a rookie could step up with minimal mlb experience in the playoffs. Right now you got 3 guys heavily relying on in Hoffman, strahm and kerkering. And the rest you hoping can step up (i think they get a RP so I’m less concerned with this area) I agree with everything that you said here- I'm counting on them trying to find 2 bullpen pieces (or maybe 1 and Sanchez gets some work out of the pen in the playoffs- heck, I'd take 2 and a few innings out of Sanchez). It would be amazing if they could get Alvarado right, or maybe he'll never reach that level and he is what he is right now. Honestly, I wish they had done more to keep Rhys. Certainly there would have been some defensive sacrifices, but he really worked pitchers and was always one of their more consistent hitters with RISP. I'm trying really hard to not get down on them, but they need to get their act together
July 27, 20241 yr 5 minutes ago, NothingClever said: I agree with everything that you said here- I'm counting on them trying to find 2 bullpen pieces (or maybe 1 and Sanchez gets some work out of the pen in the playoffs- heck, I'd take 2 and a few innings out of Sanchez). It would be amazing if they could get Alvarado right, or maybe he'll never reach that level and he is what he is right now. Honestly, I wish they had done more to keep Rhys. Certainly there would have been some defensive sacrifices, but he really worked pitchers and was always one of their more consistent hitters with RISP. I'm trying really hard to not get down on them, but they need to get their act together You’re preaching to the choir with rhys. I said they needed him and should’ve kept him. And letting Harper play right field or left field for one year was not gonna deteriorate him and destroy him for the future. It made more sense to bring back Rhys and let him play first base for a year because of the offense he brings and what he brings at the plate with his approach. They still haven’t replaced it. Rhy wasn’t just about the numbers and RH power. He was always one of the leaders in the league at seeing pitches. Which helps the rest of your team. Because the guy might get tired and make a mistake to the next hitter because he did that. Or he might make a mistake to the guy in front of him, knowing that he’s gonna be in a battle with Hoskins afterwards. To me, the Phillies kind of just discarded him like his void was filled and they didn’t realize they never actually replaced that bat in the lineup. He should be your 5 hole hitter right now. With the fact that Jt has hit 205 last year and 167 this year with runners in scoring position You have a hole in your 5 spot that could be settled with Rhys that really fixes your lineup
July 27, 20241 yr 12 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said: People won’t actually admit it, but Reuben Amaro at the trade deadline did a fantastic job for the Phillies and giving them a chance to win a WS with a farm system that was largely middle of the road. Got Lee, Oswalt and pence. His biggest mistake during the 09-11 run might have been dealing Lee away when acquiring halladay Definitely a mistake, but I don't think they had the players to offer in trade without sending him. Still can't believe that team only got 1 WS win, and with the weakest team of the bunch, IMO.
July 27, 20241 yr 2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said: Kopech and Robert Jr. for Mick Abel, Justin Crawford, Johan Rojas and Starlyn Caba. Toss in Griff McGarry if needed. Get it done, Dombro.
July 27, 20241 yr 17 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said: Definitely a mistake, but I don't think they had the players to offer in trade without sending him. Still can't believe that team only got 1 WS win, and with the weakest team of the bunch, IMO. Yup. The 08 team was definitely the weakest of them. I guess you could kind of make the argument for 09 because of Hamels not being what Hamels was for most of his career and lidge wasnt 08 lidge. but having Lee and Hamels. the belief that 1-2 punch was better than 08. The 2011 team is still the team that haunts me the most. That team was absolutely loaded. It might be from top to bottom the best team I’ve seen from the Phillies in my lifetime. You had four legitimate aces. Your lineup was very good. And yet somehow they lost to the Cardinals. And it all could’ve been avoided if they would’ve just finished the regular season differently.
July 27, 20241 yr 25 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said: Definitely a mistake, but I don't think they had the players to offer in trade without sending him. Still can't believe that team only got 1 WS win, and with the weakest team of the bunch, IMO. The 2008 team had a lot of elite hitters. Rollins, Victorino, Utley, and then Howard was very tough. Still had Pat the Bat too.
July 27, 20241 yr Hoskins is a sub par baseball player. He was not, nor ever was, the answer to solving the Phillies offensive woes.
July 27, 20241 yr 43 minutes ago, Blazehound said: Hoskins is a sub par baseball player. He was not, nor ever was, the answer to solving the Phillies offensive woes. He’s a far better option at 5 hole then JT who’s hitting .205 and .167 with RISP the last two years. Hoskins is far better option then everyone they keep putting into that spot. Go look at their numbers they’ve struggled at the spot which was supposed to be where he’d hit before his injury. they’d have their struggles cause he’s not a perfect player. but i laugh if you believe the offense isn’t better off right now with Rhys in this lineup then doing what they have the last two seasons since his injury. Clearly Castro and whit weren’t it. And they built that roster in 2023 to include him along with adding turner. Much harder lineup to navigate with a hoskins then having marsh, Stott or realmuto at the 5 hole. I’d say casty but when he gets hit he tends to be lower in the lineup just pointing out the last three years (playing 162 games) Hoskins was with the Phillies he averaged 29 home runs and 80 RBIs. It was supposed to be turner + hoskins for 2023. And if we make the argument Turner replaced hoskins then who replaced the stats Turner was going to give you with Hoskins? They really haven’t I also thought Todd zolecki made a really good point with Turner and his struggles last year. Bryce Harper was missing time early in the season and hoskins got hurt along with the contract that Turner got, he felt the pressure to have to step up and keep the Phillies a float with his bat. And got himself into a prolonged slump that he couldn’t really get himself out of until later in the year.
July 27, 20241 yr 52 minutes ago, Dave Moss said: The 2008 team had a lot of elite hitters. Rollins, Victorino, Utley, and then Howard was very tough. Still had Pat the Bat too. True, but they had Hamels and a bunch of spare parts for a pitching staff... oh, and Lidge. The 2009-2011 teams had Rollins, Victorino, Utley and Howard also... but with way better pitching. It just didn't work out for them as well. Baseball is a funny game like that.
July 27, 20241 yr I know the kid only had a couple starts so far but he's looked solid and it would be awesome if he could turn into a reliable 5th/6th starter. Walker was terrible this year and now Ranger is injured and was up in innings anyway compared to his previous years.
July 27, 20241 yr 2 minutes ago, John Blutarski said: I know the kid only had a couple starts so far but he's looked solid and it would be awesome if he could turn into a reliable 5th/6th starter. Walker was terrible this year and now Ranger is injured and was up in innings anyway compared to his previous years. Tbh part of the reason wouldn’t be surprised if they go get 4th/5th starter because they want to go to a six man rotation. If Phillips can be a fifth starter then all you have to do is get one in a trade or hope that walker can be that. I don’t think they trust Walker, so I’m guessing they would like to get one just to hold up. I would’ve said Turnbull, but I’m not sure he is a starter when he comes back even if it’s 1 starter per week. Add on been nothing about his return
July 27, 20241 yr Tyler Phillips has been a revelation. He's likely to get knocked around more as the book on him grows, but he's been special so far.
July 27, 20241 yr Just now, Iggles_Phan said: Tyler Phillips has been a revelation. He's likely to get knocked around more as the book on him grows, but he's been special so far. I like how he keeps his composure out there. Doesn’t get rattled. Very Ranger-esque when he first got to pitch in big spots
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