10 hours ago, downundermike said:

Not a meltdown , just giving these guys what they want.  It’s not about the team, it’s about 1 guy.  Unless you are face deep in his taint you are a accises of everything including being racist.  
 

They actually care more about being right than anything else.

I want the Philadelphia Eagles led by Jalen Hurts to win a Super Bowl, but it is bigger than one guy who thinks he is Michael Jordan before he has won a damn thing.

Nobody is saying Hurts is the Michael Jordan of the NFL.  

We all agree that the sport is bigger than one guy. No one would argue that (outside of New England a few years ago maybe?)

What we are all saying is that Hurts IS capable of winning for this team, and instead of dumping him and picking up someone elses FA left over OR taking a huge gamble on a college QB, we should be grateful that this franchise has a QB that can help make this team a perennial Super Bowl contender.  Isn't that all anyone really wants?  I mean that Tom Brady run was crazy, but even Mahomes only won one ring.  With that team, that talent and that offense, he's got one.  Aaron Rogers, yup, just one too.  With all that talent, they haven't been able to win more than once. 

Let's not place the bar at winning a Super Bowl to determine if a QB is any good.  If you really believe that this sport is bigger than one guy, then you can't possibly believe that should be the litmus test.

 

2 hours ago, greend said:

At this point Hurts has proven himself to be a very good qb and Wentz isn't capable of being a starter. I stood up for Wentz but I won't anymore and if you can't let go and realize that many of us were wrong about Hurts then you have become the trolls.

Hurts can throw very well and run when needed. I would like to see more throwing and less running to preserve his career 

That will probably be the next planned steps in his development, gradually running less and throwing more.

54 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

I would love to see Hurts destroy this myth --- have a long career doing what he does.

I would rather he have a long career and continue at a high level then worry about proving or not proving a "myth". I'll bet you loved the Chicago game.

1 minute ago, greend said:

I would rather he have a long career and continue at a high level then worry about proving or not proving a "myth". I'll bet you loved the Chicago game.

I'm always on the fence with these guys. I completely understand the odds of injury go up playing this was. I also think you do what you need to do to win and QBs get hit in the pocket and injured all the time. 

Wilson (with regards to keeping himself safe and still using mobility) probably did it the best during his "run", but there have not been a lot of guys who can pull that off.

7 minutes ago, Boogyman said:

I'm always on the fence with these guys. I completely understand the odds of injury go up playing this was. I also think you do what you need to do to win and QBs get hit in the pocket and injured all the time. 

Wilson (with regards to keeping himself safe and still using mobility) probably did it the best during his "run", but there have not been a lot of guys who can pull that off.

Sure you need to win. I get that. One thing Hurts has done this year I think is slide quicker and not try to fight for a few more yards. You can still run, win, and be smart all at the same time. I never want to see the idiocracy of the Chicago game again. Hurts trying to pound it ahead for 3 or 4 yards at a time was ridiculous. 

7 minutes ago, greend said:

Sure you need to win. I get that. One thing Hurts has done this year I think is slide quicker and not try to fight for a few more yards. You can still run, win, and be smart all at the same time. I never want to see the idiocracy of the Chicago game again. Hurts trying to pound it ahead for 3 or 4 yards at a time was ridiculous. 

Yup. Said many times he played a stupid game in Chicago. The first two plays were QB keepers, and aside from the 22 yard TD run where there was no defender in sight, his runs were mostly for minimal gain into the teeth of the defense. Optically, it looked like he played as if Parson’s comments really did get in his head. 
 

I’m not suggesting he needs bubble wrapped. His ability to run is a great asset in addition to his great improvement as a passer, but he needs to run smart, not be a battering ram. 

8 minutes ago, EagleJoe8 said:

Yup. Said many times he played a stupid game in Chicago. The first two plays were QB keepers, and aside from the 22 yard TD run where there was no defender in sight, his runs were mostly for minimal gain into the teeth of the defense. Optically, it looked like he played as if Parson’s comments really did get in his head. 
 

I’m not suggesting he needs bubble wrapped. His ability to run is a great asset in addition to his great improvement as a passer, but he needs to run smart, not be a battering ram. 

Yep, 16 carries for 39 yards minus the wide open run.  2.4 per carry.

7 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Yep, 16 carries for 39 yards minus the wide open run.  2.4 per carry.

And an injury that could have cost us dearly in the playoffs

This thread makes me think of Groundskeep Willie when he goes on that rant about Scots, and how they fight with everyone, then with themselves. Replace Scots with Eagles Fans and you have this thread summed up beautifully

Well that was an entertaining couple of pages lol

Hurts is the worstest qb in the usfl 

There was a few times against the Giants where I thought the better decision was to give the ball to Scott instead of keep runs. He chose to take it and didn’t get yards, but this was still an effective play, because he’s forcing the defense to be honest. They can’t simply crash down on the back. He has to occasionally take those runs. He has to keep doing a good job of protecting himself when he does. He didn’t do that against the Bears, but he did an outstanding job of it against the Giants. Injuries are going to happen to players though. That’s why Mahomes has an ankle sprain right now. Stuff happens, because this is football. He’s never going to prevent all possibilities of injury. It’s simply not realistic and right now he’s still learning to, do enough to keep a play going but also getting rid of it when the play isn’t there. Bottom line he can completely give up running just like McNabb did, but it won’t prevent him from getting injured like it didn’t prevent McNabb from getting injured. 

49ers Defensive player arrested on Domestic Violence charge. 

SF 49ers' Charles Omenihu arrested on domestic violence allegation in SJ: police

https://www.nfl.com/news/niners-de-charles-omenihu-arrested-on-charge-of-misdemeanor-domestic-violence

13 minutes ago, jsdarkstar said:

49ers Defensive player arrested on Domestic Violence charge. 

SF 49ers' Charles Omenihu arrested on domestic violence allegation in SJ: police

 

Why post that here? Lol

3 hours ago, Mike030270 said:

Why post that here? Lol

I did the same thing yesterday. The conversations from the Blog thread and this one often trend the same and you forget where you are lol.

10 hours ago, Shalodeep said:

Myth? It's literally what has happened to every run heavy QB up to this point....that's a statistical fact at the moment. Even if he has a long successful career being a 60/40 kinda guy, he would be an outlier, not the new rule 

Please name some names. Who are these run heavy QBs that had short careers because of their running? Tebow didn't exit the NFL because of injuries, it was because he never progressed as a passer at this level. In other words, it was because of talent, not durability. Cam Newton isn't out of the NFL because of durability, but because he wasn't getting the job done. You have no way of knowing how durable a player is until his career is over. 

I can't wait to see the names that contributed to your "statistical fact." In the modern NFL, there really haven't been very many "run heavy" QBs. So there really isn't any data except for the continuing careers of L. Jackson, Josh Allen, Jalen Hurts and possibly Justin Fields. Elway  McNabb, Vick, S. Young, and Cunningham all had lengthy careers. Kordell Stewart even had 11 seasons as an NFL QB and he wasn't really all that good. 11 seasons is more than twice the average QB career length. Show me your data, please. 

9 hours ago, greend said:

I would rather he have a long career and continue at a high level then worry about proving or not proving a "myth". I'll bet you loved the Chicago game.

As a fan of football, I absolutely loved Hurts' effort in the Chicago game. We needed that win and one more to lock up the #1 seed. I'd rather my QB play like Hurts did than this:

 

 

 

9 hours ago, Boogyman said:

Yup and that one interception was a tightly covered throw, but he hit AJ right in the hands before it got deflected up.

10 hours ago, brkmsn said:

As a fan of football, I absolutely loved Hurts' effort in the Chicago game. We needed that win and one more to lock up the #1 seed. I'd rather my QB play like Hurts did than this:

 

 

 

Cool, what about he doesn't keep bashing himself against the d line and we win anyways and he doesn't get injured. That's what I would rather see. I mean we came real close to losing the #1 seed because he killed himself against the bears

11 hours ago, brkmsn said:

Please name some names. Who are these run heavy QBs that had short careers because of their running? Tebow didn't exit the NFL because of injuries, it was because he never progressed as a passer at this level. In other words, it was because of talent, not durability. Cam Newton isn't out of the NFL because of durability, but because he wasn't getting the job done. You have no way of knowing how durable a player is until his career is over. 

I can't wait to see the names that contributed to your "statistical fact." In the modern NFL, there really haven't been very many "run heavy" QBs. So there really isn't any data except for the continuing careers of L. Jackson, Josh Allen, Jalen Hurts and possibly Justin Fields. Elway  McNabb, Vick, S. Young, and Cunningham all had lengthy careers. Kordell Stewart even had 11 seasons as an NFL QB and he wasn't really all that good. 11 seasons is more than twice the average QB career length. Show me your data, please. 

1) Stewart started only 7 seasons with only 3 of those seasons all 16. 2 of those seasons under 7 wins

2) vick only had 6 seasons where he started more than 11 games and he was just a floating backup the end of his career. 

3) Cunningham only had 7 season with more than 11 games and extended his career throwing. I feel he really is one of the acceptions to the running rule

4) McNabb started 8 seasons of more than 11 games. He is known for changing his game from running to passing 

5) Lamar, Kyle, and hurts have all missed games in the last two seasons due to injuries. 

I guess I've worded it too generic. They lose availability and effectiveness much quicker than those who stay in pocket. Better? They survive in this league off of pure physical assets and hoping to squeeze a miracle game out of them from time to time. Look at vick floating around as a back up and coming off the couch cam. This style kills careers 

 

Due to Jalen and the Eagles amazing Success this year.   Both of his former Colleges fans are arguing about who gets to "Claim" him.  LOL.   What I find funny is during the season on Sunday Night Football and Monday Night Football when they showed the Offense introduction, Jalen would say, "Channelview High School" instead of either College,  Jalen has played in so many huge games in College.   Anyways, Today is Jalen's First  NFC Championship Press Conference.   Hopefully this is the first of many more to come.   

21 minutes ago, Shalodeep said:

1) Stewart started only 7 seasons with only 3 of those seasons all 16. 2 of those seasons under 7 wins

2) vick only had 6 seasons where he started more than 11 games and he was just a floating backup the end of his career. 

3) Cunningham only had 7 season with more than 11 games and extended his career throwing. I feel he really is one of the acceptions to the running rule

4) McNabb started 8 seasons of more than 11 games. He is known for changing his game from running to passing 

5) Lamar, Kyle, and hurts have all missed games in the last two seasons due to injuries. 

I guess I've worded it too generic. They lose availability and effectiveness much quicker than those who stay in pocket. Better? They survive in this league off of pure physical assets and hoping to squeeze a miracle game out of them from time to time. Look at vick floating around as a back up and coming off the couch cam. This style kills careers 

1) Stewart's career wasn't hampered by injuries, just performance. 

2) Everybody knows why Vick's career was really shortened and why most teams wouldn't touch him after that.

3) Cunningham missed most of his game time as a starter because of injuries sustained in the pocket, not as a runner. 

5) I guess those are the only QBs that got hurt. Why just two years? They've all been here longer. 

Not much different than his last ankle injury:

More from Mahomes as a passer:

Garoppolo trying to avoid a sack:

At least 4 starting QBs missed game time this season due to finger or thumb injuries sustained while throwing passes. 

... every Tua Tagovailoa injury ...

2 hours ago, greend said:

Cool, what about he doesn't keep bashing himself against the d line and we win anyways and he doesn't get injured. That's what I would rather see. I mean we came real close to losing the #1 seed because he killed himself against the bears

We needed him to do what he did to win that game vs the bears. Everybody is making a huge deal about a shoulder strain that was between grade 1 and 2 (out of 6). The injury gave Hurts some pain which he played through in the Bears game. The Eagle almost lost the #1 seed because they thought they could start resting Hurts early and still win. 

 

I don't understand why it's so important to people that we make Hurts into something he is not (one dimensional). 

10 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

We needed him to do what he did to win that game vs the bears. Everybody is making a huge deal about a shoulder strain that was between grade 1 and 2 (out of 6). The injury gave Hurts some pain which he played through in the Bears game. The Eagle almost lost the #1 seed because they thought they could start resting Hurts early and still win. 

 

I don't understand why it's so important to people that we make Hurts into something he is not (one dimensional). 

Nobody wants him to be a pure pocket passer. But running the ball 17, 18 times a game in multiple games is not sustainable. He’s already missed games in his first two years as a full starter. 
 

I posted a while back a number of QBs "hit rates”….Hurts was around 33%; that is 1 in 3 plays ended with him having the ball in his hand or taking a hit on a pass.

Lamar was in the high 30s, Fields a ridiculous 50%. Allen was around 27, and then most of the pack (Burrow, Mahomes, Herbert, etc) were around 20-25%. Brady was an absurd 12%.

So personally, I’d like to see Hurts lower that percentage to around 25. Hopefully his passing improves even more so he doesn’t need to take as many hits, inside or outside the pocket