8 minutes ago, MF POON said:

He could just as well get hurt in the pocket. Mahomes wasn't running when he got hurt this past weekend.  

You are more than twice as likely to get hurt outside of the pocket.

2 hours ago, Shalodeep said:

Who has said that since the season started all the way back in September?? Guys really stuck in the past on here when almost everyone has said the kid has the stuff to be a long time starting QB. 

Seriously? There are posts in the last few pages saying he needs to improve as a passer and run significantly less - see below - which is nonsense on both counts.

He's already developed into a terrific passer and his mobility is his game. If you reduce his called runs by 25% he becomes much less effective across the board.  The concern about injuries because he theoretically takes more hits is misguided. Quarterbacks get hit when they run, when they're sacked and sometimes they get hurt when there's no contact at all.

22 minutes ago, greend said:

I don't understand why you assume he can't pass well enough to be more of a pocket passer and doesn't need to run and get hurt. That said of course there are times when he needs to run it just doesn't need to be a big part of the offense. The guy can throw and throws very well. 

Because that's not his game. See above. 

2 minutes ago, Hawkeye said:

Seriously? There are posts in the last few pages saying he needs to improve as a passer and run significantly less.  That's nonsense on both counts.

Quote one.  People want him to stay in the pocket and pass more, no one said he needs to improve.

25 minutes ago, Hawkeye said:

Seriously? There are posts in the last few pages saying he needs to improve as a passer and run significantly less - see below - which is nonsense on both counts.

He's already developed into a terrific passer and his mobility is his game. If you reduce his called runs by 25% he becomes much less effective across the board.  The concern about injuries because he theoretically takes more hits is misguided. Quarterbacks get hit when they run, when they're sacked and sometimes they get hurt when there's no contact at all.

Because that's not his game. See above. 

But it is his game. He's one heck of a passer. Sooo much improved over last year that it's almost unbelievable. Reads the field very well. Goes through his progressions. Throws accurately. Sorry but he doesn't need to do 3 yards and a cloud of dust very often.

I'm a big converted believer in Hurts and I'm not going to pigeon hole him in as a guy that has to run very often.

39 minutes ago, Hawkeye said:

Seriously? There are posts in the last few pages saying he needs to improve as a passer and run significantly less - see below - which is nonsense on both counts.

He's already developed into a terrific passer and his mobility is his game. If you reduce his called runs by 25% he becomes much less effective across the board.  The concern about injuries because he theoretically takes more hits is misguided. Quarterbacks get hit when they run, when they're sacked and sometimes they get hurt when there's no contact at all.

Because that's not his game. See above. 

There’s no "theory” about it. He does take more hits than every starting QB aside from Lamar and Fields. No other QB is above 30%. That includes QB hits, sacks and QB runs. All three QBs, Hurts, Fields and Lamar missed games this year. Lamar and Hurts both missed time last year too. And if Fields keeps up that ridiculous number of his (50%), he’ll assuredly get injured next year too

50 minutes ago, Hawkeye said:

Seriously? There are posts in the last few pages saying he needs to improve as a passer and run significantly less - see below - which is nonsense on both counts.

He's already developed into a terrific passer and his mobility is his game. If you reduce his called runs by 25% he becomes much less effective across the board.  The concern about injuries because he theoretically takes more hits is misguided. Quarterbacks get hit when they run, when they're sacked and sometimes they get hurt when there's no contact at all.

Because that's not his game. See above. 

Then he will have a career shortened and riddled with injuries. People forget that Rodgers could of hauled ass all the time but doesn't. Why? Because it's dangerous and isn't as effective as a pass. What's more likely? A receiver gets behind a defense and a QB delivers, or a QB/RB runs through 11 men and score? Passing is the safest option to extend careers and protect them.

1 minute ago, Shalodeep said:

Then he will have a career shortened and riddled with injuries. People forget that Rodgers could of hauled ass all the time but doesn't. Why? Because it's dangerous and isn't as effective as a pass 

Also, consider the investment made at WR, TE and the o line. You couldn’t ask for a better setup as a QB. 

The respect for his running ability is enough to change the way the defense plays him. He doesn't actually have to take off 12-17 times a game. He has grown as a passer. Hopefully he is smarter than his damn fans and learns to adjust to save himself 

54 minutes ago, Shalodeep said:

The respect for his running ability is enough to change the way the defense plays him. He doesn't actually have to take off 12-17 times a game. He has grown as a passer. Hopefully he is smarter than his damn fans and learns to adjust to save himself 

He ran it 9 times against the Giants.  Looking at the stats from this season, he had over 10 attempts in 7 games, and under 10 in 7 games. So, it's not every single game.  I'm fine with him running, I just want him to avoid contact more often

7 hours ago, KINGnabb said:

 

Due to Jalen and the Eagles amazing Success this year.   Both of his former Colleges fans are arguing about who gets to "Claim" him.  LOL.   What I find funny is during the season on Sunday Night Football and Monday Night Football when they showed the Offense introduction, Jalen would say, "Channelview High School" instead of either College,  Jalen has played in so many huge games in College.   Anyways, Today is Jalen's First  NFC Championship Press Conference.   Hopefully this is the first of many more to come.   

It’s actually very silly!

Jalen spent 3 years at Alabama, won a National Championship and 2 SEC championships at Alabama, he won SEC player of the year at Bama and graduated from Alabama.

He was a 1 year graduate transfer to Oklahoma which Coach Saban encouraged him to do to increase his playing time to prepare for draft. All Alabama fans supported his move and became OK fans that year.

Jalen is Built by Bama!

13 minutes ago, MF POON said:

He ran it 9 times against the Giants.  Looking at the stats from this season, he had over 10 attempts in 7 games, and under 10 in 7 games. So, it's not every single game.  I'm fine with him running, I just want him to avoid contact more often

10 carries is still a lot. Most backup rbs don't get that many touches a game 

18 minutes ago, Shalodeep said:

10 carries is still a lot. Most backup rbs don't get that many touches a game 

Jalen Hurts is tied for 37th in carries per game.  So 32 starting RB's and 4 back up RB's have more carries per game.

He had more carries per game than AJ Dillon, Kareem Hunt, D'Andre Swift, Melvin Gordon.

30 minutes ago, Bamabird said:

It’s actually very silly!

Jalen spent 3 years at Alabama, won a National Championship and 2 SEC championships at Alabama, he won SEC player of the year at Bama and graduated from Alabama.

He was a 1 year graduate transfer to Oklahoma which Coach Saban encouraged him to do to increase his playing time to prepare for draft. All Alabama fans supported his move and became OK fans that year.

Jalen is Built by Bama!

I remember when he was on the Manning Cast, he had a painting on the wall of him with both schools.  I think Jalen is proud of his career at both Colleges but yes he did graduate from Alabama and played there the majority of his College career.   But I think some are debating that his success at Oklahoma set him up to be drafted higher in the NFL.   

 

37 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Jalen Hurts is tied for 37th in carries per game.  So 32 starting RB's and 4 back up RB's have more carries per game.

He had more carries per game than AJ Dillon, Kareem Hunt, D'Andre Swift, Melvin Gordon.

Swift and Dillon shock me 

2 hours ago, KINGnabb said:

I remember when he was on the Manning Cast, he had a painting on the wall of him with both schools.  I think Jalen is proud of his career at both Colleges but yes he did graduate from Alabama and played there the majority of his College career.   But I think some are debating that his success at Oklahoma set him up to be drafted higher in the NFL.   

 

No doubt OK helped him. But in that shot I see Jalen wearing his Bama uniform 2 times and OK uniform once! Lol

Honestly, he didn’t develop into the QB he is today without the the Eagles and his own determination to be better!

Still Built by Bama!

9 hours ago, TorontoEagle said:

Nobody wants him to be a pure pocket passer. But running the ball 17, 18 times a game in multiple games is not sustainable. He’s already missed games in his first two years as a full starter. 
 

I posted a while back a number of QBs "hit rates”….Hurts was around 33%; that is 1 in 3 plays ended with him having the ball in his hand or taking a hit on a pass.

Lamar was in the high 30s, Fields a ridiculous 50%. Allen was around 27, and then most of the pack (Burrow, Mahomes, Herbert, etc) were around 20-25%. Brady was an absurd 12%.

So personally, I’d like to see Hurts lower that percentage to around 25. Hopefully his passing improves even more so he doesn’t need to take as many hits, inside or outside the pocket

The post you made earlier was interesting, but it wasn't super accurate as it assumed every run to be a "hit" which they are not. Hurts runs out of bounds and slides often. Sometimes he fights for a TD or a 1st down, but a majority of his runs are hitless. You did make a disclaimer about the victory formation "runs," but once again you inaccurately dismissed them as something everybody has. Not every team was leading in the 4th quarter game after game. Hurts alone had , I believe, 15 victory formation runs in the 4th quarter alone. I never checked how many he had in the 2nd quarter on top of those (probably a couple more). 

Like I said, your post was interesting, but not completely accurate. I appreciate the attempt you made. 

Another thing your post didn't take into consideration was how often Hurts' running might prevent a hit that another, less mobile QB would have taken. Garoppolo's injury happened because he got hit in the pocket, and then ran out of the pocket attempting to break the tackle while a defender was bringing him down. Hurts probably escapes that unscathed with a run out of bounds for a positive gain. 

5 hours ago, greend said:

I don't understand why you assume he can't pass well enough to be more of a pocket passer and doesn't need to run and get hurt. That said of course there are times when he needs to run it just doesn't need to be a big part of the offense. The guy can throw and throws very well. 

That's a strawman. I think Hurts is a terrific passer. I also think he's a dynamic runner and the combination is nearly impossible for modern defenses to contain. By doing both, Hurts opens things up for all the playmakers. 

Some people just get stuck in bad takes. Don’t be like this 🤡 and double down on stupid. 

33 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

Some people just get stuck in bad takes. Don’t be like this 🤡 and double down on stupid. 

I really hope the giants extend jones for 6 or 7 years (all guaranteed) since he's so awesome. That way Chrissie can keep rooting for his daddy's old team.

4 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

Some people just get stuck in bad takes. Don’t be like this 🤡 and double down on stupid. 

That guy is so unbearable. I can't even watch PFT because of him. He talks like he is really knowledge but he's not. He's just an arrogant ass hat. 

10 hours ago, Shalodeep said:

Swift and Dillon shock me 

 

8 hours ago, brkmsn said:

That's a strawman. I think Hurts is a terrific passer. I also think he's a dynamic runner and the combination is nearly impossible for modern defenses to contain. By doing both, Hurts opens things up for all the playmakers. 

My take on this:

1) Swift was banged up all year and Dillon was the clear second back to Jones in a dysfunctional offense. Don’t be shocked.

2) In any case you can’t compare RB carries to QB carries. Kneel downs are pretty low risk. Hurts generally protects himself well when he runs.

3) Hurts’s career may be shorter than a traditional pocket passer. But even if he lasts until early 30s we still have our franchise QB for the next 6-8 years hopefully.

4) Hurts has missed 3 out of 40 games. That’s not bad.

4) With all that being said, as Hurts is our franchise QB it does make sense to look at protecting him as much as possible and looking at reducing his carries to say 8-9 per game makes sense. He is also getting hit too much in the pocket.

5 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

Some people just get stuck in bad takes. Don’t be like this 🤡 and double down on stupid. 

Never trust a person without eyebrows.

2 hours ago, ManchesterEagle said:

 

My take on this:

1) Swift was banged up all year and Dillon was the clear second back to Jones in a dysfunctional offense. Don’t be shocked.

2) In any case you can’t compare RB carries to QB carries. Kneel downs are pretty low risk. Hurts generally protects himself well when he runs.

3) Hurts’s career may be shorter than a traditional pocket passer. But even if he lasts until early 30s we still have our franchise QB for the next 6-8 years hopefully.

4) Hurts has missed 3 out of 40 games. That’s not bad.

4) With all that being said, as Hurts is our franchise QB it does make sense to look at protecting him as much as possible and looking at reducing his carries to say 8-9 per game makes sense. He is also getting hit too much in the pocket.

That's pretty much my point. protect him so he doesn't follow the same cam path. Missing 3 games may be a lot at 24, but it's back to back season getting nicked. That's how all the downfalls begin. I think he can be better than cam because he plays smarter. I think he'll adjust his game because he isn't an idiot. He honors the McNabb's and Vicks, but he studies and talks to the Brady and Manning type. That isn't a coincidence 

This thread is turning into a football version of the NY Times pitchbot. 

"The Eagles and their league-leading offense are getting ready to play in the NFC championship game, but here in Talk About The Eagles, fans are wondering, is Jalen Hurts' playing style going to be a problem three years from now?"