17 hours ago, NOTW said:

The business side of things is often seen differently by fans vs players.  Fans think these players should take less, be loyal to the team and call them entitled if they negotiate.  The players can be traded, cut, get injured, have long-term health problems, etc.  They put their bodies out there for entertainment.  Their careers aren't very long.  When you start saying players are "too old" when they're 30 that tells you something.  Players often have 1 shot at the big contract.  

If you have that kind of skill and value to a company that they would give you big money, you wouldn't turn it down.  Would you offer to take a pay cut so your company could hire more workers to help the company be a success?  Would you turn down a big raise because you don't want to be seen as spoiled or entitled?

 

17 hours ago, judunno said:

Well said... for our entertainment these dudes shorten their life spans and won't be able to walk without a limp when they're in their late 40s. Deion Sanders has like 3 toes on one foot now. F that... get that money for the pain and suffering that is to come.

Frankly it’s not our money and we don’t have to worry about figuring out how to pay these guys. Thanks Howie’s job and I’m never going to rip any player for getting money. It’s the fault of the owner/GM if they overpaid for a guy. 

21 hours ago, judunno said:

They all get their first contract man. Come on now. 2nd contract they can start considering that stuff.

I'm not arguing that Hurts doesn't deserve a top contract. I'm simply looking at a perspective that says if a good player is on a successful team, he can potentially make more money with his contract and endorsements than if he's just a top paid player on a bad team. Brady made over  $140M in endorsements through his career. Mahomes will shatter that amount by the time he is done. It's something that a smart person should consider. You are still getting paid.

 

As for their job being "entertainment" --- who cares? Don't regular people put their lives, bodies, health on the line every day for regular pay? Once again, I believe he deserves to be a top paid player at his position. I just think it would be careless to not consider the factors that determine endorsement income as well. Dak Prescott makes over $10M/year in endorsements and has made over $50M to date --- And he was chosen more because he plays for the media's darling. 

13 hours ago, 91defense said:

I guess you're right. It's the vast minority. But you don't have to search too hard to find a few, like this Talonblood fellow.

 

13 hours ago, SB52 said:

Anyone who wasn’t a doubter after the TB game is an idiot.

His work ethic and determination are off the charts. This type of turn around (including Josh Allen. His turnaround isn’t close) has never happened before. I’m glad it happened. What a leader.

The thing for me last offseason was not the doubters but those who were writing off Hurts. I agree, you couldn’t be sure at that point and the Eagles weren’t sure either. But he had a better season last year than a lot of people gave him credit for and the potential was there imo. 

I’d say it was a pretty similar jump to Allen. They were both given number 1 receivers and took a huge step up 
 

 

Hurts is going to get paid, the market is what it is, the NFLPA will piss and moan about any contract that looks low ball.

You can back load a QB's first post rookie contract, I'd like to see Howie consider a longer deal a la Mahomes at the Chiefs, you have certainty of spend at a crucial position for the long term instead of having to set the market again every 3 or 4 years, Mahomes will look Brady cheap in a few years.

1 hour ago, ManchesterEagle said:

 

The thing for me last offseason was not the doubters but those who were writing off Hurts. I agree, you couldn’t be sure at that point and the Eagles weren’t sure either. But he had a better season last year than a lot of people gave him credit for and the potential was there imo. 

I’d say it was a pretty similar jump to Allen. They were both given number 1 receivers and took a huge step up 
 

 

I think it was more than fair to doubt Hurts after last season, but I agree the people who completely wrote him off were the major problem. Neither here nor there now, because Jalen has proven he belongs up there with the best in the league. The biggest game in football he didn’t act like he was overwhelmed at all. He’s the best quarterback in the division and top five overall.

Any ranking of 2022 QBs with Hurts below 2 is agenda. You are free to like Burrow in some rookie year to now ranking or internally motivated future projections but Hurts outplayed him in 2022. Hurts had a fantastic SB. It was the highest rated passing SB since PFF started tracking in 2006. He was 2nd overall at QB in a SB behind only Foles.

He was also the 2nd team all-pro behind Mahomes. He was 2nd in MVP voting. He was 2nd in passer rating among QBs who started and finished 12+ games.

Burrow was behind him in passer rating.

Hurts was 16-2 in games he started. Burrow was 14-5

He ran for 18 rushing TDs this year.

But he fumbled! Burrow threw 2 picks vs KC.

 

Personal feelings are meaningless. Hurst was the evidence based 2nd best QB in the league this year.

 

Is he top 5? That's a conversation for guys like Tua, or Herbert, or Lawrence.

4 minutes ago, SkippyX said:

Any ranking of 2022 QBs with Hurts below 2 is agenda. You are free to like Burrow in some rookie year to now ranking or internally motivated future projections but Hurts outplayed him in 2022. Hurts had a fantastic SB. It was the highest rated passing SB since PFF started tracking in 2006. He was 2nd overall at QB in a SB behind only Foles.

He was also the 2nd team all-pro behind Mahomes. He was 2nd in MVP voting. He was 2nd in passer rating among QBs who started and finished 12+ games.

Burrow was behind him in passer rating.

Hurts was 16-2 in games he started. Burrow was 14-5

He ran for 18 rushing TDs this year.

But he fumbled! Burrow threw 2 picks vs KC.

 

Personal feelings are meaningless. Hurst was the evidence based 2nd best QB in the league this year.

 

Is he top 5? That's a conversation for guys like Tua, or Herbert, or Lawrence.

And this other facade about Jalen being injury prone or has some lack of availability. Jalen has taken every playoff snap for every playoffs game he’s been in except garbage time snaps to Minshew. Our last quarterback took six playoff snaps in five years of work, but you would think according to some Hurts is more injury prone and missing more games than that dude. Seriously what are we doing here? Why is any of this up for any kind of debate? The case is closed. There are no more arguments that need to be made. Jalen Hurts is the quarterback of the Philadelphia Eagles and that’s it. If anyone wants someone else then it’s time to switch teams. 

24 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

And this other facade about Jalen being injury prone or has some lack of availability. Jalen has taken every playoff snap for every playoffs game he’s been in except garbage time snaps to Minshew. Our last quarterback took six playoff snaps in five years of work, but you would think according to some Hurts is more injury prone and missing more games than that dude. Seriously what are we doing here? Why is any of this up for any kind of debate? The case is closed. There are no more arguments that need to be made. Jalen Hurts is the quarterback of the Philadelphia Eagles and that’s it. If anyone wants someone else then it’s time to switch teams. 

Disagree EE. Hurts is injury prone but I think it’s largely due to the style of our offense. We can’t hide our head in the sand about that (and it’s likely not his fault entirely). If he wants to last in this league, he can’t maintain the level of physicality he invites as evinced by the past two seasons.
 

There should be little reason for him rushing nearly 20x in a regular season game nor should he expect him (or any NFL player for that matter) to remain healthy under those conditions. 

18 minutes ago, Thrive said:

Disagree EE. Hurts is injury prone but I think it’s largely due to the style of our offense. We can’t hide our head in the sand about that (and it’s likely not his fault entirely). If he wants to last in this league, he can’t maintain the level of physicality he invites as evinced by the past two seasons.
 

There should be little reason for him rushing nearly 20x in a regular season game nor should he expect him (or any NFL player for that matter) to remain healthy under those conditions. 

If Hurts is injury prone for missing two games this season, pretty much every QB ever is injury prone.

How many QBs do you think can last through 20 games without any injury at all? And even if, I’d say he’s just gotten lucky.

23 minutes ago, Thrive said:

Disagree EE. Hurts is injury prone but I think it’s largely due to the style of our offense. We can’t hide our head in the sand about that (and it’s likely not his fault entirely). If he wants to last in this league, he can’t maintain the level of physicality he invites as evinced by the past two seasons.
 

There should be little reason for him rushing nearly 20x in a regular season game nor should he expect him (or any NFL player for that matter) to remain healthy under those conditions. 

Yeah I’d hardly call Hurts injury prone. He never showed in college to lose a lot of games due to injury. Last year he sprained his ankle and missed one game. This year he sprained his shoulder and missed two games. They hoped he would miss three, but the reality is Jalen could have played on the injury if he needed to. He threw on the injury during the game he was injured. The Eagles didn’t play him because they had the luxury not to. Conversely if Jalen say tore his knee up and the next year broke his back then I could certainly see why he would be considered "injury prone.” Mahomes played on an injury worse than Jalen’s leg injury last season. They played him because they had to. Jalen was no different. These are sprains and not breaks or complete ligament separations. Overall people are making way too much out of Jalen’s injuries. I’ve seen guys get hurt worse than Jalen running far less than Jalen. We saw that in the Championship game for the 49ers.

15 minutes ago, Infam said:

If Hurts is injury prone for missing two games this season, pretty much every QB ever is injury prone.

How many QBs do you think can last through 20 games without any injury at all? And even if, I’d say he’s just gotten lucky.

Purdy hurt his shoulder dropping back to throw a pass. I guess that means the 49ers should only pass 10-16 times a game to protect him from injury too! 

3 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

Purdy hurt his shoulder dropping back to throw a pass. I guess that means the 49ers should only pass 10-16 times a game to protect him from injury too! 

It’s absurd. If there is one QB that is certainly not injury prone, it’s Hurts.

What kind of contract will he get?

I don't think teams are going to allow the Watson contract to be the norm

FWIW 

 

3 minutes ago, Thrive said:

FWIW 

 

That's what everyone is expecting. Although it's more about the guarantees 

3 minutes ago, Thrive said:

FWIW 

 

We all sort of knew. I don’t like Sileo anymore. Lots of hot takes with zero substance. Him bashing Hurts was super annoying for months

Fact: Hurts has been the full time starter for two years

Fact: He has been injured both years, missing time

Fact: Last year, his ankle injury cost him only game, but significantly hampered him and required surgery after the season

Fact: Missed two games this year, and was affected due to his throwing shoulder being injured

 

Fields, Lamar and Hurts take the most contact of any QBs in the league. All three missed time this year.

I like it, this year he improved mightily in his deep ball placement. Keep on working Jalen!

2 hours ago, Thrive said:

FWIW 

 

The team at least on defense is going to be gutted

I trust Howie on Hurts and the defense he knows what he is doing. Hurts is worth every penny owed that SB performance was awesome minus one mistake.

We can discuss the pending free agents in the other topic, but every team faces this issue when they have to pay their QB.  

The offseason that they had to pay Cox his big contract, everyone freaked out and thought he would be gone.  It went on a while into free agency and Howie was signing other players, and the reason is it was easier to get everyone else signed and then structure the Cox contract based around the salary cap hits each year, decide what should go into a signing bonus or whatever, then to base every other contract around his.  With contracts, Howie knows what he's doing for sure.  

Obviously, not every free agent will remain but that's expected.

4 hours ago, Infam said:

It’s absurd. If there is one QB that is certainly not injury prone, it’s Hurts.

The only thing more absurd was how some people thought Minshew and Hurts were ever on the same level. I mean nothing was more confusing than that terrible take. Those people should just stop posting from the sheer embarrassment from their incredibly stupid take. 😂🤣😂

5 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

The only thing more absurd was how some people thought Minshew and Hurts were ever on the same level. I mean nothing was more confusing than that terrible take. Those people should just stop posting from the sheer embarrassment from their incredibly stupid take. 😂🤣😂

1 hour ago, Joe Shades 73 said:

The team at least on defense is going to be gutted

The better defense lost the SB. Maybe some of these guys need to be gone considering how they played in the 2nd half of the game.

4 hours ago, Infam said:

If Hurts is injury prone for missing two games this season, pretty much every QB ever is injury prone.

How many QBs do you think can last through 20 games without any injury at all? And even if, I’d say he’s just gotten lucky.

Hurts wouldn't have even missed a single game if they were must win games. Our record afforded him an opportunity to rest which he would have done if we had locked up the number 1 seed anyway, regardless of the shoulder strain. People crack me up with their desperation to be right about something on a player they were clearly so wrong about in so many ways.