4 hours ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

That's just not true for most teachers. Most teach not because "they can't", but because they want to teach. And they're willing to work for the wages available to them. 

I will admit my bias is probably towards elementary teachers, as those are the ones I've dealt with most. And likely the ones that work the hardest. Though I envy no teacher that has to work with middle school kids - 13-15 year old kids are quite literally the worst. 

But every teacher my kids' have had clearly loved teaching. They were all intelligent and motivated, many have master's (the one I referenced earlier is going for her PhD). 

I do live in a great district. But I can only speak to my experiences. 

The flip side is the retired teacher who's still on my facebook feed. That dude went full MAGA insane after retiring. Really a sight to see. 

Last year I had one teacher in our feed say "Teachers are the unsung heroes of COVID" because they had to adjust to off site teaching with no notice. 

 

They can't, thus they teach.

Happy tax season 

11 hours ago, paco said:

so they make 2k less than people walking out of college who are going to go off and actually do something AND receive a hefty pension when they retire?

 

Yeah, teachers are way WAY overpaid

I’m not qualified or familiar enough to comment on what teachers should make. I graduated with a 4 year engineer degree and started out making $50k a year. At the time I was on the slightly low end compared to a lot of my other friends and classmates also graduating with engineering degrees. But myself, and them, all had 10 vacation days of our choosing, 5 sick days, and what typically came out to about 8 holidays (New Years Day, Memorial Day, 4th of July, Labor Day, Thanksgiving+Black Friday, Christmas Eve+Christmas Day, New Year’s Eve). I don’t know if NYE was always a day or not (it is where I’ve worked the last 5 years). 
 

Teachers get all those same days off, plus random days like MLK, Presidents’ Day, columbus day, Veterans Day, Good Friday.... a week of spring break, now what seems like a full week in February for "winter break” (something I never had k-12), a few weeks at Christmas, and where I lived, from about June 20th until the Wednesday after Labor Day... so something like 11-12 weeks for summer. 
 

so I was making similar money but working 15 more weeks a year? Hell, I would forfeit $10k a year in my salary today for get 3 additional months off. And while teachers shouldn’t feel obligated to work during the summer, anything they choose to do for those 2.5-3 months adds on top of that $51k or whatever that starting average value was 

11 minutes ago, Agent23 said:

I’m not qualified or familiar enough to comment on what teachers should make. I graduated with a 4 year engineer degree and started out making $50k a year. At the time I was on the slightly low end compared to a lot of my other friends and classmates also graduating with engineering degrees. But myself, and them, all had 10 vacation days of our choosing, 5 sick days, and what typically came out to about 8 holidays (New Years Day, Memorial Day, 4th of July, Labor Day, Thanksgiving+Black Friday, Christmas Eve+Christmas Day, New Year’s Eve). I don’t know if NYE was always a day or not (it is where I’ve worked the last 5 years). 
 

Teachers get all those same days off, plus random days like MLK, Presidents’ Day, columbus day, Veterans Day, Good Friday.... a week of spring break, now what seems like a full week in February for "winter break” (something I never had k-12), a few weeks at Christmas, and where I lived, from about June 20th until the Wednesday after Labor Day... so something like 11-12 weeks for summer. 
 

so I was making similar money but working 15 more weeks a year? Hell, I would forfeit $10k a year in my salary today for get 3 additional months off. And while teachers shouldn’t feel obligated to work during the summer, anything they choose to do for those 2.5-3 months adds on top of that $51k or whatever that starting average value was 

My wife is a teacher and made like $150k last year.  I can also tell you that she works 70-80 hours a week all year round.

9 hours ago, Agent23 said:

I’m not qualified or familiar enough to comment on what teachers should make. I graduated with a 4 year engineer degree and started out making $50k a year. At the time I was on the slightly low end compared to a lot of my other friends and classmates also graduating with engineering degrees. But myself, and them, all had 10 vacation days of our choosing, 5 sick days, and what typically came out to about 8 holidays (New Years Day, Memorial Day, 4th of July, Labor Day, Thanksgiving+Black Friday, Christmas Eve+Christmas Day, New Year’s Eve). I don’t know if NYE was always a day or not (it is where I’ve worked the last 5 years). 
 

Teachers get all those same days off, plus random days like MLK, Presidents’ Day, columbus day, Veterans Day, Good Friday.... a week of spring break, now what seems like a full week in February for "winter break” (something I never had k-12), a few weeks at Christmas, and where I lived, from about June 20th until the Wednesday after Labor Day... so something like 11-12 weeks for summer. 
 

so I was making similar money but working 15 more weeks a year? Hell, I would forfeit $10k a year in my salary today for get 3 additional months off. And while teachers shouldn’t feel obligated to work during the summer, anything they choose to do for those 2.5-3 months adds on top of that $51k or whatever that starting average value was 

most teachers do not start out making $50k/year. they start closer to $35-40k, though it depends heavily on where they land a job. (that's probably true for most professsions)

their salaries are adjusted accordingly. they're paid for the time they work. they don't have "3 months off". they're paid for the 9-10 mos of the year they work. 

and many of those days off you mention during the school year are days off for students, not teachers. many are in-service days. 

weird how it matters now. 

not so much when we were running up deficits so we could cut taxes. 

6 minutes ago, NVeagle said:

The right can't meme.

Also, what's the deal with Republicans obsession with ripped-up dudes?  It's super ghey.

5 minutes ago, VanHammersly said:

The left can't meme.

Also, what's the deal with Democrats obsession with ripped-up dudes?  It's super ghey.

4 years of Putin Trump shirtless memes.  FYP

1 minute ago, NVeagle said:

4 years of Putin Trump shirtless memes.  FYP

Trump's a ripped up dude?

1 hour ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

most teachers do not start out making $50k/year. they start closer to $35-40k, though it depends heavily on where they land a job. (that's probably true for most professsions)

their salaries are adjusted accordingly. they're paid for the time they work. they don't have "3 months off". they're paid for the 9-10 mos of the year they work. 

and many of those days off you mention during the school year are days off for students, not teachers. many are in-service days. 

They aren't teaching kids those days though. I have those "days" too. Its called the week of thanksgiving, and weeks of christmas and new years. My job that normally involves at least150 calls/emails a day will have like 30 total over the 3-day work week. I work those days aka just catch up on tv shows and movies

9 minutes ago, VanHammersly said:

Biden's a ripped up dude?

 

22 minutes ago, NVeagle said:

2017 called, it wants its meme back.

3 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

2009 called, it wants its meme back.

fyp